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→Let Us Reason Ministries - a Pentecostal refutation of sola fide - "Did Jesus or the apostles heal everyone because of their faith?"
:::::::I think you nailed it right there, which you've said twice now. Are you accepting Christ's teaching or Church teaching? Are you looking to Christ for salvation or membership in a body? Sorry to dig in so personal, but churches, church membership, and church teaching do not save. Only Christ saves. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:38, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I think you nailed it right there, which you've said twice now. Are you accepting Christ's teaching or Church teaching? Are you looking to Christ for salvation or membership in a body? Sorry to dig in so personal, but churches, church membership, and church teaching do not save. Only Christ saves. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:38, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Both. Christ's teaching is Church Teaching, and Church Teaching is Christ's Teaching. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:27, 3 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::Both. Christ's teaching is Church Teaching, and Church Teaching is Christ's Teaching. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:27, 3 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::It takes faith to make a statement like that - faith in the church, not faith in God.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:11, 3 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::Where does the Bible say that the Church does not save? --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:50, 3 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::Where does the Bible say that the Church does not save? --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:50, 3 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::Numerous places. Now most people would begin with Acts 4:12, or reiterate over and over again, ''Only Jesus Only Jesus''. but I'm going to ask, were any of the 7 Churches in Asia in the Book of Revelation made whole and complete, as the scripture promised? Secondly, Look at yourself - by your very question you are asking if salvation can be found in man, and not in Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:07, 3 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::Numerous places. Now most people would begin with Acts 4:12, or reiterate over and over again, ''Only Jesus Only Jesus''. but I'm going to ask, were any of the 7 Churches in Asia in the Book of Revelation made whole and complete, as the scripture promised? Secondly, Look at yourself - by your very question you are asking if salvation can be found in man, and not in Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:07, 3 November 2019 (EST)