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Hey, I removed a few sentences (regardless of whether or not anecdotal evidence supports them) from the above because they are not properly cited. They seemed to reflect opinion, not fact. [[User:Acwellman|Acwellman]] 23:22, 15 October 2008 (EDT) | Hey, I removed a few sentences (regardless of whether or not anecdotal evidence supports them) from the above because they are not properly cited. They seemed to reflect opinion, not fact. [[User:Acwellman|Acwellman]] 23:22, 15 October 2008 (EDT) | ||
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| + | Here's the thing, DRamon. First of all, the way the sentence reads, it certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN. If that's not what you are alleging, then change the sentence. If that is what you wanted to imply, then find a reference that claims 7.8 million votes were fake. | ||
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| + | Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant ''votes'' for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant ''registrations''. You claim that if there were fake registrations there ''must'' have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST) | ||
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Some strange reason, references does not show up. --Jpatt 22:17, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm not sure why we're getting so up in arms about this. It has little to no bearing on the actual election...they tried to register Mickey Mouse for crying out loud! Did ACORN actually think they might get away with it? Perhaps more disconcerting: Did we? I'll admit it isn't exactly upholding the moral code of this wonderful nation, but I don't think it was a serious ploy to create an army of voters that didn't exist for Sen. Obama. Acwellman 23:19, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Hey, I removed a few sentences (regardless of whether or not anecdotal evidence supports them) from the above because they are not properly cited. They seemed to reflect opinion, not fact. Acwellman 23:22, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
OK People
Here's the thing, DRamon. First of all, the way the sentence reads, it certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN. If that's not what you are alleging, then change the sentence. If that is what you wanted to imply, then find a reference that claims 7.8 million votes were fake.
Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant votes for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant registrations. You claim that if there were fake registrations there must have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. HelpJazz 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST)