Talk:Larry Craig

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What a deceitful person. -Wwwknow 21:40, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

What are you suggesting, that he be impeached? Rob Smith 21:50, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

No. The Constitution limits impeachment only for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. And let's be practical: Craig would resign before he's impeached.-Wwwknow 20:37, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

But's only about sex, and there seems to rampant and rabid anti-gay sentiment behind much of this criticism. Rob Smith 20:43, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

It's not only about sex, actually. The real problem with Craig is, I believe, that he keeps lying to the public. I mean, if he's gay he should admit it, simply because there's enough evidence and because he's a public figure, and put an end to this sory. --Whiteflower 10:10, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

If he's gay its none of your business. And who are you to make judgements?Rob Smith 12:55, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
I totally agree with you, Rob! There's nothing wrong with being gay! We should allow homosexuals to live their lives, free from condemnation and persection! I couldn't have said it better myself! Maestro 21:16, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Can we shorten the bathroom incident? Or should we expand on his "I am not gay" comment?

He could have meant:

  1. I didn't stare through the door or tap with my foot at all. The whole thing is a false report by the cop.
  2. I was soliciting male-on-male sex, but my "sexual identity" is neither homosexual nor bisexual.

Many men who have sex with other men make a big deal out of denying their homosexuality. This seems to be based on a sharp distinction between homosexual behavior, i.e., two males being sexual together, and homosexual identity. I'm not sure why this matters. --Ed Poor Talk 12:33, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

We have the Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style#What_Not_To_Include_In_Articles which prohibits gossip and outing by blackmail. Perhaps we need to include innuendo. True, Craig plead guilty rather than no contest to a disorderly conduct, but no homosexual act was involved in this case, according to any police report. This again is like the Mark Foley case, no homosexual act is involved, and Craig specifically denies being gay. I think we may have to include the word "innunedo" in the guideline, under a presumption of innocence clause. Rob Smith 13:59, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
I believe the "I am not gay" speech being quoted there is a response to an earlier accusation of gay flirting, and not to the bathroom incident.... Craig made a different speech there, and the details were different. He has acknowledged that he put his suitcase so as to block the door to his stall (really, where else are you going to put a suitcase in a tiny stall, you want it as far from the waterworks as possible), and that he may have accidentally tapped his foot and brushed up against the other person's foot due to his wide stance, and that he may have passed his hand under the stall to pick up a piece of paper.... I think the more significant thing coming out of this whole incidence is that it uncovers the activities of certain homosexuals, who do in fact go to public restrooms, make various signals to "cruise" for other homosexuals, and then engage in sex acts there in the restroom.... we don't tolerate that in public places between a man and a women, or even between two women, so why should we tolerate it when men do it? Pandeism 16:07, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

Ending His Term, November[edit]

Is that phrase accurate? Reason I ask is that it was added by someone later blocked for "silliness". ATang 12:44, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Who knows? I only go by what I read in the press. Here what appeared in Forbes magazine:
  • Minutes after he was arrested for lewd conduct, Sen. Larry Craig denied soliciting an undercover officer for sex in a men's bathroom and pleaded, "I'm not gay. I don't do these kinds of things." [1]
I don't think Forbes would print a remark out of silliness. --Ed Poor Talk 13:02, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
Oh no, I meant the sentence Whiteflower added: "He will end his term in November 2008." Whiteflower was blocked later for "silliness", and I haven't found anything on the web that reflects a resignation or termination date. ATang 13:06, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
Well, the article is unprotected, so please fix any mistakes you see. --Ed Poor Talk 14:32, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Fact Template[edit]

I added the fact template to the following statement: "Given a choice of immediately going to jail to process a plea of innocence, Craig pled guilty so he could finish his final flight home." Personally, I haven't seen any news report that has indicated this, but obviously I don't see every news piece out there, so I'd appreciate if someone could back up that statement. All I've found is that Craig entered his plea in August, so I don't see how his pleading either guilty or innocent would have influenced the possibility of missing his next flight. The source I linked to above says that Craig wanted to keep this arrest quiet so as to not give the Idaho Statesman more ammunition (which agrees with the next sentence in the article, "He had hoped to keep the arrest quiet..."), but I can't find anything that says he pled guilty just to make his next flight. Jinkas 13:27, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Read the transcript.
(NN) INTERVIEW WITH Larry Craig (LC) Case 07002008
Larry Craig: Am I gonna have to fight you in court?
Dave Karsnia: No. No. I'm not gonna go to court unless you want me there.
LC: Cause I don't want to be in court either.
DK: Ok. I don't either.
(inaudible) DK: Urn, here's the way it works, urn, you'll you'll be released today, okay.
LC: Okay.
DK: All right. I, I know I can bring you to jail, but that's not my goal here, okay? (inaudible)
LC: Don't do that. You You
DK: I'm not going to bring you to jail
LC: You solicited me.
DK: Okay. We're going to get, We're going to get into that. (inaudible)
LC: Okay.
DK: But there's the, there there's two ways, yes. You can, you can, ah, you can go to court. You can plead guilty.
LC: Yep.
DK: There'll be a fine. You won't have to explain anything. (inaudible) I know.
LC: Right.
DK: And you'll pay a fine, you be (inaudible), done. Or if you want to plead not guilty, ah, and I, I can't make these decisions for you.
LC: No, no. Just tell me where I am (inaudible) I need to make this flight.

Rob Smith 13:36, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

I removed the bit about how he pled guilty so he could make his flight home. That's not how it works. The plea is not entered until later at trial. He couldn't enter a plea with the officers. he wouldn't even discuss it with them. That would be the prosecutor's job. Anyway, the police indicate that he is not going to be held for the misdemeanors, but will be released and must either appear in court later or (what Craig actually does) enter a plea by mail. Traditional Conservative 21:46, 9 September 2007 (EDT)