Difference between revisions of "Talk:Debate:Is Rap music torture?"
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::::::So confronted with the fact that the source you've cited says exactly what you were earlier denying it had said, you're now questioning your own source? If you had doubts, why did you use it? --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 16:07, 27 April 2007 (EDT) | ::::::So confronted with the fact that the source you've cited says exactly what you were earlier denying it had said, you're now questioning your own source? If you had doubts, why did you use it? --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 16:07, 27 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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- Then you'd probably find Sozhenitsyn's chapter on torture in the Gulag Archipelago a real laff riot. --PF Fox 20:32, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Depends on the listener. One man's meat is another man's poison, etc...--Fingermouse 20:33, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- It's not about rap. It's about sleep deprivation. --PF Fox 20:38, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- Use any loud music to keep someone awake for over a certain amount of time and yes, it can be torture. I listen to foriegn music too -- but not turned up at top volume while I'm forced to stand hours, wondering if I'm going to be beaten, or if the screams I'm hearing in the next room over the music are my sister or daughter being abused. --PF Fox 20:46, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- No, that's not really what it says. It cites the use of some Rap music as an example of a method of sleep deprivation. That's not the same as saying rap itself is a torture. --PF Fox 20:56, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- Says nothing about being loud, or being deprived of sleep, or having to stand. All it says is it's Eminem. I agree, we should not impugn artists like Snoop Dog or Tu Pak by making the unsourced assertion that Rap music is torture; but do unlawful combatants have the protection of the Geneva Convention from being subjected to Eminem? And why are unnamed whistleblowers so concerned about the image of the CIA, as well as ABC News, that they feel the need to alert an unsuspecting public. Curiously, Not In Our Name is silent on these horrors. RobS 21:00, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- It most certainly does say something about sleep deprivation: "They would not let you rest, day or night. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Don't sleep. Don't lie on the floor," one prisoner said through a translator. The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said." --PF Fox 21:05, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- Hmmmm, interesting; "one prisoner said through a translator". What is the source of this information? RobS 21:07, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- Your own cite. --PF Fox 21:08, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- The question is to ABC News, What is the source of this information? RobS 21:30, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
- So confronted with the fact that the source you've cited says exactly what you were earlier denying it had said, you're now questioning your own source? If you had doubts, why did you use it? --PF Fox 16:07, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
Most rap is torture independent of the setting used here. I like Kanye West and OutKast, though. DanH 16:08, 27 April 2007 (EDT)