Talk:Mallard Fillmore

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The comic has created several controversies, one of which involved showing a clearly anti-semitic caricature of a stereotypical Jew. It was a reference to the stereotype that Hollywood is run by Jews. [1]

We resolve to relive all our childhoods
With programs that we think are cool
With scripts that abound
With stuff once only found
On the bathroom walls in middle school

I don't see the anti-semitism of this. If it *is* there, it's drowned out by the anti-smut message. --Ed Poor 13:51, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

  • As it happens, I do see anti-semitism in it. is in the physical caricature, not the words. Actually the target seems to me to be bathroom humor, not smut per se... but in any case there is to my mind a clear suggestion that "Jews are promoting vulgarity." But with regard to inclusion in the article, the question is whether this cartoon indeed "created a controversy" and, if so, whether it was an important controversy. Dpbsmith 14:02, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

the myth that Hollywood is run by Jews

I'm softening this to "stereotype," because the word "Hollywood" is frequently associated with the heyday of the "studio system," roughly 1920 through 1950, a period during which I think it is literally true that the studio heads (the "moguls") were predominantly Jewish, mostly Jewish immigrants. Certainly Goldwyn, the Warner brothers, Mayer, Zukor, and Columbia's Harry Cohn were. About the only obvious exceptions I can think of were Walt Disney and Twentieth-Century Fox's Darryl F. Zanuck. Dpbsmith 13:56, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Aside from Adam Sandler, I can't think of any Jews who are promoting vulgarity any more than WASP's are. But I have heard that Hollywood has a disproportionately large percentage of Jewish producers. And wasn't William Shatner Jewish? I see an article in the offing, to be called Jews in Hollywood (or something a little more low-key). --Ed Poor 14:47, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

I'd hardly call Shatner a representative producer. Czolgolz 15:20, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm saying I believe it to be true that Jews were disproportionately important in the movie industry from, say, 1920 to 1950. A stereotype isn't necessarily untrue. That's why I changed the word from "myth," because I don't think it was a myth. The years in which they, well, ran Hollywood are, however, precisely the years of the Hays office and the production code, when what can only be called censorship was in full force, when movie bathrooms did not contain toilets and married couples' bedrooms always had twin beds, and, no matter what, crime did not pay. Dpbsmith 19:09, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

DUI? So what?

I'm snipping

On December 4, 2006, Bruce Tinsley was arrested in Florida for driving under the influence.[1]

Even though it's true and referenced, it seems unimportant; there's no obvious reason to mention it except to insert unflattering information about Tinsley. Dpbsmith 19:10, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

As opposed to the unflattering info about Kerry, Clinton, and other liberals. Czolgolz 20:00, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Checking the John F. Kerry article, it's certainly an unencyclopedic, biased hatchet job, but it seems to me that the dubious material in it is relevant. Kerry made a big point of his military service in his campaign, so the statement that "Some of Kerry's fellow soldiers believe his wounds were self-inflicted" is relevant.
If one of Mallard Fillmore stances was opposition to alcohol, then TInsley's DUI conviction would be relevant. As it is, it seems to me to fall into the heading of his personal life, with nothing to do with his comic strip. Dpbsmith 21:26, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


  1. Outside the Beltway