Talk:Abner Louima

Rectum penetrated with a broomstick is not sexual assault. --Jpatt 16:51, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

What would you classify it as? In NYC it was viewed as a form of prison rape, but committed by the officer instead of an inmate. --DinsdaleP 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

It is aggravated assault. The same would be said if he was penetrated by a knife.--Jpatt 17:02, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Jpatt- that's nonsense. Granted, the officer did not place his penis in Louima's anus or mouth, or vice-versa, but it's not exactly the same as a heavy beating, is it? Penetration of any bodily orifice under duress is a sexual assault. BenHur 17:03, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

You want to call it nonsense, fine with me. If you think that the cop was getting his rocks off, then it is sexual assault. If a knife was placed in his rectum, would it still be called sexual? Maybe someone should pull up the charges the cop was booked with, just to be accurate.--Jpatt 17:09, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Jpatt, you're making the classic association of rape and sodomy with crimes driven by sexual desire, when they actually crimes of violence, intimidation, an dehumanization of the victim. While the Federal charges were for civil rights violations and obstruction of justice, the news accounts at the time described the broomstick assault as an incident of sodomy, not assault. --DinsdaleP 17:16, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Than I stand corrected. I can admit to being wrong.--Jpatt 17:18, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

You're respected for being open to other views, Jpatt - thanks. --DinsdaleP 17:32, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

"Becoming Very Rich"

BHarlan, in case you didn't read the accounts of the Louima incident at the jailhouse in detail, he was taken to a back room, had his hands cuffed behind his back, and was then repeatedly hit and kicked. He was then sodomized by having a broomstick violently shoved into his rectum, and then shoved into his mouth. The rectal assault caused a torn bladder and intestine, which required several surgeries to repair the damage. He also had several teeth broken when the blood-and-feces-covered broomstick was rammed into his mouth. I find it offensive and against the values of this project to portray this incident as if he suffered a minor inconvenience and was awarded a windfall for his troubles. --DinsdaleP 17:32, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

The article started as a stub. It has since expanded. If you want to help, modify the article to add detail. We are trying to build an encyclopedia here.

It's not clear how awarding someone 9 million dollars acts as a deterrent. The city did not condone the incident, and large cash awards can encourage people to go through awful injury. If you don't believe me, Google "Vernon Florida".

I am, of course, not claiming that Louima did this on purpose. My only claim is that cash awards set large precedents. Justice ends up delivered by the taxpayers, who did not injure Louima, rather than by the parties that actually did injure him.

Most importantly, however, that language had been long since removed by the time you wrote this complaint. Do you have anything constructive to offer, or are you merely here to complain? Liberal style isn't welcome here. BHarlan 19:35, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Better article elsewhere

I've tidied up the minute amount of content to make it at least of some use. However there's a far better article at Wikipedia that readers should check instead. There's no point in duplicating the good, referenced work done over there. BenHur 19:54, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

That's sort of the entire point of this encyclopedia. HelpJazz 19:55, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Are you suggesting that the Wikipedia article is effectively useless? I think there's every reason to use wikis, so long as the articles are well referenced, as that one is. This article is hardly core values Conservapedia material, hence why publish a weaker article? BenHur 19:57, 22 October 2008 (EDT)