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→Bad Fruits of Bad Eschatology: always believing end is imminent and just a few months or years away leads to defeatism and lack of long term Conservative Christian building
That's a Warning to prepare for Death, because Christ will come in Judgment to meet us when we die. It's not an excuse for defeatism or escapism. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 03:55, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
That's a Warning to prepare for Death, because Christ will come in Judgment to meet us when we die. It's not an excuse for defeatism or escapism. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 03:55, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
::[[Papias]], a very early church father who had contact with the Apostles (particulary John) was a [[premillennialism|premillienialist]].[https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=pretrib_arch][https://blog.tms.edu/early_witness_to_premillennialism] And there is strong circumstantial evidence that [[Polycarp of Smyrna|Polycarp]], who was a disciple of the Apostle John, was premillenialist.[https://appleeye.org/2015/03/01/the-premillennialism-of-polycarp/][https://blog.tms.edu/early_witness_to_premillennialism] In terms of theology, postmillenialism is a 1600s Johnny come lately eschatology. Premillenialism is a far more historically sound because it can be traced so much historically closer to the apostles.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:52, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
::[[Papias]], a very early church father who had contact with the Apostles (particulary John) was a [[premillennialism|premillienialist]].[https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=pretrib_arch][https://blog.tms.edu/early_witness_to_premillennialism] And there is strong circumstantial evidence that [[Polycarp of Smyrna|Polycarp]], who was a disciple of the Apostle John, was premillenialist.[https://appleeye.org/2015/03/01/the-premillennialism-of-polycarp/][https://blog.tms.edu/early_witness_to_premillennialism] In terms of theology, postmillenialism is a 1600s Johnny come lately eschatology.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism] Premillenialism is a far more historically sound because it can be traced so much historically closer to the apostles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:52, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::In addition, your initial post, even if true, is an [https://www.fallacyfiles.org/adconseq.html appeal to consequences] logical fallacy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:57, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
:::In addition, your initial post, even if true, is an [https://www.fallacyfiles.org/adconseq.html appeal to consequences] logical fallacy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:57, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
::::Oh God no, not another lesson in logical fallacies again. How about the, "I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about logical fallacy"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 09:27, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
::::Oh God no, not another lesson in logical fallacies again. How about the, "I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about logical fallacy"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 09:27, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
The main point is about being purposeful and optimistic in one's Eschatology, not pessimistic, escapist and defeatist. I believe the Millenium will certainly take place and Christ will work some visible signs before it to help complete the Great Commission. "Postmillennialism holds that Jesus Christ establishes his kingdom on earth through his preaching and redemptive work in the first century and that he equips his church with the gospel, empowers the church by the Spirit, and charges the church with the Great Commission (Matt 28:19) to disciple all nations. '''Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of people living will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and of nations.''' After an extensive era of such conditions Jesus Christ will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously, to end history with the general resurrection and the final judgment after which the eternal order follows."[/b] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism I do not agree 100% with the above, but I think it is good, optimistic eschatology. But regardless of which school one follows, one must not be defeatist or escapist, or refuse to plan more than a few months ahead, for e.g. like 5 or 10 or 25 years ahead. It's important to ask, "Where will Christianity be in 2050, if the Lord tarries, and what can we do and build right now to help get there" instead of saying "the so-called Pre-Trib Rapture is surely going to happen by 2025/2030 anyway, so we don't need to". [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:06, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
The main point is about being purposeful and optimistic in one's Eschatology, not pessimistic, escapist and defeatist. I believe the Millenium will certainly take place and Christ will work some visible signs before it to help complete the Great Commission. "Postmillennialism holds that Jesus Christ establishes his kingdom on earth through his preaching and redemptive work in the first century and that he equips his church with the gospel, empowers the church by the Spirit, and charges the church with the Great Commission (Matt 28:19) to disciple all nations. '''Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of people living will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and of nations.''' After an extensive era of such conditions Jesus Christ will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously, to end history with the general resurrection and the final judgment after which the eternal order follows."[/b] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism I do not agree 100% with the above, but I think it is good, optimistic eschatology. But regardless of which school one follows, one must not be defeatist or escapist, or refuse to plan more than a few months ahead, for e.g. like 5 or 10 or 25 years ahead. It's important to ask, "Where will Christianity be in 2050, if the Lord tarries, and what can we do and build right now to help get there" instead of saying "the so-called Pre-Trib Rapture is surely going to happen by 2025/2030 anyway, so we don't need to". [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:06, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
:''Take no thought for the morrow. Sufficient is the day the evil thereof.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 09:43, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
:''Take no thought for the morrow. Sufficient is the day the evil thereof.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 09:43, July 13, 2024 (EDT)