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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 11:45, August 7, 2020
, 11:45, August 7, 2020→Refutation: 1 Peter 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:20 do not support Roman Catholic Magisterium
::'''καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ''' The Greek emphasis is on '''ΤΑΎΤῌ ταύτῃ''', which points to Peter (not to Jesus, as Augustine would have us suppose), and to be understood thus: '''on no other than on this rock'''. —''retrieved from'' '''https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/16-18.htm'''<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 05:56, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
::'''καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ''' The Greek emphasis is on '''ΤΑΎΤῌ ταύτῃ''', which points to Peter (not to Jesus, as Augustine would have us suppose), and to be understood thus: '''on no other than on this rock'''. —''retrieved from'' '''https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/16-18.htm'''<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 05:56, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
::In 1 Corinthians 3:10 '''Paul''' says that '''he''' is the one who laid the foundation: "According to the commission of God given to me, like a skilled '''master builder I laid a foundation''', and another man is building upon it." ''But in the next verse he says'', "For no other foundation can any man lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus." This is true! But a literalist would see in these two verses an absolute contradiction. Consider this: no man can lay the foundation of the church Jesus built; only God can lay the foundation, and Jesus is God ''and'' man. ''But Revelation says there are "twelve foundations"'', not "''one''". A literalist would see in these two statements an absolute contradiction in the Bible: ''how can there be twelve when there is only one?'' The '''twelve foundations''' of the new Jerusalem are not laid by man (human beings) but are laid only by God and man. A literalist would see in the one foundation and the twelve foundations a contradiction. The foundation of the apostles and prophets is laid by God the Spirit: "because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men '''moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God'''." 2 Peter 1:21. The rock of salvation laid a foundation of rock that is twelve foundations chosen. The first was Peter. One of them was "a devil" John 6:70-71. But this did not invalidate the word of the Lord. Afterward, the Eleven, led by Peter, chose another, guided by God: Matthias. The apostolic office was empty but then a successor was chosen by lot, just as the apostolic office of Peter vacated by death is filled by lots cast by the elders of the church from that day to this. The foundation of the twelve foundations of the church was built by the foundation (''the same foundation that Paul laid, which is Christ Jesus''), and laid by Him on a foundation of '''a rock-''Petros''''', the first of twelve foundations He laid, and was built up into a house of living stones by the living stone as a dwelling-place of God in the Spirit, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. There is no contradiction. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:45, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
==Scripture has authority over the Roman church==
==Scripture has authority over the Roman church==