PJR, I didn't understand your edit. How would pterosaurs bones have got into Mesozoic rocks if they hadn't lived in the Mesozoic Era? JimBob61 17:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
- The statement presumes the evolutionary dogma that the different rock layers represent periods of time rather than simply an order of being laid down. The creationary view is that most of the rock layers were laid down during Noah's flood. The evidence is that those particular layers contain pterosaur bones. The evolutionary explanation is that this is because pterosaurs lived during the 180 millions years over which they believe those layers were laid down. The creationary explanation is that the pterosaurs were buried during this stage of the flood. My wording stuck to the agreed facts that they were buried in those rocks, whilst avoiding evolutionary bias of claiming that they lived during that supposed era. Philip J. Rayment 02:12, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
- Recent geological evidence (last 10 years), including fossils, is consistent with the Black Sea area being flooded by an inrush of water which broke through what is now the Bosphorus about 7600BP. This flooded the land surrounding the Black Sea, the surface of which was previously several tens / a few hundreds of metres below oceanic level (I forget exactly how far). The Black Sea was an important area for early Neolithic culture. The geological evidence of the flood is consistent in many respects with the legends of Noah, Gilgamesh, Manu, etc, and it has been proposed that dispersal of farmers from the Black Sea area following the flood would account for the widespread appearance of similar legends of a dramatic flood in many Eurasian cultures. But how does the Noah/Gilgamesh/Manu flood account for "burying" of Mesozoic fossils in Africa, America, China, etc? If you're asserting that the whole world was covered with water to a depth of hundreds of metres, where's that water now? JimBob61 10:19, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
- And what you call "evolutionary bias" - do you mean scientists forming hypotheses and challenging others to find evidence which disproves them? That's an objective process. JimBob61 10:19, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
- The Black Sea flood is not consistent with the accounts of Noah, etc. Those accounts have the entire world being flooded, for one thing. And if dispersal of farmers accounts for the accounts in Eurasian cultures, what about the accounts not in Eurasian cultures? See here for more. Where's the water now? Right where you see it, mostly in the oceans. The biblical record mentions that during the flood, the mountains rose up and the valleys sank down. In other words, prior to and during most of the flood, the surface of the globe was much flatter, which means that the water that is still around today is quite enough to cover the mountains of the pre-flood Earth. If you level the surface of the Earth out totally, there is enough water to cover it to a depth of about 2,700 metres, so covering the Earth to a depth of seven metres (Genesis 7:20 ) above the highest then-existing mountain is well within the bounds of possibility.
- "Evolutionary bias" is putting the evolutionary viewpoint as though it is correct. Philip J. Rayment 22:35, 10 May 2008 (EDT)