Talk:Native American

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"crossing the Bering land bridge sometime after the Great Flood."

Sorry, but that italic part should read "anywhere from 15,000 to up to 60,000 years ago"

It had to happen during an Ice Age, where, ironically, my edit stating that none have ever occurred (since they were all pre-Creation), was removed.

Feel free to also state the "fact" that YEC's think it happened post-4004 BC or so. Human 21:37, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

This page should be renamed to "American Indian". A native American is anyone who was born to Americans in America. RSchlafly 13:37, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Native American is the term applied to those inhabitants of the New World before the arrival of Columbus and their descendants per the US Census, BIA, and many other government agencies, along with the anthropology and history departments of universities across America. Many modern Native American groups are moving away from the use of the term Indian, as it is a name given to them by Europeans, and is not self-referent. Prof0705 13:51, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

All those people use the term "Indian" just as commonly. The term "American" is also European in origin. Perhaps the article could explain that some people have an ideological reason for preferring a particular term. RSchlafly 14:36, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Only in an archaic sense does it apply to non-Indians--Davyjones 14:17, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Not true. It is hard to find anyone who says that it is incorrect. What is out-of-date is the trend to switch from Indian to Native American. RSchlafly 14:28, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

DO you have a source?--Davyjones 14:31, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Are you doubting that a native American can be someone who is native to America? RSchlafly 14:53, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
I see from your edit that you want to say that native-born Americans can't be called native Americans anymore. That is just not true. Also, there is dispute about who the aboriginal people were, so "native American" certainly cannot be defined by them. RSchlafly 15:55, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Does this mean that anyone born in the Americas is a Native American? It does not matter if they are from Chile, the U.S. or Canada?--Lobo 13:10, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

That point is addressed on the American page. RSchlafly 14:37, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

RSchlafly and I have been discussing some related ideas on the [[American Indian] talk page. In doing a bit of digging for that conversation, I came across the following Usage Note from the American Heritage dictionary that seems to address much of what is being discussed here. --Hsmom 13:33, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Native American n. A member of any of the indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere. The ancestors of the Native Americans are generally considered by scientists to have entered the Americas from Asia by way of the Bering Strait sometime during the late glacial epoch. Native American adj.
Usage Note: Many Americans have come to prefer Native American over Indian both as a term of respect and as a corrective to the famous misnomer bestowed on the peoples of the Americas by a geographically befuddled Columbus. There are solid arguments for this preference. Native American eliminates any confusion between indigenous American peoples and the inhabitants of India, making it the clear choice in many official contexts. It is also historically accurate, despite the insistence by some that Indians are no more native to America than anyone else since their ancestors are assumed to have migrated here from Asia. But one sense of native is "being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place," and Native Americans' claim to being the original inhabitants of the Americas is unchallenged. · Accuracy and precision aside, however, the choice between these two terms is often made as a matter of principle. For many, Native American is the only choice for expressing respect toward America's indigenous peoples; Indian is seen as wrong and offensive. For others, the former smacks of bureaucracy and the manipulation of language for political purposes while the latter is the natural English term, its inaptness made irrelevant by long use. Fortunately, this controversy appears to have subsided somewhat in recent years, and it is now common to find the two terms used interchangeably in the same piece of writing. Furthermore, the issue has never been particularly divisive between Indians and non-Indians. While generally welcoming the respectful tone of Native American, most Indian writers have continued to use the older name at least as often as the newer one. · Native American and Indian are not exact equivalents when referring to the aboriginal peoples of Canada and Alaska. Native American, the broader term, is properly used of all such peoples, whereas Indian is customarily used of the northern Athabaskan and Algonquian peoples in contrast to the Eskimos, Inuits, and Aleuts. Alaska Native (or less commonly Native Alaskan) is also properly used of all indigenous peoples residing in Alaska. See Usage Notes at American Indian, First Nation, Indian. [1]

References

  1. "native american." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. 28 May. 2007. <Dictionary.com [1]>