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:::::::::::This is moving off-topic. But lets me say this much. In the beginning of the 3rd Reich there were gays who were pushing the Nazi agenda, but there were no Nazis who pushed the gay agenda. Big difference, to gay liberals who push a gay liberal agenda.[[User:Order|Order]] 27 March 15:00

:::::::::::This is moving off-topic. But lets me say this much. In the beginning of the 3rd Reich there were gays who were pushing the Nazi agenda, but there were no Nazis who pushed the gay agenda. Big difference, to gay liberals who push a gay liberal agenda.[[User:Order|Order]] 27 March 15:00

::::::::::::Actually I think it's right on topic cause it gives us an excellant understanding of both controversy in both articles.  What began as fringe became mainstream in both instances.  On the Hitler page we are right a the Night of the Long Knives; this is a crucial point, cause it was here that Nazism gained respectability by the middle class when it abandoned it's "extremist" roots.  But now we see it was middle class respectable folk who actually unkowningly or unwittingly actually embraced extremism.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 01:28, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

::::::::::::Actually I think it's right on topic cause it gives us an excellant understanding of both controversy in both articles.  What began as fringe became mainstream in both instances.  On the Hitler page we are right a the Night of the Long Knives; this is a crucial point, cause it was here that Nazism gained respectability by the middle class when it abandoned it's "extremist" roots.  But now we see it was middle class respectable folk who actually unkowningly or unwittingly actually embraced extremism.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 01:28, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

::::::::::Your arguement is little more than Bush ''et al'' are bad guys and suffer from bad polling numbers.  So what.  It's just your opinion, and I can't find the words "opinion polls" anywhere in the US Constitution.  But in the final analysis, we see so-called "liberals" no longer advocate human rights and democracy, and if anything, they, and now their "middle class" allies, have become more strident, stringent, and hostile to those long held goals of US foreign policy.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:32, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

::::::::::Your arguement is little more than Bush ''et al'' are bad guys and suffer from bad polling numbers.  So what.  It's just your opinion, and I can't find the words "opinion polls" anywhere in the US Constitution.  But in the final analysis, we see so-called "liberals" no longer advocate human rights and democracy, and if anything, they, and now their "middle class" allies, have become more strident, stringent, and hostile to those long held goals of US foreign policy.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:32, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

:::::::::::Where did I say that Bush is a bad guy? I said liberals have the right to believe that Bush is a bad guy, and not believe his claims. And Bush has bad poll numbers, indeed. People got a hangover from interventionist policies and are tending towards isolationist positions. Not the first time in American history.[[User:Order|Order]] 27 March 15:00

:::::::::::Where did I say that Bush is a bad guy? I said liberals have the right to believe that Bush is a bad guy, and not believe his claims. And Bush has bad poll numbers, indeed. People got a hangover from interventionist policies and are tending towards isolationist positions. Not for the first time in American history.[[User:Order|Order]] 27 March 15:00

::::::::Not to get sidetracked, but this discussion is similiar to athiesm.  For example, I may hold the opinion that I do not beleive in stop signs, and therefore efforts by others to impose thier morality on me by erecting stop signs does not apply to me, because they can not force me to accept thier law and/or opinion.  So watch out when I'm behind the wheel, cause nobody can legislate morality and impose thier value systems on me by forcing me to obey stop signs.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:05, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

::::::::Not to get sidetracked, but this discussion is similiar to athiesm.  For example, I may hold the opinion that I do not beleive in stop signs, and therefore efforts by others to impose thier morality on me by erecting stop signs does not apply to me, because they can not force me to accept thier law and/or opinion.  So watch out when I'm behind the wheel, cause nobody can legislate morality and impose thier value systems on me by forcing me to obey stop signs.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:05, 26 March 2007 (EDT)