Talk:Meiji Restoration

Can one of the Powers That Be please amend the spamblocker so I can add “F-u-k-o-k-u Kyohei” as the Romaji translation of "富国挙兵 - enrich the country and strengthen the military". It doesn't seem to like the first syllable. Thanks Welshman 08:43, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

How much of this was copied from the Columbia Encyclopedia? [1] --Ed Poor ^Talk 08:45, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Actually none - I cited my sources at the end of the article. Do you want it or don't you? Welshman 08:56, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmmmm. Your text:

• The intrusion of Western powers, particularly the Americans under Admiral Matthew C. Perry, precipitated further discontent. Under pressure, the Tokugawa shogunate submitted in 1854 to foreign demands and signed treaties that ended Japan's isolation.
• The powerful Choshu and Satsuma domains of Western Japan tried to resist the foreigners on their own and were finally defeated in 1863. These domains, excluded from the Tokugawa governing councils because of their status as tozama, or outside daimyo, then demanded creation of a new government loyal to the emperor to expel the foreigners. In January 1868, Samurai from these domains, with the support of anti-Tokugawa court nobles, succeeded in a palace coup that abolished the shogunate and “returned” power to the emperor. The court was moved from Kyoto to Edo (later renamed Tokyo, meaning Eastern Capital), where a centralized administration was created.

From Columbia encyclopedia:

• The intrusion of Western powers, particularly the Americans under Admiral Matthew C. Perry , precipitated further discontent. Under pressure, the Tokugawa shogunate submitted (1854) to foreign demands and signed treaties that ended Japan's isolation.
• The powerful Choshu and Satsuma domains of W Japan tried to resist the foreigners on their own and were defeated (1863). These domains, excluded from the Tokugawa governing councils because of their status as tozama, or outside daimyo , then demanded creation of a new government loyal to the emperor to expel the foreigners. In Jan., 1868, samurai from these domains, with the support of anti-Tokugawa court nobles, succeeded in a palace coup that abolished the shogunate and "returned" power to the emperor. The court was moved from Kyoto to Tokyo, where a centralized administration was created.

Apart from the odd bit here and there, the two are identical. And I haven't checked the whole article.

Philip J. Rayment 09:05, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Well, all I can say is that I don't own a Columbia Encyclopedia, nor have I looked at one and just maybe they used the same sources I did. Hopefully somebody else can rewrite it one day. Welshman 09:16, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Even if that's true (and it could be), that's an admission that you copied it! Copying is only allowed if it's from a public domain source or with the permission of the copyright holder, and in those cases only with acknowledgement. None of your references appear to be likely to be public domain, and there was no statement about it being copied from anywhere. Therefore, your excuse doesn't excuse you. But having removed the content of the page, we'll let it go at that. Are any of your other contributions copied? If so, now's the time to say so. Philip J. Rayment 09:25, 15 March 2008 (EDT)