User talk:Jaguar

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the largest body of inland water on the west coast of the United States

What did you mean by that? --Ed Poor Talk 14:10, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Exactly what I say. You have a point about Great Salt Lake, but that is not on the west coast, in the most strict definition of the term. Though it is, certainly, in the western United States. The west coast, being the coastline, incorporates Puget Sound but not Salt Lake. The only rival in the US to Puget Sound, I believe, is San Francisco Bay, which is smaller. I see how it can be a bit confusing, and I have no problem with that statement being removed. But please do understand I am not intentionally being misleading or confusing. Jaguar 21:29, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Don't be so defensive, I was just asking. By the way, how is inland water defined? --Ed Poor Talk 22:59, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
I was going by waters one can navigate with an inland license (a quick google search gave me this site for some verification). The Coast Guard has buoys set, beyond which one needs a near-coastal (or ocean) license to serve as master of a commercial vessel. Looking into it a bit more, this might not be the best definition, geographically speaking. There is probably a better term to be used, I suppose. Maybe just "bay" (it's called a sound, but that's not really the right word, actually). Oh well, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Jaguar 23:24, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
Here is a writing plan for you: Create an Inland water article, using the definition you created above. --Ed Poor Talk 06:55, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Writing plan, eh? Okay. Here's the issue, I admit that the definition I was using was not the most useful in this context, and might only be applicable to a rather obscure and narrow section of the population (masters with commercial licenses from the coast guard). While it is a technical definition, I don't think it is the most useful, and probably shouldn't be the one exclusively used in an article on that title. Had I thought about it a bit more when writing the article, I should have just said "inlet". How about I write an inlet article, and mention the inland master's license within that? I think it would be more useful that way. What do you think? Jaguar 13:55, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Write it as "inland water", distinguishing it from landlocked bodies of water such as lakes. Compare it to bays like the Hudson Bay up in Canada, as well as the Great Lakes. Or are the Great Lakes inland waters? Then I'll 'move' the article to inlet. --Ed Poor Talk 23:24, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Landlocked bodies of water are inland waters, that should be pretty obvious, I would think. But inland waters, in terms of what a master's license will allow one to navigate, include other bodies of water which have major outlets to the sea, such as bays, rivers, etc. The point, from the coast guard's perspective, is that before one is allowed to command a ship traveling across the Pacific, they should get experience in safer waters which are sheltered and closer to shore. That explains the 3 types of tickets (as they are often referred): inland, near coastal (up to 200 miles from shore, if I recall) and ocean (anywhere). Again, these are slightly esoteric definitions, which is why I wonder if they're the best way to present this information when we don't even have articles on bays, inlets, mariners, master's license, coasts, and other much more important terms which really should be addressed before we get into things that aren't even covered much in Wikipedia, with their 2 million articles. Seems to be putting the cart before the horse, if you ask me. In any case, I clearly cannot write an article explaining the differences between inland waters and lakes when lakes are inland waters. This is why I think it best to write an inlet article first, since that's the term I should have used in the first place. And please keep in mind I'm not expert on any of this. I don't have any master's license, but have worked beneath people who did, and got an object lesson in some of this when a voyage was almost delayed because the new mate did not have the license we thought he did. Those are my thoughts, anyway. Jaguar 00:06, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

One of my favorite songs mentions "hidden inlets", so please write about Inlets. Thanks. --Ed Poor Talk 11:19, 29 May 2008 (EDT)