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Year of the three popes?

There will come a time when everyone will be pope for fifteen minutes: "Pope Francis Says He May Need to Consider 'Stepping Aside' Following Trip to Canada." PeterKa (talk) 17:09, July 31, 2022 (EDT)

What will happen to the US economy if/when we go to war with China over Taiwan

This, along with the Colonel MacGregor article I shared above, is a must read.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:55, August 2, 2022 (EDT)

To summarize, if we go to war with China over Taiwan we will lose:
  • About 80% of our pharmaceutical supply (including almost half of our herapin, 70% of our acetaminophen, and over 90% of our antibiotics)
  • The vast majority of our food supply (to the point where we will be on the brink of mass starvation)
  • A large percentage of our farm machinery supply
  • A large percentage of our clothing supply (including 70% of our shoes)
  • 72% of our smartphone supply
  • Virtually all of whatever we buy at places like Target
  • 66% of our computer chip supply
--Geopolitician (talk) 14:05, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
To further elaborate, we will be seeing:
  • A 400% rise in pharmaceutical prices (including a 100% rise for herapin, a 233% rise for acetaminophen, and a 900% rise for antibiotics)
  • An exponential rise in food prices
  • An substantial rise in farm machinery prices
  • A substantial rise in clothing prices (including a 233% rise for shoes)
  • A 257% price increase in smartphone prices
  • An exponential rise in prices for goods we buy at places like Target
  • A 194% increase in computer prices
  • An economic crisis that will make the Great Depression look like the post-WWII economic boom by comparison
--Geopolitician (talk) 14:12, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
So, how does aiding Ukraine, driving Russia and China closer together, fix what appears an inevitable war with China at this point? RobSZ+ 14:35, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
It doesn't. It actually makes things worse. Of course the policymakers don't care about the opinions of peasants like you and I.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:04, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Bingo. So can we agree in conclusion that the Biden junta and NATO made a colossal error (some may call it deliberate) with its war of aggression in Ukraine that will have decades long ramifications? RobSZ+ 15:39, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
It wasn’t an error. They knew exactly what they were doing.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:59, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
<digression>I'm assuming you have no experience with inflation. In an inflationary atmosphere, forecasts such as "233% rise for shoes" have no meaning for policymakers or the general consuming public. 233% from what base? The base that you calculate an increase from need to be recalculated every couple of months. RobSZ+ 14:43, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
These calculations are applicable to whatever the base is at the outbreak of war, because it is based purely on changes in supply.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:04, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
True; but in the real world and real life experience, 233% could be applicable for maybe 3 or 4 months; in a years time it could 733%, and in two years double that. Persistent inflation will change your whole perspective on life. The field of behavioral economics is a relatively new, unresearched field. RobSZ+ 15:09, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
"applicable to whatever the base is at the outbreak of war" - See, that is assuming that at some point in the next year or two you will reach a point of price stability - which simply never happens in an inflationary environment - not unless a Ronald Reagan appears (i.e. a national consensus) to bleed out the excess inflation, restrain government spending, and pay the price for past sins. RobSZ+ 16:09, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
We've already seen this happen, with gas going from $4.89 a gal to $3.99 in the past month after tripling in the first half of this year. Winter is not here yet to see the changes in LNG home heating. You cannot now forecast what gas or LNG will be 12 months out, which will affect the price of everything.
Inflation wipes out savings, the ability to save, plan for the future, and the art of forecasting. It forces everyone to live in the here and now. So long as the price and supply of drugs and alcohol are cheap and available, that's what people tend to spend their money on. The United States has never recovered from its bout with inflation and drugs, the legacy of the Vietnam war, which was not a widespread problem beforehand. RobSZ+ 15:26, August 2, 2022 (EDT)

Militant, Chinese atheists are so foolish

The militant atheists leaders has tanks going up and down their beach near the Taiwan Straits.

What are they going to do? Drive their tanks into the water and go across the Taiwan Straits along the water bed? I don't think so!

China is economically in bad shape. They are not going to attack Taiwan right now and risk losing the USA market.

Plus, why would they attack the USA when they have Joe Biden and Hunter in their back pocket through bribery? Conservative (talk) 19:51, August 2, 2022 (EDT)

Quemoy and Matsu. Both are right there, a stone's throw off the Mainland coast. Military Summary channel shows exactly how they are going to do it. Amphibious tanks. Intercontinental missile DF5b with a range of 12,000-15,000 kilometers and can carry 3-8 hydrogen warheads. China has to act now, given all the threats, so they come out a winner. Is there any question now, that the Biden family is on the CCP payroll? RobSZ+ 20:16, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
CNN, CNBC, AP Met With Chinese Communist Party Propagandists in July.
Journalist Lee Smith explains what has been happening, how the media & government keep telling us not to believe our lying eyes, vis-a-vis Trump-Russia, election fraud, covid vaccines, cancel culture, two-tier justice system, etc. etc. etc.. Elites are trying to build in America and the West a system of social control based upon the Chinese model. RobSZ+ 20:52, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
I am sure the Chinese communist have invasion plans. But as Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until he gets punched in the mouth."
They are just blowhards. Sea-beach assaults are the hardest to do. And they would lose their biggest customer - the USA. Conservative (talk) 20:59, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
The issue is not if they would attack the United States, the issue is how they would retaliate if the US tries to do in Taiwan what it is doing in Ukraine - in this case aiding the separatists (or doing a "Putin", I suppose you could call it). If they attacked the U.S., they would gain the whole US market, in addition to all the farmland they already bought up.
Los Angelas, for example, needs international peacekeeping troops cause evidently California and the U.S. is incapable of self-government. RobSZ+ 21:21, August 2, 2022 (EDT)

It's time to stop "being tough" on China

I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but it needs to be said. It's time for us, conservatives and other populists, to stop "being tough" on China (at least for now).

It's become clear as crystal that for Biden and his puppet masters, "being tough" on China means intentionally crossing red lines in hopes of starting World War III. This means whatever moral high ground we had to justify "being tough" on China is now gone; it is now China who has the moral high ground. Most of the international community (minus the Deep State's vassals) acknowledge this fact, which means that if Biden and his puppet masters succeed in starting a war those countries will side with China and declare war on us.

America may or may not survive a one-on-one war with China. But it absolutely would not survive a war with the entire international community. Again, this is the future which awaits us, unless we decide to send this message to our elected officials: "Make nice with China, or we will vote you out."

It's time that we put aside our pride and stop worrying about how "tough" we are on the international stage. The very existence of this nation is at stake.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:41, August 2, 2022 (EDT)

Oh, okay. I get it. Cause Zelensky is such a paragon of virtue and democracy, we're suppose to forget about the one million Americans China murdered with the coronavirus. RobSZ+ 20:55, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
No, we're supposed to forget about both Ukraine and Taiwan. And be open to the possibility that it was actually the CIA who murdered over one million Americans with the coronavirus.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:03, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Speaking of the CIA, I wouldn't be surprised if it's currently planning to shoot down Pelosi's plane once it departs Taiwan, and then blame China in hopes of creating a justification for war.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:06, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
If Trump's not onboard for this, then he should stand aside in 2024. Personally, I'd be for a Rand Paul-Tulsi Gabbard ticket.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:12, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Yep. Somehow you always bring geopolitical analysis back to attack Republican presidential candidates. Gives me the idea you don't care a rat's behind about global issues and problems, and only seek partisan attacks on GOP candidates other than the traditional "he's a racist" on domestic and social issues. RobSZ+ 21:26, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
You clearly missed the part where I praised a potential GOP candidate: Rand Paul. His approach to foreign policy is the way to go, but almost nobody else in the GOP is willing to admit it.
I'd also be up for Tucker Carlson, Matt Gaetz, Mike Lee, or (maybe) Josh Hawley if they ran. These are the people who should be running the show in the GOP.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:17, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
It's time to start being tough on China. Tougher trade talks and cracking down on intellectual property theft. Bringing back more supply chains to the USA.
Donald Trump was right to be tougher on China. Conservative (talk) 22:18, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Trump had good intentions, but unfortunately his China policy was hijacked by stealth neocons like Bolton and Pompeo who used Trump's hardline stance on trade as a stepping stone to engage in outright warmongering. Not only did they attempt a color revolution in Hong Kong (which only failed because Trump said "no"), but there's also a good possibility they were the true masterminds behind COVID, hoping that the spread of the virus would lead to war.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:38, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Wow. Didn't you just admit on your talk page a few hours ago that Bolton didn't fit the definition of a neocon? then return here minutes later and toss the term around as apejoritive to impugn his integrity? RobSZ+ 00:52, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
No, that was Eagleberger who I said didn’t necessarily fit the definition of a neocon. Eagleberger was a hawk, but he opposed invading Iraq. Bolton on the other hand supported it.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:49, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Both opposed NATO's aggressive "neocon" war in Kosovo, which is where the discussion started. RobSZ+ 18:06, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
You’re technically correct about Bolton opposing the war on Serbia, although the conversation actually started on the similar but separate issue of recognizing Kosovo.
That being said, Bolton still supported invading Iraq, and was one of the architects of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:43, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
So it's a debate over, "Do all necons support the war in Iraq", vs "Are all supporters of the war in Iraq neocons?" Obama opposed the war in Iraq when only 6% of the American population opposed it, yet turned out to be as big as, if not more damaging "neocon" president as George W. Bush.
My suggestion: stop uniformly using the term as a pejorative until you learn and understand what it is and means. RobSZ+ 19:53, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Obama is not a neocon. He's a left-wing accelerationist. He opposes neoconservatism and its twin neoliberalism in principle but he's more than willing to ally with them because he wants to cause damage. In a way that actually makes him worse than any neocon or any neolib.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:15, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Obama appointed Victoria Nuland and brought about the fascist Maidan regime, not to mention the Libyan slave trade. Tore up the Camp David Accords with the removal of Mubarak. Oh, and created the ISIS proxy regime to fight Iran. Sounds pretty "neoconish" to me. RobSZ+ 01:20, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Which proves my point. Obama thinks neocons like Nuland are natural allies of his cause.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:11, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Did you know: When Mikhail Gorbachev was taken hostage and placed under house arrest in 1991, the putschists were neocons? Did you know the Soviet Union had its own neocons? RobSZ+ 20:01, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
They were not neocons in the ideological sense, but they definitely played the role in the Soviet government that neocons play in our government today.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:15, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
They wanted to keep the Cold War going, and like American neocons, feared that if the Cold War ended, the U.S. would abandon Israel. RobSZ+ 01:20, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
And also dismantle the MIC.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:11, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Geo, you miss the point again. What is your primary focus? Geopolitics, or thwarting Republican presidential candidates? You somehow always mix the two up, and always bring the discussion back to GOP presidential politics. It's as if the starving people in the Congo can just go screw themselves, cause they don't have an impact in a GOP primary or general election. RobSZ+ 22:48, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Simply put, you don't impress me as having specialized knowledge or interest in geopolitics, but rather only on a constant hunt for ammunition to use in partisan domestic U.S. politics. RobSZ+ 22:55, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Until you learn to discuss geopolitical issues on a purely geopolitical plane, you'll continue to rank below amateur as both a domestic and international analyst of both domestic and geopolitical issues. RobSZ+ 22:59, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Geopolitics is the factor which unites the various factions of the Deep State into the confederacy of dunces that it is. Whithout geopolitics, there is no Deep State. Thus, geopolitics and our domestic politics have become intrinsically linked.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:32, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
You never read Karl Haushofer obviously, the guy who invented the term. His book is available in English. Rudolf Hess was his student. The field of "geopolitics" was largely regarded as an extension of Nazi metaphysics and occultism during World War II, and somehow reemerged in recent years. But obviously you haven't read much of its background, taking it as your user name. RobSZ+ 00:03, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
Actually the term was coined by Emil Reich, not Haushofer. And many of Haushofer's ideas were borrowed from those of Halford Mackinder, whose theories I've brought up here numerous times.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:10, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
Haushlofer popularized the term (and was given credit for coining it by many sources), being nobody ever heard of it before Mein Kampf was published. RobSZ+ 00:21, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
Correct, although again many of his ideas were not original. They were borrowed from Mackinder, who was a British geostrategist. In that regard, he his merely a German equivalent to Brzezinski and Dugin. All three based their theories on those of Mackinder, while adding flavoring which is unique to their respective countries.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:58, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
You don't see what you are doing? You are taking what is supposed to be a legitimate field of academic and scholarly inquiry, and perverting it, as Hess and Hitler did, for domestic political propaganda. It seems to me any serious student of Geopolitics would be acutely aware of this problem. RobSZ+ 01:09, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
American geopolitics is already perverted to begin with, thanks to people like Brzezinski and Kissinger. All I’m doing is pointing out those perversions and calling for a response to them.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:21, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
"American geopolitics". That's a new on me. Never heard of the term. Seems very Mein Kampfish. RobSZ+ 00:12, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Well, you do have a point there. The Grand Chessboard does give me some Mein Kampf vibes.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:35, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

A guy who knew how to visit Taiwan: U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower visited Taipei in June 1960 even as China threatened nuclear war over Jinmen Island.
I am with Senator George Romney on this one: "I think our eyes are focused on Ukraine. We very much want to keep China from providing the Russians with armament or drones. This is the time we ought to be focused on that.”[1] One war at a time. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that other good strategy stuff. PeterKa (talk) 23:08, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
I'm with "Kremlin propagandist" Prof. John Mearsheimer, we need Russia as an ally against China. RobSZ+ 23:18, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
I'm with Mearsheimer as well, except unlike him I oppose being hawkish on China too.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:33, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, you're with Biden. "China's gonna eat our lunch? C'mon man". RobSZ+ 00:20, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
Biden talks one game and does another. His puppet masters are fanatics who want China dismantled much like they want Russia dismantled. He can ramble about being a peacenik all he wants, but that's just it. It's nothing but the rambling of an increasingly senile old man who likes to eat ice cream and go to bed at 1 in the afternoon. When it comes to actually working, he staff does it all for him, and they have a noticably different agenda.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:46, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
I think they all have the same agenda - destroying America. Didn't Biden say inflation was good thing? RobSZ+ 01:22, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
They all want to destroy the America that was established by the Founders, yes. But not all of them want to replace that America with the same thing. Some want an oligarchic Empire instead of a Republic, others want a socialist revolution, and still others just want Balkanization. The last of those three is the most likely outcome to result fromthis administration’s policies, but the others remain optimistic that they will get their desired utopia instead.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:16, August 3, 2022 (EDT)

About 70,000 people a year die in the USA due to fentanyl overdoses and the Chinese are sending a lot of it to the USA. It's crazy to talk about not being tough on China right now. Plus, they are stealing a lot of the intellectual property of Americans and our trade with them is lopsided and there is a big trade deficit with China. . The USA government is letting China walk all over Americans. Conservative (talk) 12:51, August 3, 2022 (EDT)

And... Pelosi is out of Taiwan. Well, then. Looks like the moral high ground is once again in play. The longer China waits before attacking Taiwan, the less likely it keeps the moral high ground in its grasp. Meanwhile, let’s hope nothing comes out of Biden authorizing military drills with South Korea, which supposedly includes an exercise rehearsing an assassination attempt against Kim.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:59, August 3, 2022 (EDT)

China might never attack Taiwan. As long as the economic conditions are improving, the Chinese populace largely remains quiet about politics. But economic conditions are starting to deteriorate in China and if it continues the Chinese Communist Party might be thrown out. Also, with its greying population, the economy could get worse then. Furthermore, the Chinese sell a lot of stuff to the Western World and have a lot of economic ties to the West (Much more than Russia sells). If China attacks Taiwan, it jeopardizes that market. Conservative (talk) 16:59, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
You might want to read this.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:36, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
This statement here: the Chinese sell a lot of stuff to the Western World and have a lot of economic ties to the West (Much more than Russia sells) reveals one of the big problems in modern macroeconomic thinking that causes distortions in estimated GDP figures (which caused the United States policymakers to mistakenly begin a war with Russia). The statement measures trade in dollar volume, and ignores the fact that Russian exports of energy to China is what produces its manufacturing exports. So which has greater value? Russian energy exports, or the dollar volume of trade it produces in manufactured goods? Once you pull the plug, the whole machinery stops. RobSZ+ 14:00, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

No one has addressed the fundamental issue at play here in this latest U.S. provocation to bring about global war using the Ukraine playbook:

  • In Ukraine, the United States is killing civilian "separatists", with HIMARs and Petal mines, civilians who do not wish to be part of the liberal world order. They have made the democratic choice for self-determination at the ballot box;
  • In Taiwan, the United States supports "separatists" with arms and ammunition despite the fact that the U.S. recognizes Taiwan as sovereign Chinese territory. RobSZ+ 00:30, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

So why is the United States fighting for its survival in the new multipolar world against the world's most powerful military (Russia) and the world's largest economy (China[1])? In the new liberal world order, the United States suddenly finds itself No. 3 in the global pecking order. And it is powerless to do anything about it without a manufacturing base and energy to fuel it. RobSZ+ 00:50, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

  1. It should be obvious to the casual observer that U.S.-generated GDP numbers have major inherent flaws. Russia is not a "gas station run by the mafia with nuclear weapons", as Russophobic bigots like John McCain claimed. Russia's economy to support its military is not the size of Spain. Exchange rates, for one, have inflated those GDP estimates. De-dollarization, the SWIFT network shrinking itself, and the global move to dump the U.S. dollar as a reserve asset will deflate those exaggerated GDP estimates. The fact the Biden junta refuses to admit we're in a recession confirms they themselves recognize the flaws and distortons in calculating GDP. Plan A with sanctions not only failed, but boomeranged to destroy the EU economy. The U.S. is losing the war it started.

Incidentally, this is the transformational "change you can believe in" ushered in by Barack Obama. RobSZ+ 00:58, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

A multipolar world order is to a unipolar world order, what the system of checks and balances is to each branch of government. It thus cannot come soon enough.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:41, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
It's here already, only the MSM isn't reporting it. RobSZ+ 13:47, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Russia does not have the most powerful military in the world. The USA outspends Russia and also has the most powerful military.[2] And on top of this, the USA is a part of NATO and an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all NATO countries. Conservative (talk) 17:08, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
You need to read this article in full, which is only the first step in a series of discussions which have led to mistaken miscalculations that caused NATO and the West to think it can take on, and defeat Russia (nevermind NATOs understrength in manpower, as well). That article from Tablet, and this article: The Return of Industrial Warfare, are the two most important pieces which have appeared in print since February when the Special Military Operation began.
As to NATO, the bluster of its strength and superiority, I'd recommend getting off that horse. It's about to lose another war that it started (in addition to Libya and Afghanistan). It may not survive the Ukraine war. NATO is destroying the German economy right now, and German citizens and voters have something to say about that. The present German government, like Boris Johnson and Mario Draghi, is not likely to survive much longer because of its blind support of NATO. RobSZ+ 17:23, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Andy and I have discussed this at Talk:Gross_domestic_product. RobSZ+ 17:25, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
The West overestimated its ability to damage the Russian economy in the short term and underestimated Russia's ability to harm Europe's economy in the short term. In addition, it may damage the USD in the long term. That was very foolish.
Your other article on Industrial Warfare made a decent point too. And doing an industrial mobilization like the USA did in WWII would be very unpopular. And I doubt that Americans would want to undergo consumer goods rationing for the Ukrainian War like they did for WWII. And I doubt many American ladies would want to become "Rosy the Riveters" for Ukrainians. And judging by Biden's slow-walking of arms to Ukraine he's afraid of nuclear escalation or afraid of massive spending to fund Ukraine's military and the political grief it could give him. And Democrats have a history of taking half-measures when it comes to military matters (Pulling out of Afghanistan, supporting South Vietnam after the Paris Peace Accords, etc.). In addition, Biden and his advisors may want the Russians to take Eastern Ukraine with all its Russian separatists in order to diffuse the situation long term.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. When Trump had a decent amount of USA energy production it made Russia weaker in terms of being able to fund a war. In addition, Putin respected Trump and had decent relations with Trump. Furthermore, NATO dangling potential membership to the corrupt and authoritarian Ukrainians was idiotic and enraged Russia. Conservative (talk) 18:21, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) Note: In addition, the example the author uses with Netflix, the U.S. GDP figures took a hit when Disney stock fell because of the gay froth incorporated into its stock valuation. RobSZ+ 18:25, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
"Russia's ability to harm Europe's economy"; Russia never intended to "harm" the European economy (Indeed, Russia's own economic strength and health was as dependent upon Europe as Europe was Russia, which is why they complain about sanctions. Meantime, Russia has found alternative markets for energy exports, whereas Europe has not found alternatives for imports.) Europe did it to itself by following NATO marching orders - which the people of Europe are waking up to. RobSZ+ 18:25, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
My man, Russia is currently having to dig so deep into its Soviet stockpiles that the new battalions it's trying to form are getting equipped with BMP-1s and MT-LBs. Maybe it's some 4-D chess move involving a heavy dose of retro chic, or maybe Putin's such an idiot that he's undone 10-15 years' worth of army modernisation in 5 months on the battlefield. ConwayIII (talk) 21:26, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Ukraine lost 1,000 KIA yesterday, including an entire brigade to friendly fire for retreating / desertion. Smart move, turning its limited artillery pieces, already outnumbered 15-1, on their own troops. Does wonders for the fighting spirit and morale (NATO learned that from Stalin in the defense of Moscow, whereas the Russian Federation has abandoned such tactics). Meanwhile in the West, this news is obscured by whacking the already dead leader of al-Qaeda, and attempt to provoke war with China.
Let's walk down memory lane for a moment: Although Russia was caught off-guard by the German attack in 1941, by 1945 it had 12,000 operational tanks compared to Germany's 2,000, and about 11,000 MIG fighter jets by 1950. Throughout the Cold War post-1945, Russia's armaments industry never let up, sacrificing consumer goods - production of cars, refrigerators, TV sets, telephones, etc - for armaments. Sure by 1991, 46 years later, it bankrupted them. But they produced immense stockpiles over nearly a half century (here's my wager: I bet in underground bunkers in Cuba there's probably big enough stockpiles of weapons to take on the United States, Canada, and Mexico; in Tripoli alone, they found 20,000 MANPADs after the fall of Ghaddafi; in Transnistria, there is 20,000 tons of ammunition, which would certainly take care of Ukraine's shortage if the Russians don't hit it first with a hypersonic). When Putin took office, he booted out all the corrupt Western pillagers and oligarchs, and modernized the Russian military, not restoring it to old-time production quotas, but upgrading it with modern technology.
The way the U.S. fights wars nowadays is through media disinformation campaigns and bribing foreign military personal. Its technology may be "more advanced", but also limited in quantity, exponentially more expensive, and dependent on Russia and China for key materials. Andrei Martynov recently demonstrated how Russian submarines are more modern, superior in number, and built for 1/3 the cost (I could find the link if your interested). RobSZ+ 21:55, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
What's your point, man? The modern stuff has mostly tossed its turrets into the great ever-after and they're now digging out mass-produced designs from the 60s that were manufactured (at best) in the late 70s / early 80s. Maybe their musty whiff of Soviet nostalgia will inspire your boys to ever greater feats of stalling & war criming. ConwayIII (talk) 22:57, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) Here's a rule of thumb you can live by: Whatever export of Soviet and Russian armaments over the past 77 years to China, India, the Warsaw Pact countries, Egypt, Libya, Congo, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, etc., never exceeded 10% of Russia's own stockpiles. Whereas 1/3 of the U.S. Javelins sent to Ukraine, most are either in Russian hands and the remainder on the blackmarket in Europe and the Middle East. They never reached their intended hands for their intended purpose. RobSZ+ 23:10, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Right now, Russia is producing upgraded versions of the T-90, that never reached production capacity when the USSR collapsed in 1991. U.S. tank production is as useless as bosoms on a bore, being the cost of delivering them to battlefield is prohibitive (and has always been a boondoggle in members of Congress districts for jobs and votes). Ukraine had more tanks at the start of this war than the UK, France, and Germany combined. Russia has already destroyed more tanks than Ukraine started with, including all the "donations".
[Ed. note: The number after the "T" in Russian tank nomenclature denotes the year of prototype, for example, the T-34, the weapon that won WWII, was first designed and built in 1934; the T-62, a small lighter tank was first designed and built in 1962 and had a very wide production run (Saddam's army in 1991 still had 6,000 of them operational. Remember the "10% rule", and add in all the T-62s sent to Warsaw Pact countries to get some idea how many the USSR had, and Russia still has, in reserve); the T-64 built in 1964 was an upgraded version of the T-62 with a more limited production run; the T-72, designed and built in 1972 remains the standard, with conversions carrying the TOS-1 Sunburn thermobaric launcher in Ukraine right now; the T-80 was an upgraded T-72 with a limited production run and not many seen outside the former USSR; the T-90 was first designed in 1990, but never reached a full scale production run cause of the collapse of the USSR a year later. However, an upgraded version called the Terminator Tank is now being combat tested in Ukraine. It was used in the Battle of Severodonetsk, and will likely be the future of tank warfare (which the United States cannot compete with. Let's stop fooling ourselves.) RobSZ+ 23:44, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
So you ask, "Why wasn't the T-80 ever exported?" Simple response: In Russian and Soviet military doctrine, only weapons that are designed and built ten years earlier are sold abroad, with the Russian military reserving the latest production designs and improvements for themselves. Contrast this with the West, for example the capture by the Russians of the UK Brimstone missile which is now being reversed engineered. While the West may have rules similar to Russia, apparently they are willing to disregard them in moments of desperation, with their cocky self-assuredness in their superiority that they can always develop a new weapon to counter the destruction they unleash. The same holds true for the dozens and dozen varieties of combat and surveillance drones being combat tested in Ukraine from all corners of the globe in this, the first "drone war". RobSZ+ 23:55, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Conway has fallen into the trap of believing the "newest, latest" weapon design is always the "best". There are numerous examples to disprove this, beginning with the atomic bomb and all the social, political, economic upheavals it unleashed, not to mention environmental damage and the insane nuclear arms race. The idea is to find a simple, effective, low cost weapon that does the job it is intended for, like the AK-47 or Panzerfaust (which the Russians obtained at zero cost in research and developed the modern RPG still in use). Such is the T-72 and its offspring, the TOS-1 Thermobaric and the T-90 Terminator. The T-62 will still have its use by the Kyiv and Lviv police departments once Ukraine is fully demilitarized, to run over Nazis in the street and complete denazification. RobSZ+ 01:02, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Speak of the devil, reviews are coming for the Terminator Tank (don't take anything serious U.S. analysts say, they're full of crap and just a bunch of scammers after your tax money.) RobSZ+ 23:09, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Don't you get it? NATO only started this war to dispose of the former Warsaw Pacts stockpiles so they can be re-equipped with U.S. weapons. In fact, Norwegian shells don't fit in German tanks, so NATO wants to standardized equipment, with the U.S. holding the monopoly patents. RobSZ+ 23:10, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

RobS, made some legitimate points about the USA being able/willing to supply Ukraine with military hardware. PBS is very pro-Ukraine and they published this news story in early April: Push to arm Ukraine may put strain on U.S. weapons stockpile.

So Biden is not meeting Ukraine's requests as fast as they want partly for supply reasons. Conservative (talk) 23:16, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

Biden, NATO, and EU are starting to realize (a) the public has lost support for the war, and (b) the war is unwinnable. RobSZ+ 23:19, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Another resource for ConwayIII to chew on: Pro-Ukraine CNN said in early May: The closet is bare': Aid to Ukraine depletes US weapons supply. Conservative (talk) 00:47, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Until the USA actually builds a wall to defend Americans from the deadly southern border drug trade, I am not going to support the war in Ukraine that defends Ukraine's border. It's totally nuts what is going on. See: Drug Overdose Deaths in the U.S. Top 100,000 Annually.
In addition, the Biden administration is letting illegal Latin American immigrants with a lower Covid-19 vaccination rates than Americans to flood into the USA. And then the Biden Administration is flying/busing them all across the USA without even being tested for Covid-19. Biden has badly mishandled this pandemic.
And now the Biden Administration is bungling the monkeypox situation.[3] But at least with monkeypox most people who get it could have prevented it. If you're a man, don't have sex with another man. See how easy it is? Problem solved! Donald Trump would have known how to solve it. I, Donald J. Trump, hereby ban all homosexual men from coming into the USA - until we know what the hell is going on. Furthermore, all gay bars, gay bathhouses, homosexual circuit parties and gay festivals/parades are to be shut down. First the Trump Muslim ban and then the Trump homosexual men ban! America first and gayness last! Conservative (talk) 01:18, August 5, 2022 (EDT)
Did you know the Biden regime is issuing Social Security numbers to illegals at the border? RobSZ+ 01:37, August 5, 2022 (EDT)

No. In about 2 years or less, the Biden administration will be over. By midterms, the investigations will begin plus we will have gridlock unless the GOP can overcome a presidential veto. Conservative (talk) 08:54, August 5, 2022 (EDT)

In about a month, Zelensky will be looking for refugee status. Italy, the U.S., France and the UK are the likely candidate countries. He already has UK citizenship. China is out, Xi Jinping won't take his calls, so he'll have a hard time hiding from U.S. intelligence hit men who are making him the fall guy for the failure with all his war crimes and selling NATO aid on the blackmarket. RobSZ+ 22:45, August 5, 2022 (EDT)

The web traffic to atheist websites is dropping like flies during the pandemic. What will happen during an economic recession in the USA and Europe?

Update: Conservapedia has now found that 20 of the top atheist websites lost a large portion of their Google referral web traffic during the coronavirus pandemic. See: Internet atheism and the coronavirus pandemic


Question: Did God smite the website? According to the leading web marketing website SEMRush, the website lost about 90% of its monthly Google referral traffic and now gets a very meager pittance of monthly Google referral traffic.[4] Meanwhile, gets over 38,000,000 million monthly referral visits from Google.[5] See: Internet evangelism: Christians vs. atheists

The web traffic to atheist websites is dropping like flies!

Question: Will the USA's economic recession and Europe's impending recession kill off more web traffic to atheist websites? Conservative (talk) 13:34, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

Just so we're all on the same song sheet, Andy recently criticized Biblegateway for leaving out the Weycliff translation. RobSZ+ 13:51, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
I think you mean the Wycliffe translation done by John Wycliffe commonly called Wycliffe's Bible. Maybe it had to do with the cost/benefit of providing that translation. There is always opportunity cost to be considered in decisions. Conservative (talk) 14:53, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Who says they don't have Wycliff? Here's medieval English coming at you from 1382: "In the beginning God made of nought heaven and earth. Forsooth the earth was idle and void, and darknesses were on the face of (the) depth; and the Spirit of the Lord was borne on the waters." PeterKa (talk) 16:51, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Yah, our Bible Gateway page says it uses only the New Testament. RobSZ+ 16:55, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
Isaiah 53 - KJV,
My main point is that internet atheism is a sickly and weak Lilliputian and internet Christianity is a Gulliver.Conservative (talk) 17:14, August 4, 2022 (EDT)

Abortion wins in Kansas

How did pro-abortion maximalism get 59 percent of the vote in a recent referendum in Kansas, a state Trump won by 15 points in 2020? Back in 2019, the Kansas Supreme Court did a state version of Roe v. Wade and ruled that abortion was a right protected by the state constitution. The failed referendum attempted to restore the state's constitution as it is written and return power to the legislature. A pre-election poll showed an anti-abortion majority with 47 percent of Kansans supporting the referendum and 44 percent opposed. The pro-abortion outcome reflects higher turnout by those opposed to the amendment, presumably stimulated by the ad campaigns.

Current Kansas law bans abortion after 22 weeks. It seems that a lot of Kansans would like the keep things the way they are. But that was never an option on the ballot. With the referendum defeated, the state courts are empowered to strike down any and all restrictions. What explains the outcome of the referendum? It was all about slick ads produced by Washington consultants. The $6.4 million pro-abortion campaign was funded by Planned Parenthood and by "Sixteen Thirty," a dark money fund doesn't disclosure much of any information about itself. The campaign's slogan was "Stop the ban." The ad campaign was hugely dishonest. Many of the ads didn't even mention abortion. One ad suggested that a vote for the referendum was a vote for covid "mandates"! Another ad featured a doctor who claimed that the amendment might require him to violate his oath to "Do no harm." The anti-democratic assumption here is that Kansans that cannot trust a legislature that they themselves elected. None of the ads explained the actual issue that voters were being asked to decide, namely whether abortion law should be made by the legislature or by the state Supreme Court.

There was also a $5.4 million anti-abortion campaign funded by the archdiocese of Kansas City and other Catholic organizations.

The national media is touting Kansas as a precedent. But it is not obvious that this outcome can apply to any other state. Since Dobbs, eleven states have adopted abortion bans and another eleven are expected to enact such bans soon. That doesn't count states like Florida, which splits the difference with a ban after the fifteenth week of pregnancy. (Only a very small percentage of abortion happen after twelve weeks.) PeterKa (talk) 11:35, August 7, 2022 (EDT)

How Pelosi's Taiwan visit contributes to inflation

China is now in the same position Russia was in in 2014 - insulating itself from sanctions and reducing its dependence on Western markets for export. China is adopting its own sanctions policy against the United States. All this will have a detrimental effect on supply chains and inflation. RobSZ+ 23:36, August 5, 2022 (EDT)

China's been in the same position Russia was in in 2014... since 2019. That year, China came very close to having its own Ukraine moment when the CIA infiltrated the Hong Kong protests in hopes of starting a separatist insurgency. The only reason that failed is because the Deep State shills in the Trump administration couldn't convince Trump to endorse the protestors; Trump knew doing so would destroy any chances of him striking the multi-phase trade deal he envisioned. This by the way is a major reason why I suspect the CIA was also behind COVID escaping the Wuhan lab; since the Hong Kong incident failed to spark a Sino-American cold war, COVID was "Plan B."--Geopolitician (talk) 12:01, August 6, 2022 (EDT)
Leaving aside the covid comments, that is a very good and astute analysis. Fauci's covid shenanigans and machinations had roots pre-2019, including Fauci and Ron Klain's declaration at Georgetown University on January 11, 2017 (10 days before Trump's swearing in) that a pandemic would ultimately defeat Trump. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:58, August 6, 2022 (EDT)
Okay let's agree to disagree on the origin of COVID for now, and go back to Hong Kong.
The original reason behind the protests was the extradition bill. That bill died, but the demonstrations not only continued, but also turned violent. Then, the demonstrators began flying American flags in the streets and demanding that American troops be deployed into Hong Kong to protect them. Put those facts together with the fact that Western NGOs had been meeting with the demonstration leaders, and it becomes painfully obvious that these were no longer mere demonstrations, but an attempted color revolution. The end goal was no longer to have the extradition bill killed, but to overthrow the Hong Kong government and replace it with one which would declare the islands an independent nation. A move which would result in a CCP military intervention and China becoming subject to the same sanctions and containment which Russia had been subjected to since 2014. And thus, more money for the military industrial complex, and renewed "credibility" for the Deep State warmongers.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:10, August 7, 2022 (EDT)
I don't know how you connect the dots between China quelling a riot in its own territory (which it did) and China being sanctioned (which it was not). In fact, China was rewarded with WTO status after it killed thousands of its own people (democracy protesters) in the Tiananmen massacre. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:12, August 7, 2022 (EDT)

Zelensky's cooked

WaPo did a hit piece on him, how he's turning the country into an autocracy and embezzling aid funds intended for cities. Amnesty International accused him of war crimes. Jake Sullivan says people are trying to assassinate him (who? the CIA? Ukrainian Nazis? domestic political rivals? Surely not the Russians; they gained more territory under his leadership than they set out to back in February.) That's why Zelensky called Xi, cause he knows NATO and the US are about to sell him down the river as the fall guy for NATO's disastrous defeat at the hands of Russia. This talk of labeling Russia a state sponsor of terror means Lindsey Graham sees the writing on the wall - the U.S. lost and Russia won the Battle of Ukraine in the ongoing war. If that happens, I see a full break in diplomatic relations. Russia should retaliate and declare the Democrat Party a terrorist organization. There's plenty of recent and ongoing evidence for that.

With Zelensky gone, there is hope for peace negotiations. That's why the U.S. and NATO are disposing of him. But it's up to Putin to talk, and he has no reason to talk until the mission is completed. RobSZ+ 03:55, August 6, 2022 (EDT)

China's playing both sides of the Ukraine crisis because it sees both Russia and the US as enemies and wants to make sure neither of them comes out of the crisis too powerful. Why Zelensky trusts him is beyond me, unless of course he knows something we don't.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:05, August 6, 2022 (EDT)
Zelensky's looking for asylum. The NATO Nazi knives are out for him. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:28, August 6, 2022 (EDT)
Incidentally, the Russian MOD has already named the U.S. Democratic Party in collusion with Big Pharma in illegal medical experiments on Ukrainian citizens in U.S.-run bioweapons labs.
Another point: the Russian withdrawal from the Kyiv region had two purposes: (1) to hunt down locations of Ukrainian Nazi leadership and wanted criminals; (2) to take possession of documents from U.S. bioweapons labs in the Kyiv region. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:42, August 6, 2022 (EDT)

War has a tendency to increase authoritarianism in a country. Abraham Lincoln waded into some authoritarianism during the Civil War. I cite which says about Lincoln: "On April 27, 1861, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus between Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia to give military authorities the necessary power to silence dissenters and rebels. Under this order, commanders could arrest and detain individuals who were deemed threatening to military operations."[6] But to be fair, Ukraine had some problems with authoritarianism and corruption before the war.

As far as the Washington Post piece As war grinds on, old Ukrainian political divisions are reemerging, it's normal to have some divisions during tough times and during non-tough times. But the general rule is outside pressure increases solidarity. So during the initial phase of the war, it's not surprising there was increased solidarity in the country of Ukraine, but now that the Russians are not making the progress they were previously making, that solidarity is beginning to wane. I will also point out that Abraham Lincoln had his critics in the north and the Apostle Paul had some contention with Barnabas (Acts 15:36-41).

The War in Ukraine and the politics of Ukraine are still too early to call as wars are hard to predict. But if someone held a gun up to my head and absolutely forced me to predict, I think a frozen conflict with some flashes of hostilities will eventually develop with Russia keeping Crimea and part of Eastern Ukraine (and possibly some of southern Ukraine).

3 Russian Generals were just sacked[7] and Russia is not making the big gains it made earlier now that Ukrainians have better artillery/rockets. On the other hand, winter is coming and Russia can inflict economic pain on NATO countries by holding back Russian gas and oil to Europe. Conservative (talk) 00:26, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

(ec) Your uninformed and reading too much CIA/MSM propaganda. Russia is advancing on Kharkiv and Nikolaev right now (Nikolaev means Odessa is next, leaving Ukraine a landlocked rump state). The Adviivka fortress - built like the Maginot Line since 2014, has finally been broken through. The Seversk-Bakhmut line is crumbling. Once Slovyansk and Kramatorsk are taken, there is nothing standing between those two cities and Dneipr.
In the south, Ukraine promised a counteroffensive on Kherson to justify all the aid it received from the West. They've amassed 200,000 untrained people, convicts, reserves, conscripts, and local people pressed into service. They have no armored vehicles or artillery. Desertions of whole units are occurring (outside Avdiivka, Ukraine killed a whole brigade of its own forces who were trying to retreat). Ukraine has had at least 1,000 men per day KIA for the last two days, sending untrained infantry on foot into artillery fire. This is inhumane. And Zelensky is doing it just to please his Western masters.
The Russian Army has never adopted "blitzkrieg" tactics as the U.S. did after WWII. They don't look for quick gains. They are methodical in gaining territory, doing cleanup operations, de-mining, and don't give back territory they take (contrast that with what the U.S. did in Iraq & Afghanistan - they gave it all back). You need to stop listening to Western & Pentagon analysts - they don't know squat.
The pattern is the same since February - Ukrainian "victories" are lied about and exaggerated, and Russian gains go unreported. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:00, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Turkey, a NATO country, seems to be playing both sides of the Russia vs. NATO conflict: Alarm mounts in western capitals over Turkey’s deepening ties with Russia. The Turkish Radio and Television Corporation, which is the national public broadcaster of Turkey, recently released the video 'Fatigued' West may lose interest in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 00:49, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
That's nothing new; I asked back in 2015 why was Turkey buying a Russian S-400 system, to shoot down Russian planes? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:00, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
There's a teachable moment here regarding Turky/Russian relations, the military weapons trade, and the future of the multipolar world that can be extrapolated and applied to many future events. At the start of the war, Turkey was supplying Bayraktar drones to Ukraine, which had some success until April 2022 when Russia shot down 14 in one day (i.e., any new "wunderwaffen" never lasts long cause the opposing side figures out its vulnerabilities). So now here's a relatively successful high-tech weapon, with some vulnerabilities, that is Turkey's primary weapon for sale on the international weapons market (due to certain limitations imposed by international conventions, not any country that wants to make and sell armaments can be "legally" licensed to sell military weapons on the open market. The weapons trade is a cartel dominated by the U.S., Russia, China, UK, France, Israel, and few others. Germany and Japan, for example, are prohibited from competing). So, after these Turkish built Bayraktar drones killed Russian soldiers, and Russia figured out its vulnerabilities, Putin and Erdogan are now discussing manufacturing a new, upgraded Bayraktar in Russia. The Turkish government invested a lot of money to develop the Bayraktar and get a toehold in this new area of the international arms trade, but Russia destroyed the Bayraktar company's reputation after a few weeks in combat, and sales plummeted. Now Putin is offering a helping hand to the guy who helped kill Russian soldiers, cause they both have a common interest in developing an effective drone weapon in a highly competitive market. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:56, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

As far as the Ukrainians/Russians both committing atrocities, I am not a military historian by any means, but I do know the USA was tarnished by the Mỹ Lai massacre during the Vietnam War. My guess is that modern wars are often vicious and cause atrocities on both sides.

I will never forget the testimonies of WWII soldiers serving on the hellish Pacific front against the fanatical Japanese who point out that: soldiers become part of a killing machine and men are desensitized[8]; soldiers often hate the enemy and are taught to hate the enemy[9], and war is hell and civilians don't understand how hellish wars can be[10]. Conservative (talk) 01:21, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

(ec)What has happened in Ukraine, and is never reported in the West (which they allege is a "democracy"), Ukraine has adopted an old-school Nazi/Soviet-style structure. By contrast, Russia implemented many reforms after 1991.
In Ukraine, they're are two types of armed forces in the field - a direct copy of the Nazi SS and German Wehrmacht. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are under command of the Ministry of Defense. The Neo-Nazi battalions are under command of the Ministry of the Interior (this would be somewhat analogous to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security having its own armed services.) In both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, the SS existed to compel the German Wehrmacht to do the Nazi Party's will (the German Army officer corps was staffed with many non-Nazis). In the Soviet Union, the KGB and SMERSH was staffed with party commissars to compel the Red Army to do the CPSU's will (like Nazi Germany, the Red Army officer corp was staffed with many non-party members). Ukraine uses exactly such a system now, today.
The SBU functions exactly like the Gestapo against civilians during WWII, and exactly like Red Army commissars did - killing officers and soldiers who refuse to follow orders from Kyiv.
It's a cultural thing Ukrainians have lived with for nearly a century, and accepted. And like the Weimar Republic, Ukraine has not had enough time to fully "democratize" since 1991. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:26, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
I am not a big fan of Ukraine or Russia, but I see some positive things in each country (For example, the Ukrainian/Russian Orthodox Churches both have some positive aspects) and Russia has some positive things about its past and present culture (Russia rejects the homosexual agenda, contemporary Russian women reject Western feminism to a greater degree[11], chess, ballet, literature, etc.). Conservative (talk) 01:39, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) In structure, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were virtually identical (while party ideology was divergent):
This is a very different structure from traditional Angelo-American armed forces. And the Maidan regime and SBU are CIA allies. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:42, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Imagine, if Merrick Garland was given armed hit squads with tanks and helicopters to kill U.S. Department of Defense officers and personnel who refused to follow White House orders. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:45, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
So, while Russia has taken steps forward toward that golden utopia and Emerald City of "democracy" and transparency in government since 1991, Ukraine and the United States have taken steps backward toward repression and totalitarianism.
Frankly, critics who accuse Putin of running Russia the way Clinton ran Arkansas make me wanna puke. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:01, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

Zelensky is nowhere close to being "cooked". And despite many Western propagandists saying Putin is "cooked", he is not close to being toppled at this point. Maybe if the war in Ukraine drags on and on and on, the populaces of the respective countries will have a ton of war fatigue and look unfavorably upon their leaders. But that time is not now. Conservative (talk) 10:36, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

The war is not "dragging on and on". Russia has already won it. NATO is prolonging it and causing needless slaughter of civilians and conscripts. The handwriting is on the wall: Zelensky has been set up as the fall guy with the reporting the New York Times, WaPo, Amnesty International, and International Criminal Court changing the narrative and criticizing him. NATO's primary purpose has been accomplished: disposing of Poland, Romania, Czechia, the Baltics and other former Warsaw Pact Soviet weapons stockpiles so they can be re-equipped with F-15s and Abrams Tanks after disposing of their MIGs and T-72s. NATO and the MIC gained two customers, while losing a third (Ukraine).
That, for them, is a victory. Additionally, the U.S. MIC will expand to force standardization between the major armaments manufacturers in Norway, Germany, UK, France, etc. Again, simply cause you swallow Western propaganda narratives wholesale - that ignore Russian victories - doesn't mean they haven't happened. Ask yourself, How come there is virtually no Western journalists reporting from the Russian side of the line? How come Western media cuts n pastes Ukrainian media verbatim, despite having been proven in error time and time again? Has this ever happened before in any previous conflict?" It is as if Western media is reporting as fact everything that came out of Baghdad Bob's mouth.
We live in a new era. The Millennial generation news-consuming public have been raised since birth by Hollywood & the public school system to be total idiots, which is nowhere reflected more clearly in their swallowing MSM/Big Tech/IC BS and propaganda uncritically. C'mon, I know you are not one of them. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 10:59, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Any news consumer for whom this crap is targeted, and the media outlets reporting it, that believes Ukraine ever had a chance to defeat Russia , will believe anything - like a man can become a woman. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 11:08, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
How come Russian media is censored, whereas Russians have full access to Western media (a complete reversal of roles since the Cold War)?" RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 11:17, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Three reports in just the past 24 hours from independent India geopolitical analysts:
US will no longer support Zelensky now.
The officials spoke the truth; now Zelensky is after their lives.
Biden never expected it from his trusted aide.
This is not "Russian propaganda". This independent reporting from the new, anti-colonial multipolar world. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 11:38, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Hmm, this was 5 days before the Russian incursion when Zelensky was murdering the civilians of Donbas with heavy artillery weapons. CNN didn't report it.
A fourth. This ain’t no Stockholm syndrome. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:05, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Analysis of the above: the recent internal purges are directly related to compiling the Amnesty International report which condemned the Zelensky regime for war crimes. Zelensky is firing people whose job is to speak with Western media & NGOs and who said the wrong thing. Some of them now fear for their lives. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:04, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Russia made the choice to pour its troops into Ukraine. Well, the enemy has a vote. So Ukraine/NATO might drag this war on and on. Aggression has consequences! Conservative (talk) 12:54, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
The United States performed an aggressive act with the illegal Maidan coup and installing a fascist regime; Ukraine performed an aggressive act when it began killing ethnic Russians in Donbas in March 2014. Ukraine announced its intention to attack the Russian Federation in March 2021 (two months after the Biden junta was installed). Under Article 51 of the UN Charter, nations are entitled to collective self-defense (which supposedly is what NATO is, at least before it got into the aggressive war business in Serbia, Afghanistan, and Libya) and pre-emption against ethnic cleansing (the Samantha Power doctrine of Responsibility to Protect or R2P) the justification for the Serbian and Libyan wars. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:26, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Now, as to the UN Permanent Security Council, why does white supremacist Europe have 2 votes, and Africa, Latin America, the Muslim world, the Hindu world, and much of Asia is left out? Only Russia and China are willing to speak up for the oppressed huddled masses and victims of Western fascist neo-colonial oppression, aggressive war, and exploitation. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:35, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
For 70 years, from 1944 to 2014, the Soviet Union and Russia kept Ukrainian nationalists and Nazis under wraps; in 2014 the United States let the hate-filled monster out of the bag (which it had been covertly working with organized Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi organizations since the CIA was created in 1947.) None of us are going back to that world that existed from 1941 (when Hitler invaded Ukraine and organized Ukrainian Nazi fighters) to 2014 when the US openly and brazenly empowered Nazis. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:56, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
Do you recall the outrage you felt when you saw statues of Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson torn down in the summer of 2020? The ruins you see of a massive monument in this recording of the Donetsk National Anthem was a monument to Russian soldiers who defeated Fascism. And they were torn down by U.S.-backed fascists.
I just don't think you have grasped what this war is or what it is all about. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:19, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
The argument is, "Sure, Ukraine was corrupt, so that justified Obama/Biden & Victoria Nuland installing a fascist neo-Nazi regime that bribed the Biden family with $163,000 a month. Even France and Germany, which diffused the crisis in February 2014, shrugged their shoulders 24 hours later when Nuland & McCain's Nazis took over ("F*** the EU", remember?).
This is a moral question: and decades from now neo-Nazi/Biden/NATO/EU apologists will still have to answer for. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:00, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

The reason why Europe has 2 votes is because of the golden rule. He who has the gold rules. In this world, money talks. Is this God's perfect will? No. There is going to have to be a new heaven and earth, before you will see perfect justice.

By the way, I enjoy debating with you at various times in the past because you make actual arguments. While it may bring fleeting and cheap joy to trounce a lesser debate opponent who makes pitiful excuses for his lame argumentation, it is far less satisfying. I still think that in the end, the West loses, Russia loses and Ukraine loses due to the war in Ukraine. China may lose too if Europe goes into recession and buys less goods from China.Conservative (talk) 18:18, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

Well, maybe Taiwan should be given back its seat on the Permanent Security Council and France booted off, that way China will have two votes. After all, they are the new economic powerhouse in the new multipolar world order, while Europe sinks into further self-inflicted moral, spiritual, and economic degradation. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:17, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
China is starting to crack under all their debt and all their inefficiency such as make-work ghost towns that few people live in. The real estate crisis and the effects of the zero Covid-19 policy are starting to bite. And then they will have to contend with their demographic winter because they have a rapidly greying population. And now Europe is starting to wake up to the menace that mainland China poses (unfair trade practices, intellectual property theft, silencing its critics, spying, etc.). I don't see China as being an economic powerhouse until they fix these big problems. Conservative (talk) 03:04, August 9, 2022 (EDT)
It's in those periods of economic instability were leaders often look to military action and war as a solution to their problems. Right now we have several editors working on the Falklands war, which is often cited as provoked as a distraction from Argentina's domestic political and economic instabilities. WWII followed directly on the heels of the global Great Depression, which is almost universally regarded as the solution to the economic instabilities of the 1930s. (You often hear about how recruiting stations were flooded with volunteers immediately after the Pearl Harbor attack; this had as much to do with unemployment as it did with patriotism. In more affluent times, people would be more reluctant to leave their jobs for lower paying military jobs and the risk of injury or death). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 09:52, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Much is made about Pat Tilman, who gave up a million dollar NFL contract to join the military after 9/11, comparing him to WWII patriots; however, many were like my father (although there was an element of patriotism), who quit high school for an immediate paycheck vs the prospects of no job or future with a high school diploma. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 10:04, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

War crimes

Let's carry this forward another step: the chief war crime complaint is that Ukraine hides tanks and artillery in residential apartment complexes, schools, and hospitals, making them legitimate military targets. (Then, when Russia strikes the target, the Russians are accused in Western propaganda of bombing civilians). Right now, there is somewhat of a reversal of roles being played out, or tested, in what appears to be a loophole in international rules of war and humanitarian agreements: NATO & Ukraine are shelling the Zaporyzhe nuclear power plant, claiming Russia is storing weapons and munitions there. It was supposedly a big scandal two months ago, before the Russians captured the plant, when Ukraine set administrative offices on fire in a false flag attack and claimed the Russians bombed the reactors. Now NATO and Ukraine are deliberately bombing the plant, and accusing Russia of the same thing the Amnesty International Report accuses Ukraine of doing - endangering civilian lives, while claiming they are justified cause it's a legitimate military target. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:19, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

NRC pushes to allow Ukraine shelling of Zaporozhe nuclear power plant. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:23, August 11, 2022 (EDT)

Dershowitz: The FBI abused its power by raising Mar a Lago as a first resort

See here..--Geopolitician (talk) 20:47, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

Alex Jones and the NY bodega shop worker

Jones was ordered to pay damages to the families of Sandy Hook victims for death threat they received because of false reporting. Does the shop worker at the NY bodega, who stabbed and killed in self-defense a black man assaulting him and had to flee NY because of death threats, have a case for damages because of malicious reporting? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 07:07, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

Investigating the FBI and why Congressional oversight in powerless

Before you start thinking that electing a president to fire an abusive and corrupt FBI director is a solution, or that electing a Congress this fall in a Red Wave will give the Legislative Branch oversight of the FBI (or entire IC apparatus), do some background reading on what Sundance of the Conservative Tree House calls the "Fourth Branch of Government" (the intelligence community), set up after 9/11 to protect the Deep and administrative state.

The Legislative and Judicial Branches are virtually powerless against it, and our government is not being run under the system of checks and balances you may have been accustomed to believe. Sundance does however, offer the glimmer of an outline of a way out of this unprecedent mess, including the corrupt elections we've endured.

Suggested reading:

  • "...The FBI leadership expressly believe they bear no responsibility to brief the chief executive. As long as they tell some unknown, unelected, bureaucratic entity inside the NSC their unwritten responsibility to inform the top of their institutional silo is complete. If the IC wants to carve out the Oval Office, they simply plant information inside the NSC and, from their perspective, their civic responsibility to follow checks-and-balances is complete. This is an intentional construct..."'
Note: The Biden White House denies it had knowledge of the Mar-a-Lago raid. This is impossible; the White House Counsel's office had to know. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:50, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

and for serious students, subscribe and follow Sundances's postings on the FBI & the Fourth Branch. And do as much [GO DEEP] background reading as necessary when Sundance presents a link. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:24, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

I don't know about serious students, but if anyone shares your enthusiasm for hoovering up conspiratorial guff like a dog that's just found a fresh fox turd, then yeah, Sundance is their man. ConwayIII (talk) 14:20, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
One thing for certain, if Donald Trump is reelected instead of the feeble Joe Biden, there will be a wholesale firing of lazy, conspiring government workers who don't want America to be first or to be great again! Donald Trump will be saying "You're fired" so many times, that his voice will get quite hoarse. God bless America! MAGA! Conservative (talk) 14:32, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
You need to read up on civil service system. It is virtually impossible to fire federal civil servants. They get promoted and pay raises rather than fired.
Trump may actually fade from view, as Rudy did, now that the FBI has virtually his whole life and details of his ongoing plans and business ventures on file. This includes personnel contacts - people who will be investigated, blackmailed, and smeared to prevent them from aiding Trump's election bid. He has to build a whole new personnel network, and there isn't the time. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:54, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Sundance explains here how "wholesale firing" is impossible or does not work. To thumbnail it, "President Trump would have to fire people, and keep firing people, until he gets to a person, inside that specific agency, who would comply. Now stop and be reasonable. Think about the general political ramifications to that decision." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:46, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
They already offed Bannon, Flynn, Navarro, Michael Cohen, who else? Now the FBI has a hit list of the people Trump's replaced previous staff with for 2024. As great a man and leader that Trump is, he can't do it alone. He needs a staff of people who can work unmolested by the FBI. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:12, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Don't worry, man. He'll get plenty of practice pleading the Fifth. ConwayIII (talk) 14:40, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

Mar-a-Lago raid

It's complicated, but I'll try to thumbnail in as few words as possible.

When the Mueller probe ended, Trump delegated to Bill Barr a declassification order of all Crossfire Hurricane documents. However, 10 days before that, Barr appointed John Durham to look into the origins of Trump-Russia. So another, "ongoing investigation", this time the Durham probe replacing the Mueller probe, delayed declassification.

These are the documents the FBI/DOJ does not want made public - evidence of FBI/DOJ interference in the 2016 presidential election. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:11, August 11, 2022 (EDT)

So the Mar-a-Lago documents are related to Trump's ongoing lawsuit against these persons and entities:

Hillary Clinton, Hillary for America Campaign Committee, DNC, DNC Services Corp, Perkins Coie, Michael Sussmann, Marc Elias, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Charles Dolan, Jake Sullivan, John Podesta, Robby Mook, Phillipe Reines as well as Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko, Neustar Inc., Rodney Joffe, James Comey Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmith and Andrew McCabe.

Additionally, the Mar-a-Lago documents also likely contained a fully unredacted copy of "the goldmine, the fully unredacted 99-page FISA court opinion detailing the substance of the NSA compromise by FBI officials and contractors, including the names, frequency and dates of the illegal surveillance." [12] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:34, August 11, 2022 (EDT)

Ah, man. A new fan fiction project is born. You make it look so effortless, too. ConwayIII (talk) 23:18, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Live on in bliss. A man can become a woman. Ukraine can defeat Russia. And America is still a democracy. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:42, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Modern American elections are often won by rallying turnout of the base rather than changing minds. The MAGA base is fired up and Trump had record donations due to the raid of Trump's home. In addition, the Democrats succeeded in making Trump more of a sympathetic/martyr-like figure to some. In addition, independents are not going to like this Gestapo, banana republic tactic because Americans cherish personal freedom. Joe Biden and his advisors are brilliant! This is going to backfire.
Newton's law of politics, for every political action, there is an opposite reaction. The enemy always has a vote. Game on! Conservative (talk) 23:49, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
There's two subsidiary events already: (1) a warning that the MAGA base may turn violent because of the raid (a) an attack on an FBI office (which may be a false flag); (b) condemnation of the attack and threats by Reichsfuhrer Christohper Wray; (2) a Politico poll saying 49% of the American people support the raid vs 37% who oppose it. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:56, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
The raid on Trump's house will help for the midterms, but a lot of this is superfluous. James Carville's famous adage is: "It's the economy, stupid." And Joe Biden's economic plan and energy plan both stink. In addition, on the bread and butter cultural issues like race/gender, the GOP is doing much better because of "critical race theory" and trangenderism which is why Glenn Youngkin won his governor's race in Virginia. Things like January 11 and the raid on Trump's house have less and less relevance as time progresses. People care about January 11 far, far less now and by the 2024 presidential election, the raid on Trump's house will have much less importance.
People's favorite radio station is WIIFM which is "What's in it for me?". The economy affects them. Trangenderism affects the mom or daughter of the family who walks into the women's bathroom or who might be into athletics. It is true that if Trump's home isn't safe from the government, then neither is yours, but that is less close to home. Conservative (talk) 08:43, August 12, 2022 (EDT)

Mar-a-Lago: warrant and probable cause

U.S. Federal Magistrate Bruce E. Reinhart signed the Mar-a-Lago raid warrant.

I'm puzzled about the search warrant because, to get one, the investigator must meet a double burden of probable cause: that (i) a crime was committed and (ii) this search will find evidence. In this case, three possible offenses are mentioned: espionage, obstruction, and illegal (document) possession. Does that mean the double burden was met in all three cases, or just one? If the latter, what the heck are the other two doing on the warrant? But if the former, what on earth kind of evidence or testimony can the Feebs possibly have to show probably cause that Trump has committed espionage?!? Spying? Really? (And if eg the supposed 'mole' was so well-informed about what was there and where to find it, what the heck took thirty agents nine hours?)

Another question: if Trump ends up being charged then by law the basis for the warrant will be revealed in disclosure. If not, does Trump himself have to file suit to make it public, or can any news organization (say) do so once the investigation is over? -J Psircleback (talk) 13:42, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

Any charges most likely under the final clause of (d): "...or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it". Note that charging under (d) doesn't require the information to be classified, nor does it involve getting into the weeds of whether Trump's possession of the documents was initially lawful. There just needs to be "national defense" information that Trump refused to hand over in response to the June subpoena.
tl;dr: If the gov. demands possession of national defense info, it's a crime not to hand it over.
Trump's lies on this are evolving in real time, but I suspect he'll end up pleading ignorance & trying to pin the failure to comply on one of his lawyers or flunkies. I also suspect the FBI has acquired solid witness testimony to counter such a gambit. ConwayIII (talk) 15:36, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Sorry, your lawyers are not smarter than our lawyers. Trump declassified all files before he took them with him. Your cover story, that the Ghost of Kyiv found classified nuclear codes may fly with low-IQ progressives like yourself, but not with everybody else in the long run. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:47, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Wishing you the very best of luck in finding any reference to classification status anywhere in 793. ConwayIII (talk) 18:12, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Good effort to lead us down a false trail. Hint: You'd do better by understanding the declassification process. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:16, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Sorry, man. I'd forgotten what a lazy reader you suddenly become when faced with unwelcome factual content. You'll have to face up to it at some point, though: charges brought under 793 are not dependent upon the classification status of the information. ConwayIII (talk) 18:27, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Ooooooh, oh, oh, the Espionage Act. You mean like the Logan Act, which nobody has ever been successfully prosecuted under. Okay, you just keep peeing up a rope. For the rest of us, life is too short. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:20, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
As to your big discovery about "national defense" information, we debated that to death in the Hillary Clinton email scandal. Only in her case she destroyed the information in violation of the National Records Act. Presidential records however fall under the Presidential Records Act. Obama has yet to comply with transferring digital information. The Act needs updating, cause it was written for paper records. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:27, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Maybe Trump can get Hillary, Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, or Anthony Weiner's old lawyers to bail him out of this one. Kathryn Ruemmler or David Gregory's wife might be available. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:11, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
So, for your Espionage Act theory we have two options: (1) re-open the Mueller probe to prove a link to Russia; (2) investigate to see if Trump transferred, or intended to transfer any information to Hunter Biden for delivery to the Peoples Liberation Army along with the anti-vibration technology used in the F-15 & drone technology. There is a third option I suppose: perhaps Trump intended to transfer nuclear secrets to Iran after killing the Iran nuke deal. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:48, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
There is a fourth option I suppose also: Perhaps Trump's efforts to denuclearize the Korean peninsula and avoid nuclear war violated the "interagency consensus". RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:52, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
The Weiner laptop was full of "national defense" information. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:15, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Look, man: at this point, you're running around with your pants round your ankles because you're refusing to engage with the plain text of the law. Stop, please. Willful retention of national defense information. That's it. That's all the feds need to bring a charge under 793d.
Meet Hal Martin. He got nine years for willful retention in July 2019 and he was just a (very) weird NSA contractor hoarding stuff at home. No evidence he disseminated any of the information. ConwayIII (talk) 20:19, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Old news. We went over destruction of national defense information thoroughly in the Hillary email scandals. Perhaps Trump regrets firing Peter Strzok now that he needs him. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:29, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
You seem to not understand, well, anything. The president can declassify anything. The warrant reads, "records created" during Trump's term. So what's the argument now, Trump was in possession of some records not created during his term that he did not order to be declassified?
You wouldn't last long in the DOJ press office with your lame excuses. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:35, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Trump wouldn't last long with you as his lawyer. 793d says what it says, man. The text isn't going to change no matter how determined you are to add clown shoes and a big red nose to the already undignified sight of your musty old tackle flapping limply in the breeze. ConwayIII (talk) 21:05, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Sorry, but the law you cite from your fake news sources simply does not apply. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:23, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

ConwayIII, many battles are won before the first shot is fired. This is one such battle. The big government lovers G.W. Bush, Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden discredited the federal government so much with their incompetency and lack of integrity that the latest Pew Research indicates that merely 20% of the Americans trusts that the government does the right thing most of the time. That is about a 30% drop.

The Federal government has wallowed in so much mud in the last 20 years that few people believe the swine! Drain the swamp! Lock them up! MAGA! Donald J. Trump will be the next president of the USA! Conservative (talk) 22:10, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

Returning to intended topic of this sub-thread - probable cause (4th amendment) - the wording of the warrant suggests that the double-burden probably applies to any one of the three offenses rather than all of them. The key phrase refers to documents "illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. 793, 2071, or 1519." The operative word being 'or' a judge could go either way, but in this case the more liberal (pun intended) reading comes as no surprise.
In passing, it would be just swell to be able to join a mature conversation on a conservative-friendly - conservative-leaning, indeed - website without having to overlook remarks like "Ooooooh, oh, oh, the Espionage Act. You mean like the Logan Act, which nobody has ever been successfully prosecuted under[?] Okay, you just keep peeing up a rope" and other conspicuously unseemly and embarrassing lapses of tone; call me over-sensitive. -J Psircleback (talk) 03:43, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Pardon me. Never interrupt your opponent(s) when they're in the process of self-destructing. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:02, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
But we do owe a debt of gratitude to yourself and Conway for giving us a glimpse into the thought process of DOJ Trump haters who take themselves too seriously, if anyone here is actually interested in such tripe redundancy. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:08, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Probable cause for these two follows logically from any evidence re. willful retention under 793. If you're willfully retaining documents you're claiming not to possess, that's also concealment (2071) and obstruction (1519).
I still think any charges are most likely under 793d alone, as it offers the cleanest route to a successful prosecution. Maybe if there's iron-clad evidence of deliberate destruction of documents, they'd pull the trigger on 2071 and 1519.
There's also a (maximally) charitable argument that natsec purposes have been served simply by securing the documents and further legal action is unnecessary. Trump's busy talking himself out of that kind of benefit of the doubt, though, so who knows? ConwayIII (talk) 13:16, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Lol, "further legal action is unnecessary." Garland: "The Department of Justice speaks through its filings." Now we get to go through it all over again. Trump gets re-elected. Trump declassifies the documents surrounding the raid. Trump leaves office in 2029 and takes the documents with him. In 2042, when the next Democrat gets elected, the DOJ raids Trump's presidential library to seize the documents. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:42, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Lol, "18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations." This is the law Kevin Clinesmith was sentenced to six months community service working the food line in a homeless shelter for defrauding the FISA court. You're doing yeoman's work restoring confidence and respect into the judicial system for the American people. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:53, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
I spoke too soon. In community service, sometimes the convict has options. For example, Clinesmith may have chosen to do Drag Queen Story Hour readings at the public library as his community service. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:57, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
I appreciate you had a lot of hope invested in Trump's recent I-totally-declassified-all-that-stuff lies, but classification status has no bearing on whether charges can be brought under 793, 2071 or 1519. Call me crazy, but it's almost like DOJ anticipated that exact line of BS from him. ConwayIII (talk) 17:15, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
You're barking up the wrong tree. The DOJ speaks through its filings, and the DOJ will never speak on this issue. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:06, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Everything you cite is applicable to the National Records Act of 1950 of the McCarthy era (Hillary emails and the Comey Memos come under those provisions, as was the case of Sandy Berger). The president is exempted from that Act, and falls under the Presidential Records Act of the post-Watergate era. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:22, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Lol, Look! Somebody even added Espionage Act of 1917 to the Wikipedia's Presidential Records Act article ==See alsos== on August 9, the day after the raid. Seriously, you guys need to do better than this. When it's obvious the 1950 law and the 1978 law will fail to CYA, they dig back to a 1917 law.RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:15, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
It's obvious what is happening. These are the facts: (1) President Trump had in his possession documentary evidence of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation damning to the DOJ and FBI - the same documents John Durham has. (2) The raid was perpetrated to cover up the evidence and hopefully find something, anything, useful to the J6 committee. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:27, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Attaboy. If in doubt, circle back to your original guff. Work in some fever-swamp rot about the super seekrit bits of Hunter's laptop & your new fan fiction is good to go. ConwayIII (talk) 21:08, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Look at the Wikipedia link above - you've reached a new low when Wikipedia reverts all the rot you're trying sell here. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:40, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
The question you should be asking yourself is the same question DOJ is asking itself right now, "What if Trump scanned files onto a thumb drive, or took pictures of certain pages with Lisa Monaco's name on it?" RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:48, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Yeah, man. Trump's such a famously patient & strategic thinker. He'd obviously sit on that stuff through a bitterly contested election, just to watch the DOJ walk right into his trap at this very moment. Gripping drama & totally plausible. No notes. Write it up. ConwayIII (talk) 22:20, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
He can't disclose it, cause it's a matter still under investigation by John Durham. Only when the Durham probe closes up shop could it have been disclosed. Now however, Lisa Monaco and John Carlin have opened a new bogus investigation, which means after Trump is re-elected, and he orders a declassification, fires Monaco, Carlin, Avril Haines, et al, and all the other bogus investigations opened between now and then are shut down, can it be made public. Meantime, Judicial Watch may be able to work around the edges to some FOIA requests.
It'll take a bi-partisan Congressional effort to shut down the FBI once and for all. So people like Henry Cuellar may have a role to play in the future. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:04, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
But c'mon. Yuz guyz narratives are getting pretty lame: "Evidence was found that President Trump was communicating with NATO ally Emmanuel Macron, hence the Espionage Act was invoked." My God, he betrayed America. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:07, August 14, 2022 (EDT)

2 impeachment attempts against Trump failed. The January 6 commission television ratings have been poor. Trump Leads Biden by 7% in SLU/YouGov Poll.[13] ConwayIII, I hope you don't take offense if I deem your latest post a big yawnfest. Yawn! Conservative (talk) 22:40, August 14, 2022 (EDT)

None taken, Ben. It's completely understandable. In other news, congrats on getting the c-word in print on Conservapedia. Many socks might've died trying over the years, but I'm sure they'll all raise a glass to you tonight. Three articles & counting ... cheers! ConwayIII (talk) 19:58, August 15, 2022 (EDT)

The Conservative Treehouse declares war on Ron DeSantis

Sundance from the Conservative Treehouse is very, very angry with Ron DeSantis right now. So much that he's actually issued an advisory warning those who support a DeSantis run for president in 2024 to unfollow him on Twitter.

The reason for this anger? DeSantis' response to the Mar-a-Lago raid. See more here.

According to Sundance, DeSantis' response was so weak that he may have committed a blunder as bad as Ted Cruz saying "vote your conscience" at the 2016 RNC convention, and perhaps seriously damaged his presidential chances going forward. Some of the comments on the article are even harsher, going as far as accusing DeSantis of intentionally allowing the raid to happen or even being directly involved in it.

Please share your thoughts below.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:17, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

Oh, what's the governor gonna do, call out the National Guard or State Police to arrest the FBI? This ain't Ukraine, you know. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:27, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Sundance says he would've preferred a more forceful response like those of Kari Lake and Anthony Sabatini.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:43, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
There's plenty of time. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:43, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
How much would you give him?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:44, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Conservatives don't react emotionally. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:34, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
This is the Fourth Turning, RobS. Emotion trumps reason in these times, even on the right. Besides, don’t we have the right to be suspicious?--Geopolitician (talk) 11:47, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
You're acting like an agent provocateur: Don’t Ignore the Threat of Right-Wing Violence in Wake of Mar-a-Lago Search; Wray condemns threats against FBI after Trump Mar-a-Lago raid; FBI Cincinnati Statement. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:19, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
It’s been nearly 80 years since the climax of our last Fourth Turning, World War II. The people who experienced, were traumatized by, and did everything they could to avoid a repeat of that war are now either dead or close to it. The current generations have no clue what it’s like to experience a Fourth Turning or a Fourth Turning climax, which is usually a crisis war. So they will keep pushing the limits of human nature until something catastrophic happens. And then the cycle will reset, but probably not before many have been killed. What will they be killed by? Who knows, other than the fact that human nature is awful.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:44, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
History is organic. It doesn't follow an academic formula. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:33, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
Of course history is not going to totally repeat itself. But it sure is going to rhyme. Because human nature has essentially stayed the same since the day God created it.
I don't know how familiar you are with Fourth Turning or Generational Dynamics, but I recommend you do some research on them. There are also forums you can visit, here and here.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:11, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
I'm interested in facts, not theories. Here's a simple maxim: Begin with facts to develop theories. Do not begin with theories to mold the facts to fit your theory. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:59, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
And where do you think those theories came from? Facts and fact patterns, with the research being done by people like Neil Howe, William Strauss, and John Xenakis. Again, do your homework on them. Read books like The Fourth Turning and Generational Dynamics. The former has to be bought, but the latter can be read for free on the respective website I shared. And again, go to the forums to expand your knowledge on them. You may be surprised what you find.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:24, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
More noise ("noise" is a term used in intelligence work to dismiss irrelevant information. You should be wary when that noise is attributed to you). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:28, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
Now you’re basically calling Howe, Strauss, and Xenakis intelligence agents. Nice. I happen to know Xenakis personally, and I’ll tell him you said that. Knowing him, he’ll probably tell me to invite you to come onto his forum as a guest, for a debate. Would you be up for that?--Geopolitician (talk) 11:22, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
I'm sure it would be interesting, but what I said in this context is, you are creating noise. There is no relationship - zero - none - of Xanakis to the Trump raid which is the subject under discussion. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:30, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Okay, so the conversation drifted a bit. I'll acknowledge that one.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:35, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
I hope you learned something from this about operational political intelligence: while attempting to convert outrage from the FBI attack on Trump into a MAGA outrage attack on DeSantis, you gave away your own hand and motivations. There is a way to conduct such false flag operations, but you're being a bit too obvious and amateurish with no fall-back contingency. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:45, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
I wouldn’t have posted this topic had Sundance not written that article. What do you think his motivations were for writing it?
Also, you’re acting like I’m even trying to hide my own motivations. Yes, I want to turn this site against DeSantis, for reasons which Andy, the site owner, happens to agree with. Just because you don’t agree with what I have to say, doesn’t make me a troll, an agent provocateur, or whatever you want to call me. Especially considering the fact that I cited a source that you yourself had cited in rather glowing terms just hours before.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:34, August 15, 2022 (EDT)
If Trump and DeSantis ever meet up in a primary contest, we'll discuss it then. Til then, leave DeSantis alone to continue firing Soros prosecutors. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:17, August 15, 2022 (EDT)
Okay, if you want to remain part of the "wait and see" crowd, you can be my guest. Perfectly understandable.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:37, August 16, 2022 (EDT)

Also, let me issue my own response to the Mar-a-Lago raid, so I don't sound like a hypocrite. The CIA, FBI, NSA, IRS, and many other federal law enforcement agencies are corrupt and (probably) need to be dismantled. No cleaning house. Just dismantle the whole thing. Hopefully Trump goes that far if he's re-elected in 2024. He has every incentive to do so.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:46, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

Would take an act of Congress, probably after a lengthy bi-partisan study and detailed proposal of what to replace it with. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:34, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
I am sad to hear this about DeSantis. He might be president someday. Unless Trump is elected and picks a VP who is electable in 2028. Trump is the frontrunner in 2024. Conservative (talk) 23:35, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
If DeSantis keeps this up he won't be president someday. He'll eventually be denounced by Trump as a RINO, and that will be the end of his political career.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:08, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Keep what up? He did nothing. He's focused on his job outside the federal government. Why all the scandalmongering?
All Sundance did was call on DeSantis supporters to send him a message. No longterm breach, as you are trying to portray it. DeSantis is not the issue; the DOJ & Lavrenty Garland are the issue. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:34, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
If he wanted to merely calm on DeSantis supporters to send a message, he wouldn’t have posted that tweet demanding the “DeSantis 2024” crowd to unfollow him.--Geopolitician (talk) 11:47, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Do you really think DeSantis is that stupid, that he does not know he is #2 on Biden/Garand's hit list? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:28, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
How do you know he’s the #2 target?--Geopolitician (talk) 11:47, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Why would you grant Biden/Garland good faith that he is not? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:12, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Because DeSantis is anti-Trump.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:44, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
Donald Trump is 73 years old. The presidential election is 27 months off. If Donald Trump drops dead of a heart attack and DeSantis becomes the frontrunner and nominee, how do plan to walk back all your garbage and salvage you own reputation and credibility? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:05, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
First off, Donald Trump is 76, not 73. Second, if Trump drops dead of a heart attack or something, I'll instantly switch gears and tout a Rand Paul and/or Tulsi Gabbard candidacy (DeSantis ought to stay far away from challenging them as well). Hell, I may end up doing that even if Trump does end up running, because I have doubts that Trump has learned the lessons he needed to learn from the rookie mistakes made during his first term.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:06, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
That's all fine and good, the problem is, as of now neither Trump or DeSantis are running. You're giving away your hand as a political operative. You ought to either being doing work on the geopolitical/foreign policy front, or domestic front with FBI abuses. Elsewise, you're just trolling and tossing noise into what is a confusing situation for many people, to create more noise. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:55, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

On another note, why is DeSantis employing an agent of Deep State puppet Mikheil Saakashvili as his press secretary?[14]--Geopolitician (talk) 12:13, August 11, 2022 (EDT)

The tone is turning negative at the Gateway Pundit too (the comments, not the article).[15]--Geopolitician (talk) 13:11, August 11, 2022 (EDT)

You're trolling again. Just go back to keeping us informed about Iran and stay out of Republican party politics. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:14, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
You need to focus on the news, such as Merrick Garland allegedly asking the court to unseal the warrant, and stop trolling us with excess noise about DeSantis or any other potential GOP presidential candidate. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:40, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
I'm well aware of Merrick Garland's criminal behavior in relation to the Mar-a-Lago raid, and I'm 100% onboard impeaching that anus. But do you not understand the importance of the 2024 election? If 2020 wasn't America's last chance before total collapse, 2024 will be. There won't be another chance in 2028. So there needs to be talk about 2024, and a lot of it, even though yes, we're not even halfway through Biden's term. Because if we screw this up, there's no coming back from it. I cannot stress that enough, especially since many conservatives have been falling for for what I strongly suspect to be a trojan horse candidate for the GOP Establishment.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:22, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, good. Then do some work on Neustar, which evidently was in the boxes at Mar-a-Lago and interfered in the 2020 election, and stop playing the role of DNC operative and hitman. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:28, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
I’m open to the possibility the raid had to do with Neustar. I’m also open to the possibility that it has to do with North Korea. Alternatively, I’m open to the possibility no boxes were taken at all, except those which were planted in advance by whoever was the “informant.” Either way, that doesn’t change the big picture. The FBI is corrupt, perhaps beyond redemption. We all know this. But what many people here *don’t* know is that DeSantis gave a weak response to its corruption.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:44, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
You're just creating noise. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:53, August 12, 2022 (EDT)

Follow-up article by Sundance.--Geopolitician (talk) 11:14, August 14, 2022 (EDT)

DeSantis slams FBI raid, Merrick Garland, Anthony Fauci.
Well duh. Rather than pile on where his voice gets lost in the noise, DeSantis spreads his comments out over time before raid fatigue sets in, claims his own headline, and keeps the issue alive. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:14, August 15, 2022 (EDT)
That's... an interesting interpretation of his actions. Although having seen his TPUSA speech the other night he still seems to be wanting to distance himself from the Trump element of it, framing the issue as a general violation of civil rights as opposed to a target political persecution of a specific individual. I mean he's technically not wrong in his description of the raid, but still. Meanwhile, Sundance doesn't seem to be buying that theory, given this tweet here.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:37, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
Big deal. So DeSantis' Trump worshipping isn't up to your standards. To his own master he rises and falls. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:33, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
You don't seem to understand Sundance's criticism. Go to the CTH site and search the Archives for "GOPe". That is what Sundance is discussing. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:37, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
I know exactly what perspective Sundance is criticizing DeSantis from. He, along with I and many others, suspects DeSantis is covertly allying with the GOPe against Trump.
And do I have to say it again? I would prefer a Rand Paul-Tulsi Gabbard ticket over Trump running again. That alone should tell you that I'm not doing this because "I worship Trump."--Geopolitician (talk) 12:59, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
"Conspiring"? Not necessarily. There's a thing called "contingencies". That's why we have an Office of Vice President. What if Zelensky adds Trump to the SBU's hit list? The government of Ukraine tried to take Trump out in 2016 when it colluded with the DNC to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:33, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

Fall of the Republic

There is no precedent in American history for anything like the FBI raid on Mar-a-Largo, but we can look to Roman history. In 52 BC, Titus Annius Milo, a supporter of Pompey, was exiled for the killing of Clodius, a henchmen of Caesar's. After this, Milo's supporters wanted revenge on Caesar. As long as Caesar held office, he was immune from prosecution. When his term as governor of Gaul was up in 49 BC, Caesar took his army across the Rubicon, marched on Rome, and had the Popular Assembly declare him dictator. What about those citizens who were too afraid of Caesar's soldiers to attend the assembly or to vote? "Silence implies consent," said the dictator. Granting dictatorial powers had precedent in Roman history as a way to deal with an emergency, so Caesar was still nominally a Republican. Within the next few years, however, he had issued coins with his title given in an unconstitutional manner: "dictator for life." He was also preparing to declare himself a god when he was assassinated. PeterKa (talk) 12:09, August 11, 2022 (EDT)

We ceased being a Republic decades ago. We are now an Empire, in all but name. We even have a de facto God-Emperor, called the President. The office has essentially been deified, and the nation has become pagan. God Save the Republic, but God Damn the Empire.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:50, August 12, 2022 (EDT)

Bill Gates will kill us all

Bill Gates is back in the news giving his money to his foundation and erasing himself from from the Forbes billionaire list.

Remember how we all hated Gates back in the 1990s? That was just because he got incredibly rich selling the worst software on the market. What was Windows? Unix, but slower and with more bugs. Microsoft Office was Geoworks, but less user-friendly and less capable. But if it was from Microsoft, it was the industry standard and you had to buy it.

Now it seems that Gates may get the last laugh and that he will soon be in a position to kill us all. Gates is the second biggest funder of the the World Health Organization, after the United States government. WHO gave us the covid panic while whitewashing China's involvement. I say not a dime more for this corrupt group until they admit Taiwan as a member. I don't think it is coincidence that Peter Daszak, financier of coronavirus genetic engineering, met Wuhan bat lady Shi Zhengli at a Gates-funded conference in 2019.

Gates also funded the bogus projections by Imperial College that triggered the lockdowns. No, Gates isn't making money off covid vaccines. Even if he owned every covid patent, that would bring in only $40 billion. He has spent more than that on vaccine research. He did buy up a lot of assets, notably farmland, when prices were low. Despite his pandemic profiteering, I assume his motive is something else. He wants to create a frankenvirus that will kill us off and reduce the global population.

When you can become richer as a philanthropist than you ever could as a businessman, something is wrong the laws concerning non-profit status.

Of course there is a Jeffrey Epstein connection. Bill's wife Melinda complained of this during the divorce proceedings. As far as the public record is concerned, Epstein was just helping Gates with his taxes. This was, I should add, after Epstein's 2008 conviction for sex trafficking. So far, no one has gone on record to explain exactly what the problem was.

See "When billionaires like Bill Gates give away 'virtually all' their wealth, where does it go?" and "Why I hate Bill Gates." PeterKa (talk) 18:55, August 12, 2022 (EDT)

Joe Biden will not be the next president of the United States. The 13 keys to a U.S. president being reelected

History professor Allan Lichtman developed a model with 13 keys/factors that has accurately predicted every US presidential race since 1984. So far Joe Biden is weak as far as these keys: #6, #8, #10, #11 and #12. Major news publications and some Democrats have been talking about someone else running than Joe Biden in 2024 so Biden is weak on key #2 so far. The 2022 midterms will reveal key #1, but so far it favors the GOP so Biden is weak on key #1. And some of the other keys relate to post 2022 midterm events. The GOP frontrunners Trump/DeSantis are largely polarizing rather than charismatic or national heros so Biden wins on key #13 (But Trump is funny and his base loves him). But with the FBI raid on Trump's home the GOP has rallied around Trump so I doubt DeSantis will win the nomination.

When five or fewer keys are false, the incumbent party wins; when any six or more are false, the challenging party wins. Conservative (talk) 22:18, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

Rand Paul: Repeal the Espionage Act

Per Rand Paul's Twitter:

The espionage act was abused from the beginning to jail dissenters of WWI. It is long past time to repeal this egregious affront to the 1st Amendment.

Personally I would second this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts too.

Original tweet

Article cited

--Geopolitician (talk) 15:39, August 14, 2022 (EDT)

Propaganda update

Comment on the above: Yes, this could be called a "hostage video." What's missing from this narrative is, this woman possibly was arrested by Putin's forces for protesting the war in Moscow. She probably was sentenced to community service and required to visit Donbas as terms of her rehabilitation agreement (kinda like J6 prisoners being forced to read Critical Race Theory in their spare time a sole form of entertainment). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:04, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

Zelensky's domestic political crisis

Edited transcript:

There are a lot of accusations in Ukraine internally of Ukrainian president, that he knew that Russia was going to attack starting from about September-October time frame. To be fair, probably was even much earlier. It was very clear since about April 2021 that attack is imminent. But the point is, that he knew all of the details how the Russian troops were going to be attacking and so on. And he received precise Russian plan of attack in the end of January. At the same time internally, the message to the population was 'Russia is not attacking us. Keep going. Keep moving. Keep working. Don't pay attention to all of this. Everything is wonderful and fine.'
So, as a result, many people believed that and were relaxed, and the tragedies that happened to civilian population in Ukraine are largely blamed for these messages that were effectively causing unnecessary deaths among civilian population. So out of that, there is a lot of internal discussion or accusations of the president and his group of people, which always includes Yermak, and then Arestovich. There is one more. His name is Arahamiya. So they were basically sort of refuting all of this, you know, information that the Russian attack is imminent. So now they actually came out with a very pathetic explanation of why they were doing it. The explanation was, 'Okay, if we didn't do it, Ukraine would fail within three days.' That just kind of gives us very good feeling about the sort of moral compass of this person who does that, and in our opinion, it's totally disgusting and disrespectful to Ukrainian population.
So we just want to bring this so everybody sort of is aware that the Ukrainian president is not viewed the same way internally the way it's sort of portrayed by the let's say Western media and sort of the sole defender of Ukraine in Ukraine. It's very clear, majority of population is fighting not for Ukrainian president but for their own self-determination. And in many ways, he's not part of that equation of self-determination. You can almost say this is basically like a free writer [free lancer?] who basically uses people's desire for freedom to his own advantage.
So this is just one political piece of information that we would like to share so you have better understanding of sort of internal politics. We are trying to prepare discussion of how Russian propaganda is trying to portray the situation in Ukraine to the conservatives in the West, and most specifically in the US. We didn't discuss it in early August. President of Hungary went to the US and he met with representative from the CPAC. I think it's called the Conservative Political Action Committee. So basically, it's just an influential political group that defends conservative agenda. And there basically Orban was relaying the message on behalf of the Russian president. Not so much even Russian president. It's really just Russian top where essentially they were trying to appeal to the conservatives, by basically saying 'Okay, we of the same kind, was the same blood in, you know, in Ukraine.' This is, you know, uh, people in Ukraine completely, I would say, uh, on the opposite spectrum of conservatism, and therefore, you 'shouldn't be supporting them'. And as we all know there is election coming up in the US in November. So the Russia's propaganda hope is that one. And basically, the idea is that a Republican Party which, uh, to great extent represents this conservative use will win. And that will allow Russia to influence the actions of the US and basically stop support of Ukraine, because the message is, 'Okay, you're supporting corrupt Ukraine president, corrupt Ukrainian government.' So it's always conveniently being admitted that the support is actually, it is support for Ukrainian population who fights for its own freedom. So this is hopefully kind of more or less clear that, so the big picture, big game that's being played by all different actors.
And you know if you have questions I'll try to make it clear if I haven't made it clear. Hopefully this is not confusing to everyone. Hopefully everybody kind of more or less understands what I'm trying to say. And I'll try to discuss this later once I get a little bit more time in more detail this whole sort of because we approaching this November elections where probably the Democratic majority will lose its majority. And so, uh, and there will be probably changes because, uh, Republican majority, uh, probably still largely in support of Ukraine because a lot of them still understand that this is not, sort of where, it's not regional war between Ukraine and Russia. This is more of Russian attempt to challenge status quo and status quo of America in the world. And so there is that clear. But there is also strong group within the Republican party that sort of more sides with this, uh, isolation isolation isolationists. Sorry. They tried to be a isolation. Basically, they would like to isolate themselves and the US and sort say, 'Oh, we're going to focus on internal problems,' which is very convenient for Russia and for Russian war machine, because obviously that leaves Ukraine pretty much defenseless against the current Russian attack.
So again, this was just a little bit of preview. But the most important part of it is this absolutely disgusting message by Ukrainian president who actually tried to justify his own lies, that the lies are for the good of everyone, and otherwise it would have been even worse. And this is, we review this as completely unacceptable."

Comment: So, there you have it - straight from a CIA propagandist in his daily update who speaks with what sounds like a fake Polish accent. The CIA has given up on Zelensky, and is worried about the midterms. Zelensky will probably be out by November, if not any day now. This will fit nicely in Conservapedia proven right, since I've been reporting on it since early June. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 05:33, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

Additionally: Although we have no inflation report from Ukraine yet, my guess is it's got to be about 100% right now, being the estimates are that GDP has shrunk 50% since February. The dollar is probably in most usage right now (even moreso than the Euro), but pensions, etc. are still paid in local currency. Pumping more dollars into Ukraine will only add to dollar inflation inside the country, since nothing is being produced. This adds to Zelensky's plunging approval.

Here in the U.S., inflation is a godsend if it adds to displeasure with the war in the U.S., cause about 700 Ukrainians are being needlessly and senselessly slaughtered daily now for the past 3 months because of the %$#@ 7$&@@@$% running this country and NATO. They may never stand trial for their crimes, but they are the ONLY reason this insane slaughter continues. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:55, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

OK. So it's now your considered opinion that:
  1. Putin always intended a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
  2. The Russians lied through their teeth about this for months.
  3. US intelligence penetrated the highest levels of Russian decision-making and obtained exquisite detail about the invasion plans.
  4. The Biden administration was spot-on in their explicit warnings an invasion was imminent.
  5. Zelensky was negligent in failing to prepare for this entirely foreseeable act of Russian aggression.
  6. The Ukrainian people are fighting a just war for their right to "self-determination".
Your fan fiction is gonna need some rewriting, my man. ConwayIII (talk) 10:13, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
It's not my opinion. The above text is a CIA report in English in open source.
  1. Putin didn't. The Russian power centers have always had this contingency.
  2. The CIA lied through its teeth for months.
  3. Not only that, Russian power centers and military provided the full details voluntarily.
  4. Yes.
  5. Yes, Ukrainian public opinion now reads Zelensky was negligent.
  6. The just war theory and "self-determination" are the talking points to use after the fall of Zelensky and House Democrats.
That's my analysis of the current propaganda points issued by the CIA. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:22, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Here's my opinion: the people of Donbas, like the people of Taiwan, are fighting for the right of "self-determination." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:31, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
I'm old enough to remember the Biden administration's warnings re. invasion being dismissed as NATO warmongering on these very pages. What's got you so spooked you're trying this weird, incoherent pivot, man? ConwayIII (talk) 17:40, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Here's the biggest flaw in Western/CIA propaganda - the notion that Putin is a crazed dictator. He's not. He's a moderate voice who presents the consensus view of a collective leadership. The idea that without Putin, the world would be safe for cheap food, fossil fuels, and transgender democracy is just bs. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:52, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

The coming scenarios are pretty clear: Zelensky gets ousted, GOP takes over the House and gridlock spending sets in. What makes August right now different from a month ago is, the Russians seem more in a mood to talk right now. What's more obvious is, the Russians will continue taking territory to place their gains out of HIMAR range. The idea of withdrawing from Crimea, Donbas, Zaporozhye or Kherson - forget it. The Russians will not even accept talk like that as entering negotiations in good faith.
The $53 billion appropriated by Congress will continue insurgent and sabotage resistance operations for years after a formal surrender and demilitarization of Ukrainian armed forces. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:17, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Back in the real world, of course, the Russians took the bait & have now massed their forces where their supply lines are longest & most vulnerable, and where there's capable & determined partisans target spotting across the entire rear area. Your boys should've stuck to trying to grind it out in the Donbas. Slovyansk & Kramatorsk say hi, btw. ConwayIII (talk) 21:12, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Slovyansk & Kramatorsk are Russian cities where, according to Ukrainian frontline sources, can't wait for their Russian liberators and to fly the Russian flag. The Siversk-Bakhmut line is crumbling right now. Desertions are 33%.
The Ukrainian regime is playing a shell game: they sent 200,000 untrained conscripts, up to 70 years old, to the front with 30 rounds of ammunition and an AK-47. On foot. No Armour. No artillery. The Russians have no interest in killing these people. So it's become a shell game of hunting down mechanized Ministry of Interior Nazi forces and AFU Special Forces. The so-called "Kherson counteroffensive" has been canceled til next year, per London Financial Times. The encirclement of Kharkov, again another Russian city, has begun. This siege will go on throughout the winter (like Germany, they will have no food or gas heating). The only hope for humanitarian relief anywhere in Ukraine at this moment is the removal of Zelensky. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:43, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Additionally, after the Kherson & Zaporozhye referendums on Sept. 11, conscription will be introduced in those new Republics, enlarging Allied forces. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:56, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Since the beginning, the Russians were outnumbered at least 3.5 to 1. The Russians have lost a little more than 5,000 KIA. The Ukrainians have 50,000 KIA and climbing.
A little known fact about Russian forces, when you see stats that say Russia has 140,000 troops, only 50% are combat forces. The rest are support workers, cooks, medical, logistics supply, humanitarian relief workers, etc. As of right now, Russia really only has a little more than 60,000 combat fighters across the whole front; Ukraine has about 40,000 in the Donbas cauldron right now, and 200,000 on the Kherson front that can't move forward.
So the troop ratio remains at 3:1, and the kill ratio 10:1. No change. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:07, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

As far Ukraine's right to determination, it was foolish for them to talk about joining NATO. To use an analogy, I have the right to stand in front of a bull and wave a red cape. But if I do that, I should not be surprised if the bull charges at me. Ukraine does not have a huge body mass and horns so they should not pretend it is a case of a bull vs. a bull. They are country small in resources, so they should be wary of waving red capes in front of bulls. This is a case of common sense and Zelensky and/or his predecessors were foolish when they publicly declared interest in joining NATO. Conservative (talk) 12:55, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
"They" didn't talk about NATO - NATO & the US staged the illegal coup that brought the Maidan regime to power. The Obama State Department placed Russophobic Nazis in charge of the Ministry of Defense and Interior (secret police). The Russophobic Nazis received US funding and NATO assistance and training immediately, and began a war against their own civilians of ethnic Russian heritage. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:47, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
The first big battle in 2014 in the Donbas war was the "Battle for Donetsk Airport". Why was the airport of strategic value? Russia had ground access to Donbas. The Ukrainian military, which the new Maidan regime did not trust cause soldiers rebelled against the illegal regime and refused to carry out Kyiv orders to shoot ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens, also had ground access to Donbas. But the airport is of immense strategic value to NATO & the US. Without it, they couldn't carry out their mission to create a NATO base on Russia's border. Look at the videos, which Youtube censors. CIA paramilitary obviously carried out the attack. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:01, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
This is U.S. military doctrine, not Russian or Ukrainian. In any large scale operation, the U.S. must secure airbases first. It's why we have Supercarriers. The raid on Donetsk Airport was a bit too much of a giveaway, and the U.S. tipped its hand that it was directly, militarily involved in the Maidan coup. But any documents about that are still classified in Obama's presidential papers, which are not in the hands of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) yet. Neither have 30 million digital files been turned over to the National Archives. But the FBI hasn't raided Obama's place yet. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:17, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
Things disappear from the National Archives anyway. For example Spiro Agnew's resignation letter, or Hillary Clinton's FBI interview after the death of Vince Foster. In Sandy Berger's case, he got caught trying to remove evidence that he knew of the threat bin Laden posed. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:35, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
P.S. Of course, this does not excuse Russia for any of its misdeeds. But to use another analogy, if a short woman walks around at 1am in a bad neighborhood in a lightly trafficked area with a miniskirt, lots of cleavage showing and gets raped that does not excuse the rapist. He should be put behind bars or even executed. On the other hand, the rape victim should have behaved in a more precautionary manner. But with that being said, Japan's streets are a lot safer for women than streets in the West so its society is a lot healthier in this respect. I am not a fan of victim blaming, but doing things like locking your car doors, not leaving your car keys in the ignition while your car is parked, locking home doors, etc. are good practices. Nations have to use common sense too. Conservative (talk) 13:08, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

Ukraine was also foolish for hassling and committing violence against Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine. And if there are enough separatists in a region and you have a powerful and somewhat aggressive neighbor who would like the separatists to leave your country and/or become a part of the powerful/aggressive country and you are a weak country, perhaps it is best in some cases to let that region go as far as being a part of your country. Conservative (talk) 13:43, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

The shake up continues

In addition to firing Zelensky's childhood friend and business partner in entertainment productions as head of the Ukrainian Gestapo, and replacing local heads of the Gestapo offices, Zelensky may can the Defense Minister and replace him with the commander in chief of the armed forces. Zelensky's been in a tiff with the C-o-C for months, cause the top general wants to save lives of soldiers and Zelensky's just been throwing them away. So moving Gen. Zalushny to a spot where Lockheed Martin and Raytheon can bribe him directly, and shut down CIA machinations to replace Zelensky with Zalushny might head off Zelensky's removal temporarily.

Anyway, the scale of the slaughter is impossible to hide in Ukraine anymore. The hunt for fall guys is on. And the EU & Washington are getting fed up with Zelensky. The PR people in Western media haven't got the memo yet. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:09, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

Ukraine: It's time for the Europeans to step up and for the Americans to step back

Russia has about 144 million people. Europe has about 750 million people. America is deeply in debt. I would prefer that the Europeans handle this problem that is in their backyard. America should focus on fixing its internal problems and fixing its trade imbalance with China along with mitigating Chinese intellectual property theft. If China can't economically afford to attack Taiwan, it probably will not. And I would like to see the Chinese Communist Party fall. Polling shows that concern about Russia is low on most Americans' top priorities. I am a typical American when it comes to my degree of focus on Russia. Given America's astronomical amount of sovereign debt, I don't think America can afford to be the world's policeman anymore. Conservative (talk) 10:47, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

P.S. One of the causes of the French Revolution was France's economic problems. France helped fund the American Revolution which put a big financial strain on France. There is a lot of division in the USA. American needs to have a greater focus on the USA and less of a focus on Ukraine. Let the Europeans give more financial support to the Ukrainians (military aid, etc.) and America bankroll the Ukrainians less or not at all. Conservative (talk) 11:00, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Europe is bankrupt, depleted, and on a suicidal recession course. Aid & sanctions have destroyed Europe's economy. Ukrainian refugees compete with African and Muslim refugees for limited government resources, like housing, and expose the deep white supremacist nature of "Western democracies". Ukrainian male refugees are draft dodgers and bring crime and public drunkenness; Ukrainian female refugees are exploited in the sex trade. Europe not only has nothing more to give Ukraine, it's on a suicidal course directed from Washington. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:02, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Europe has the world's second largest atheist population. It's not surprising some European nations have foolish policies and a near future of demographic decline. In 2014, the Pew Research Forum indicated that Europe will go from 11% of the world's population to 7% of the world's population by 2050.[16] See: Global atheism and aging populations
As John Mearsheimer said, "Europe is a museum." Conservative (talk) 17:18, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
Wikipedia has an article entitled Ageing of Europe. Conservapedia has an article entitled Atheism symbols. New atheism symbols might be rocking chairs and wheelchairs because China, which has the biggest atheist population in the world, is rapidly aging too. Conservative (talk) 17:23, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
EU is putting Ukraine on an "ammo diet." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 11:23, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
This is so sad. By avoiding talk of Ukraine joining NATO and agreeing to Ukraine being a neutral country, all of this could have been avoided perhaps. And the libertine, gay parades in European countries didn't help Europe/Russia relations either!
I have written on European/UK decline for some time and how godlessness contributes to this. I saw this coming.
But there is some light down the tunnel. Peak secularization will hit all parts of Europe by 2050 followed by desecularization (This has already happened in some parts of Europe). But sadly, that isn't even all good news because although evangelical Christianity is growing in Europe, there are nations in Europe with sizable Muslim populations that will grow fairly quickly generation wise such as France, UK, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland and Austria. But in terms of not having sizable Muslim populations, Portugal, Spain, Ireland and East Europe have been much wiser. Muslim populations that get to 10% or over usually have problems with riots, terrorism, etc. See: What Islam Isn't - Dr. Peter Hammond
I like the UK in a lot of respects so none of this brings me joy - except for taunting evolutionists of course! Conservative (talk) 19:00, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

Pulling out the crystal ball after Washington State

The non-partisan August primary in Washington State is a much-watched predictor of the subsequent national general election. This year, the Dems were five points below where they were in 2018. In 2018, Americans nationally voted 44.8 for House Republican candidates and 53.4 for Dems. That corresponds to a national outcome this year of 50 percent Republican to 49 percent Democrat.[17] The liberal media is interpreting this as a Democrat recovery due to the recent emphasis in the news on Trump and January 6. So we can expect a lot more of that. See "Tucker Carlson: Trump ‘obviously’ going to be indicted." PeterKa (talk) 13:14, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

It's the economy, stupid

Back in May we were telling people, 'Don't worry about November. There's a Big Red Wave coming'. Now, here we are 83 days from the election, the generic ballot is in a dead heat, and the entire front page, I mean the entire front page, is plastered over with irrelevant garbage about China. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:29, August 18, 2022 (EDT)