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:Which publications compare Monte Carlo to chi-square and show that the former is more accurate? Could you provide specific examples? Thanks. [[User:SJohnson|SJohnson]] 18:50, 4 March 2009 (EST) | :Which publications compare Monte Carlo to chi-square and show that the former is more accurate? Could you provide specific examples? Thanks. [[User:SJohnson|SJohnson]] 18:50, 4 March 2009 (EST) | ||
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| + | :In furtherance of SJohnson's remarks with respect to rarely occurring events, the use of the basic Monte Carlo method is plainly incorrect for modeling a rarely occurring event, as the Lenski paper did. This has long been pointed out in [[Flaws in Richard Lenski Study]]. I know [[evolutionists]] will never admit a flaw in anything promoting their pet theory, but this (and other) flaws in that paper is undeniable. | ||
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| + | :Watch how evolutionists defended obvious errors in the Lenski paper, and then realize why the [[Piltdown Man]] fraud was taught for 40 years without evolutionists admitting it was a hoax.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:55, 5 March 2009 (EST) | ||
Revision as of 14:55, March 5, 2009
SJohnson, your assessment, while good in the utilization of the chi-squared test is unfortunately incorrect. The Monte Carlo resampling gives a more accurate p-value than the chi-squared. You may research the literature (i.e. publications in statistical mathematics, many pubs actualy compare Monte Carlo vs Chi Squared) to discover that this method is commonly used in advance statistical work and how it is more accurate than the chi-squared test.--Able806 17:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)
- It doesn’t make sense to compare the chi-square test, which is a specific statistical hypothesis test, to Monte Carlo methods, which can be used for anything from fluid motion modeling to p-value computations. You can use Monte Carlo methods to compute the p-values of the chi-square test!
- Monte Carlo methods involve the generation of random realizations. Your broad claim the Monte Carlo methods are “more accurate” than the chi-square test is obviously incorrect because the accuracy of Monte Carlo methods always depends on the number of random realizations generated. When p-values are small, Monte Carlo methods are notoriously inaccurate unless the number of realizations generated is enormous.
- Which publications compare Monte Carlo to chi-square and show that the former is more accurate? Could you provide specific examples? Thanks. SJohnson 18:50, 4 March 2009 (EST)
- In furtherance of SJohnson's remarks with respect to rarely occurring events, the use of the basic Monte Carlo method is plainly incorrect for modeling a rarely occurring event, as the Lenski paper did. This has long been pointed out in Flaws in Richard Lenski Study. I know evolutionists will never admit a flaw in anything promoting their pet theory, but this (and other) flaws in that paper is undeniable.
- Watch how evolutionists defended obvious errors in the Lenski paper, and then realize why the Piltdown Man fraud was taught for 40 years without evolutionists admitting it was a hoax.--Andy Schlafly 09:55, 5 March 2009 (EST)