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: Right, Ed. I'd add that [[leftists]] have hated Pinochet for decades because he defeated them. It's analogous to how the [[leftists]] hate other people who beat them, such as [[Nixon]] (who exposed [[Alger Hiss]]) and [[Joe McCarthy]]. [[Leftists]] do hold grudges, big time.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 19:04, 31 August 2008 (EDT) | : Right, Ed. I'd add that [[leftists]] have hated Pinochet for decades because he defeated them. It's analogous to how the [[leftists]] hate other people who beat them, such as [[Nixon]] (who exposed [[Alger Hiss]]) and [[Joe McCarthy]]. [[Leftists]] do hold grudges, big time.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 19:04, 31 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
| + | :: The two of you would do well to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet%27s_arrest_and_trial [[User:Wandering|Wandering]] 19:18, 31 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
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Wasn't Orwell, in general, just against totalitarianism, whether from the left or the right? And, especially, he showed how it could come about from either "side"? Human 03:37, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- The viewpoint of leftists is that totalitarianism can come about from either side, but they give no examples (except maybe Hitler, whose attempt failed). Leftists will do anything to justify socialism and communism, but taking away people's freedom will not bring about peace, lasting prosperity or any kind of ideal world. --Ed Poor Talk 18:58, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- Suharto. - EAB 19:08, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- No such things as conservative totalitarianism.--Aschlafly 12:56, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- Surely Augusto Pinochet of Chile leaned to the conservative side of things? In fact, the Independent Democrat Union, a party founded under his direct influence, is the largest conservative party in Chile today. - EAB 17:01, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- EAB, are you saying that Pinochet, who established democracy and voluntarily stepped down, was a "totalitarian"???--Aschlafly 18:20, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- He did have one heck of a "disappearing" act... - EAB 18:30, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- Aschlafly, did you just praise Pinochet? Democracy didn't come to Chile until the 80's, Pinochet was in power from the 70's. DLerner 18:34, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Pinochet is the poster boy (or whipping boy) for Western leftists. Supposedly he is the great example of being "right wing" and "anti-democratic". Others say that his anti-socialist coup (of 1973) ultimately preserved democracy.
He's only hated because he prevented Communism from taking over. They only criticize the "disappearances" he allegedly perpetrated, but not the murders carried out by Che Guevara or Fidel Castro, so it's actually an outstanding example of the leftist double standard.
Leftists pretend praise democracy, but they really want to take away other people's power. --Ed Poor Talk 18:55, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- Right, Ed. I'd add that leftists have hated Pinochet for decades because he defeated them. It's analogous to how the leftists hate other people who beat them, such as Nixon (who exposed Alger Hiss) and Joe McCarthy. Leftists do hold grudges, big time.--Aschlafly 19:04, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
- The two of you would do well to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet%27s_arrest_and_trial Wandering 19:18, 31 August 2008 (EDT)