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::::::::The Pentecostal article below is a rebuttal of your position, and is presented here as my response. Jesus saved many people without their faith. That includes babies, Old Testament saints

::::::::The Pentecostal article below is a rebuttal of your position, and is presented here as my response. Jesus saved many people without their faith. That includes babies, Old Testament saints

::::::::"''Here, scholars, church teaching, and church tradition can't help you.''" Devout scholars, church teaching, and church tradition do help. But you refuse to accept it (John 10:25-26). Your refusal is a clear example of classic [[Confirmation bias]]. All of the centuries-old consistent understanding of the Bible by all of Christendom ''based on the Bible'' is held in contempt by you. Even when presented with an abundance of scripture alone which demolishes the house of credobaptist doctrine as clearly opposed to the Bible, you reject it. [http://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew/23-38.htm Matthew 23:38]. I had thought that you were a person of honest Christian integrity dedicated to the truth of the Bible. From the way you worded some of your answers I believe that you actually refused ''on principle'' to read the authoritative Bible texts and sources linked for immediate access which contradict credobaptism. Look at the article on [[Enmity]]. <br> Some of the people who read this page when I showed it to them said you were being sarcastic, and are someone who always has to have to have the "last word" no matter what is said. They told me I was wasting all my time and energy on this page in a pointless exercise of unending futility. They said if you ever change your mind, it won't be because of me. They said just leave it to the Lord and he will deal with you. <br> I have been patient with you, and firm. I am also grateful. Because of your challenges I have carefully re-read the Bible like the long-ago Beroeans of Acts 17:11, and the fruit of all this is that I have gained a much deeper insight to what it was like for Jesus to debate with the scribes and Sadducees and Pharisees who refused to listen to him even when he cited the scriptures. The result of this research was the abundance of Bible texts cited in context which clearly support the doctrine of regenerative baptism against credobaptism. I had constant recourse to [[Strong's|Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with its Hebrew and Greek dictionaries of the Old and New Testaments]]. I will have no more to do with you, as Paul advised [http://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew/23-38.htm Titus 3:10]. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::::"''Here, scholars, church teaching, and church tradition can't help you.''" Devout scholars, church teaching, and church tradition do help. But you refuse to accept it (John 10:25-26). Your refusal is a clear example of classic [[Confirmation bias]]. All of the centuries-old consistent understanding of the Bible by all of Christendom ''based on the Bible'' is held in contempt by you. Even when presented with an abundance of scripture alone which demolishes the house of credobaptist doctrine as clearly opposed to the Bible, you reject it. [http://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew/23-38.htm Matthew 23:38]. I had thought that you were a person of honest Christian integrity dedicated to the truth of the Bible. From the way you worded some of your answers I believe that you actually refused ''on principle'' to read the authoritative Bible texts and sources linked for immediate access which contradict credobaptism. Look at the article on [[Enmity]]. <br> Some of the people who read this page when I showed it to them said you were being sarcastic, and are someone who always has to have to have the "last word" no matter what is said. They told me I was wasting all my time and energy on this page in a pointless exercise of unending futility. They said if you ever change your mind, it won't be because of me. They said just leave it to the Lord and he will deal with you. <br> I have been patient with you, and firm. I am also grateful. Because of your challenges I have carefully re-read the Bible like the long-ago Beroeans of Acts 17:11, and the fruit of all this is that I have gained a much deeper insight to what it was like for Jesus to debate with the scribes and Sadducees and Pharisees who refused to listen to him even when he cited the scriptures. The result of this research was the abundance of Bible texts cited in context which clearly support the doctrine of regenerative baptism against credobaptism. I had constant recourse to [[Strong's|Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with its Hebrew and Greek dictionaries of the Old and New Testaments]]. I will have no more to do with you, as Paul advised [http://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus/3-10.htm Titus 3:10]. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::::::So, I'm taking your response to mean (a) the bible has contradictions, and (b) the bible ''is not'' inviolate.

:::::::::So, I'm taking your response to mean (a) the bible has contradictions, and (b) the bible ''is not'' inviolate.

:::::::::Is that correct? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

:::::::::Is that correct? I don't want to put words in your mouth.