Talk:Rapture

It seems that suggesting that the Pope may be the fulfillment of the condition that The Antichrist must be walking the earth in human form is unacceptable but it is OK to suggest the Euro fulfills the condition that The countries of the world must have the same currency and that the United Nations may be considered as One World Government, like the Revelation 7th beast. Surely they are equally daft and shouldn't be here either?

"These things also belong to the wise: It is not good to show partiality in judgment." (Proverbs 24:23)

Equating the Pope (Or the Catholic church) with the Antichrist is not a new idea. Protestants have been doing it for a very long time, and it's got quite a following with the fans of end-time prophercy - it fits in nicely with their idea of the Antichrist imposing a false religion, with the added irony of perverting Christ's own teaching to do so. As for the global currency... it isn't yet. But given that consolidating currencies is easier than creating a new one, it may be unified one day in future. And on World Government... the UN isn't that powerful. This would suggest the conditions arn't right yet, but could be in another fifty or more years. NewCrusader 13:32, 12 November 2008 (EST)

BillyBoy 06:27, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree. Potty. That's why I insisted on attributing the ideas to 'some evangelical commentators' rather than, as the way of it is around here, to 'Christians'! --Petrus 08:35, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Oy a bruch!

Give me a break! The United Nations can't even agree that the Sudanese are practicing genocide in Darfur, let alone a single world government and currency. Teresita 01:21, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Speaking as how a lot of you guys believe in YEC, we have been waiting for Jesus to return for 1/3 of all existence.

How does that fit with Matt. 16:28, Luke 9:27, Matt. 23:36, Mark 9:1, Luke 21:32, 1 Corinth. 7:29, Hebrews 1:2, 1 Peter 4:7, 1 John 2:18, Revelation 1:1, Revelation 3:11, etc.?

The NT makes it pretty clear that it's going to be "soon" according to the time of the authors. 2,000 years is not soon, especially if you consider the Earth to be 6,000 years old. Muchodelcrazy 22:10, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

There's also the fact that certain aspects of the Rapture, particularly the bit about God basically causing the light sinners (can't really say sinless since there's literally only two people in existence who are truly sinless: the Virgin Mary, and his own son) to ascend to Heaven in an instant while the moderate to heavy sinners remain, that implicitly depicted God in a significantly more callous light (in fact, so callous he actually comes across as being about as bad as Satan, which is a terrible thought to imagine). Let's suppose, for example, that using that theory regarding God's chosen, that one of God's chosen was, say, an airline pilot, like one of the main protagonists from Left Behind for example. He turned out to be one of God's chosen, and God whisked him away while the plane was mid-flight (his co-pilot as well since he or she was also one of God's chosen), while the rest of the passengers weren't his chosen. Oh, and said plane is about to pass over a field, a volcano, or, worse, a nuclear power plant and the plane due to it being made unmanned ends up descending at a dangerous velocity and crashes, killing all on-board. That would essentially mean God's whisking away of his chosen ends up making him DIRECTLY responsible for a major disaster that befell the plane due to deciding to whisk them away, making him at best guilty of manslaughter and at worst a mass-murderer, even moreso since his omniscience had him know full well precisely what would result of that. That's one reason I simply cannot believe in the rapture, it makes God seem too much like a huge monster from that (and I've already got enough complex issues with God I need to sort out as it is). Pokeria1 (talk) 06:13, March 2, 2022 (EST)

Timing

Shouldn't we at least quote Mark 13:32? ~ JonG ~ 17:43, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Restructuring the article

With all the news about Harold Camping, I decided to visit the CP page about the Rapture. After reading it, I noticed a few things: (1) Three independent lead-in paragraphs, (2) an intro section that is far longer than the remainder of the article, and (3) a lack of flow from one thought to another. Because of this, I have tried to restructure the article with better subheadings. I haven't changed the content too much but I believe the article deserves a better arrangement of ideas than what existed before. And JonG, yes, I have added a brief reference as well. Michael4 00:42, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

Still too many lead-in paragraphs. The biggest problem is that the entire article is written from a post-tribulation or pre-wrath perspective. There needs to be less bias in the lead-in and sections for Pre-Trib pro and con and Pre-wrath/post-trib pro and con. Olec 17:37 21 March 2017 (EDT)