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:::Hayek might be the best historian ever. The quote has just no relation with the rest of the paragraph. It might be appropriate in a discussion on the causes of the 3rd Reich. Likewise I could just add, without context, that Hitler was financed by major industries, like Krupp or Thyssen. But without context both claims are just red herrings. It might look like you want to say that it is the all just the socialists fault. That is wrong, just a wrong as saying that it is the capitalists fault. The Hayek quote is just inappropriate. [[User:Order]] 22 June 2007.
:::Hayek might be the best historian ever. The quote has just no relation with the rest of the paragraph. It might be appropriate in a discussion on the causes of the 3rd Reich. Likewise I could just add, without context, that Hitler was financed by major industries, like Krupp or Thyssen. But without context both claims are just red herrings. It might look like you want to say that it is the all just the socialists fault. That is wrong, just a wrong as saying that it is the capitalists fault. The Hayek quote is just inappropriate. [[User:Order]] 22 June 2007.
: The relation to socialism is indeed an interesting one. The Nazi Party had in the beginning a racists and a socialist faction, which found each other since according to their world view industry was dominated by Jews. Nevertheless the Nazi were violently anti-communist and social democrat, maybe because they all aimed at the votes of the working class. Communists were among the first victiims, and the Nazi won in election by being anti-communist.
:::The relation to socialism is indeed an interesting one. The Nazi Party had in the beginning a racists and a socialist faction, which found each other since according to their world view industry was dominated by Jews. Nevertheless the Nazi were violently anti-communist and social democrat, maybe because they all aimed at the votes of the working class. Communists were among the first victiims, and the Nazi won in election by being anti-communist.
:Strasser was a prominent member of the Nazi party who was more socialist than racist. Actually, the democratic forces tried to engage Strasser, and alienate Hitler, and thus to domesticate the Nazi movement by splitting it. But Strasser was forced Hitler to back down, and was later killed in the night of the long knives, as a revenge for his earlier attempts to get the Nazis into government as junior partner, without Hitler, but with Strasser. The murder of Strasser marked the end of an independent socialist faction. [[User:Order]] June 22
:::Strasser was a prominent member of the Nazi party who was more socialist than racist. Actually, the democratic forces tried to engage Strasser, and alienate Hitler, and thus to domesticate the Nazi movement by splitting it. But Strasser was forced Hitler to back down, and was later killed in the night of the long knives, as a revenge for his earlier attempts to get the Nazis into government as junior partner, without Hitler, but with Strasser. The murder of Strasser marked the end of an independent socialist faction. [[User:Order]] June 22
::::The real idea when inserting footnotes is not to just give definitive or supporting evidence, it is to encourage examination of the underlying documents themself. Let's look at some contextural quotes (only 3, but there are many more) from Hayek, and we could pick and choose which fits best.
::::*"Few recognize that the rise of fascism and Marxism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies."
::::*''To many who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters the connection between the two systems has become increasingly obvious, but in the democracies the majority of people still believe that socialism and freedom can be combined. They do not realize that democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is not only unachievable, but that to strive for it produces something utterly different – the very destruction of freedom itself."
::::Hayek quotes Peter Drucker,
::::*''Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion''
::::As a sidenote, Wikipedia founder [[Jimbo Wales]] has said, "One can't understand my ideas about [[Wikipedia]] without understanding Hayek," yet for as often as he is quoted, few have actually ventured to understand Wales basic thinking. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 10:33, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
== Hitler/Nazi Party ==
== Hitler/Nazi Party ==