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#:::::::Gorbachev opened up the USSR and it led to criticism of the system. And again, you have not addressed my point: what action(s) taken by you are preventing Karajou and/or Conservative from blocking me for criticising you? And know this: I am not trying to attack you. Your heart is in the right place. I am merely expressing the viewpoint that you need to be a regular editor while you learn how to be a net-positive to this wiki. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 23:27, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

#::::::::I'm not getting into our internal politics. Why haven't you taken the pledge to edit in [[good faith]]? All you've done here is cite a bunch of second and third hand hearsay, and don't have a personnel grievance yourself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:39, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::::::What do you find objectional about this language, and what would you propose to improve it:

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#::::::::What do you find objectional about this language, and what would you propose to improve it: "We the undersigned editors at '''Team CP''' pledge to work cooperatively with other signees as a cooperative editor to produce content for [[Conservapedia]] under the [[Conservapedia:Commandments]] and [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]]. We pledge to treat other editors with dignity and respect, and not engage in ceaseless acts of incivility, [[edit war]]ring, and [[trolling]], etc. We pledge to make, good, well researched content for Conservapedia readers. We pledge to work together as cooperative editors, and not engage in unnecessary, senseless trivial disputes, personality clashes, carry grudges, and to work for a spirit of cooperation among editors."

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~~{{quotebox-float|~~We the undersigned editors at '''Team CP''' pledge to work cooperatively with other signees as a cooperative editor to produce content for [[Conservapedia]] under the [[Conservapedia:Commandments]] and [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]]. We pledge to treat other editors with dignity and respect, and not engage in ceaseless acts of incivility, [[edit war]]ring, and [[trolling]], etc. We pledge to make, good, well researched content for Conservapedia readers. We pledge to work together as cooperative editors, and not engage in unnecessary, senseless trivial disputes, personality clashes, carry grudges, and to work for a spirit of cooperation among editors.}}

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#:::::::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:42, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:42, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

#::::::::::My personal grievance is it is destroying this website. And I ask that you withdraw your comment "Don't I get credit for stopping that?" if you are unwilling or unable to back it up with sources. And I strongly object to the line "We the undersigned editors at '''Team CP''' pledge to work cooperatively ''with other signees''" (bold in original, italics mine). At a wiki, you work cooperatively with ''everyone'', even if they don't particularly want to work cooperatively with you. That is a basic tenant of editing that anyone with SkipCaptcha should know, let alone an admin. I would also consider asking Andy why he has not signed your pledge if you want to know why people have not signed it. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 23:53, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

#::::::::::::I don't need to, cause I did. I don't block on sight editors such as yourself who engage in the type of conduct you are engaging in right now - that's one of my reforms. You have no personnel grievance, yet are soliciting a conspiracy against another editor. That's [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:59, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

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#:Another complaint: RobSmith has reverted me with no comment when I remove unattributed quotes. See: [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bucha_massacre&diff=1992526&oldid=1992463]. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 11:00, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

#::He has now re-added the material, this time with a source. Just one problem: '''''the source does not support the given assertion'''''. That is an egregious violation of [[academic integrity]]. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 11:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

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#'''Agree with motion of no confidence.''' [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:45, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

#'''Absolutely agreed without a doubt. Remove RobSmith's “Administrator” tag ASAP.''' —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Tuesday, 21:38, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::::Although I was recently delighted to obtain the book ''Alice in Wonderland'' in both text and audio, I generally prefer nonfiction over fiction. So I don't go down the rabbit holes of RobSmith's fictional encyclopedia entries or talk page posts. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:04, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

#:::::Absolutely, unequivocally false. Stalin fought Hitler, but that does not mean we must support Stalin or else be Nazis. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 19:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::::Even after the [[Communazi era]] ended, Stalin wasn't as anti-Nazi as [[Comsymp]]s like to fantasize. He gave no aid to the [[Warsaw Uprising]], instead allowing the actual anti-Nazi fighters to be crushed by the mass-murderous National Socialists. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Wednesday, 09:58, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::::To say "Stalin fought against the Nazis because he had moral backbone" is akin to "[[Andrew Johnson]] opposed the slave-owning Southern planter class because he was pro–civil rights." Yeah, no. It was about destroying one socialist regime to prop up another. Sure, Nazi ideology is a magnitude worse than Communism due to its abhorrently naked racism, though this fact does not give Conservapedia any excuse to glorify Communists as "anti-Nazi." They weren't. From the top-down perspective (when the lower classes attack each other, that's because those ranks are the "disposables" in socialist ideology), they just about never were. If it weren't for Communist help in the [[Berlin transport strike]] that depleted SPD votes, thus leading to the parliamentary chaos, Hitler may never have seized power in 1933. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Wednesday, 10:20, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

#:::::Here's the Catch-22 many anti-Putin and anti-Russian [[bigot]]s painted themselves into: Putin says: "We're going to war against Nazism". Critics says, "Oh, that's just Putin propaganda for the stupid Russian masses", which of course then makes you a Russophobic Nazi bigot. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:15, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

#::::::Putin can go to war against Nazism, and still be responsible for the murder of Litvinenko and countless others. Your simplistic view of the war is that there must be a good side and a bad side. Guess what? In real life (something you, a realist, should care an awful lot about), both sides can be bad. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 21:24, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

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#::The problem basically is editors falling for Western propaganda alleging that Vladimir Putin is a communist, or that the Russian Federation is attempting to re-create the Soviet Union. If you bit off on that line of garbage (which you were warned against), don't be surprised if you were labeled a nazisymp. Just as you unfairly labeled Putin and Russia as "communist", now it boomerangs back at you - especially since NATO and the West has lost the war. It would have been easier to listen and pay attention earlier. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

#:::Ah yes, I referred to the wrong brand of communism, and made the unforgivable sin of calling it just that. To an outside observer they are nearly identical, but in this perverse "king of the communist mountain" game, it apparently makes all the difference. That's why Germany and Russia were enemies in WWII. Each was under an authoritarian system which crushed the populace under the boot of the corrupt regime in power. I wondered if you would jump to the defense of today's rebranded Leninism when I wrote that. Sadly, I'm not surprised that you did. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::What RobSmith refuses to admit nowadays is that Nazism is to Communism as Stalinism is to Trotskyism: two rival cults in socialism. He incredulously claimed, just as leftists do, [[Special:Diff/1991237|that Hitler was "anti-socialist,"]] essentially pushing the neo-Marxist narrative that Fascism and Nazism are "far-right." Not once in his mention of the Azov Battalion has he ever referred to Ukrainian Nazism as a form of socialism, instead approvingly citing left-wing outlets referring to them as "right-wing"/"far-right." I remember him once on Talk:Main Page saying like "if you aren't a far-right fascist Nazi..." which indicates that he believes the left-wing propaganda narrative Conservapedia has for years debunked.

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#::::Ironically, despite his claims that I'm a "Nazisymp," he himself is pushing Nazi propaganda by attempting to ideologically separate Nazism from Communism, claiming that Communists are "anti-Nazi" and Nazis are "anti-Communist." That narrative is constantly peddled by liars on both the Communist and Nazi side, and refuted by conservatives who acknowledge that they are essentially the same. Furthermore, Nazism is basically ''a form of Communism'', since [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuGRO72GbA Hitler was a Communist in early 1919], and much of the ''[[Sturmabteilung]]'' (SA) were [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Weimar_Radicals/nnZyz6JOKlQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=communist+recruits+%22stormtroopers&pg=PA139&printsec=frontcover Communist recruits]. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Wednesday, 09:54, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

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#::::As the old saying went, "the goal of Socialism is Communism." Well then, since Nazism is short for National Socialism, that means in the case of Hitler and neo-Nazis, the goal of National Socialism is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXqFgqOviw National Communism]. Need I say more? —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Wednesday, 10:03, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

#'''Agree'''. Continually lying; blatantly hostile towards others. Acts like he owns this website. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 08:10, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

::"Toxic leaders work to promote themselves at the expense of their subordinates...". - Lieutenant Colonel Darrell W. Aubrey, United States Army, [https://www.moore.army.mil/MCOE/EO/content/pdf/RL/The%20Effect%20of%20Toxic%20Leadership.pdf The Effect of Toxic Leadership]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:05, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

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RobSmith is now arbitrarily removing any discussions he simply doesn't like. For example, over [[Special:Diff/1992956|here]]. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Wednesday, 12:38, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

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Update: [[Special:Diff/1992966|he's doing it over and over again on this page as well]]. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Wednesday, 13:06, October 11, 2023 (EDT)

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