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| | ::::::Can you find a better "source" than Jacobin? You wee asked you since you claim to have "researched" that period. How many Jews did they save in Haavara? If you want to ask me what I think about Zionists efforts I can reply - trust me it was not all rosy. I can also tell you if I resoect Zionists more ir less tgmhan Haredim who refuse to serve in IDF (not related to the tiny group Neturei Karta per se). But that is if you wish to know and not propagate your war on ADL and all major Jewish organizations. All that criticism on Zionists icons have nothing to do with the noble Zionist idea or to switch it around and peddle anti zionist canards which today is a veiled anti Jewush war. Intentional or not. So far, what you implied is that Hitler and all those nazis who were eager to get rid of the Jews begore they saw it's possible just to exterminate...were so called Z. Regards.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 19:31, July 11, 2024 (EDT) | | ::::::Can you find a better "source" than Jacobin? You wee asked you since you claim to have "researched" that period. How many Jews did they save in Haavara? If you want to ask me what I think about Zionists efforts I can reply - trust me it was not all rosy. I can also tell you if I resoect Zionists more ir less tgmhan Haredim who refuse to serve in IDF (not related to the tiny group Neturei Karta per se). But that is if you wish to know and not propagate your war on ADL and all major Jewish organizations. All that criticism on Zionists icons have nothing to do with the noble Zionist idea or to switch it around and peddle anti zionist canards which today is a veiled anti Jewush war. Intentional or not. So far, what you implied is that Hitler and all those nazis who were eager to get rid of the Jews begore they saw it's possible just to exterminate...were so called Z. Regards.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 19:31, July 11, 2024 (EDT) |
| | :::::::The Weizmann quote should be well-substantiated all over the place; you can look it up yourself, Dianne3000. As to Haavara, yes, some tens of thousands of Jews were saved. Unfortunately not in the millions to the extent of preventing the Holocaust from happening. IOWs, a minority of German Jewry willing to acquiesce to Zionism were rescued, while the anti-Zionist majority were targeted by the Nazi regime. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 19:37, July 11, 2024 (EDT) | | :::::::The Weizmann quote should be well-substantiated all over the place; you can look it up yourself, Dianne3000. As to Haavara, yes, some tens of thousands of Jews were saved. Unfortunately not in the millions to the extent of preventing the Holocaust from happening. IOWs, a minority of German Jewry willing to acquiesce to Zionism were rescued, while the anti-Zionist majority were targeted by the Nazi regime. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 19:37, July 11, 2024 (EDT) |
| | + | :::::::Now, I know someone out there, sooner or later, is bound to argue, "but what about the anti-Zionist German National Jews?" That group was highly fringe with zero real standing/influence, and the Nazis hardly tolerated them. OTOH, the Nazis [https://dalspace.library.dal.ca/bitstream/handle/10222/83987/Pangaea%202013%20Wolofsky%20T.pdf?sequence=1 "favoured Zionists over other Jews, citing their common nationalist ideals."] (Tamar Wolofsky, "The Unlikely Entente: Collaborations Between Zionism and National Socialism fore the Second World War," p. 63) |
| | :::::[EC] Both the Nazis and Zionists had a shared goal of kicking the Jews out of Europe. '''As sorry as I am to say this''', the Zionists jointly facilitated the Holocaust with the chief Nazi mass-murder thugs to wipe out the anti-Zionist majority of European Jewry and goad the remainder into moving to Palestine (the Nazi trope of "Judeo-Bolshevism" was an ''ever-so-convenient'' attack on the left-wing Jews who distrusted Zionism as a reactionary conspiracy). This is the harsh truth almost no one wants to talk about though needs to be said, and I'm getting ''very'' tired of suppressed history remaining suppressed just to please the IHRA/ADL/AJC apparatus which egotistically thinks they alone get to selectively weaponize the Holocaust and decide what amounts to "antisemitism." (and I'm sure RobSmith is familiar with all these facts; I'm very certain he probably avoids these topics to refrain from affronting you, Telling) | | :::::[EC] Both the Nazis and Zionists had a shared goal of kicking the Jews out of Europe. '''As sorry as I am to say this''', the Zionists jointly facilitated the Holocaust with the chief Nazi mass-murder thugs to wipe out the anti-Zionist majority of European Jewry and goad the remainder into moving to Palestine (the Nazi trope of "Judeo-Bolshevism" was an ''ever-so-convenient'' attack on the left-wing Jews who distrusted Zionism as a reactionary conspiracy). This is the harsh truth almost no one wants to talk about though needs to be said, and I'm getting ''very'' tired of suppressed history remaining suppressed just to please the IHRA/ADL/AJC apparatus which egotistically thinks they alone get to selectively weaponize the Holocaust and decide what amounts to "antisemitism." (and I'm sure RobSmith is familiar with all these facts; I'm very certain he probably avoids these topics to refrain from affronting you, Telling) |
| | :::::If you understand my intrinsic point that Zionism does not genuinely represent the interests of the Jewish people, hopefully all this can be understood with considerably less offense. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 19:37, July 11, 2024 (EDT) | | :::::If you understand my intrinsic point that Zionism does not genuinely represent the interests of the Jewish people, hopefully all this can be understood with considerably less offense. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 19:37, July 11, 2024 (EDT) |