Difference between revisions of "Talk:American hero"

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Duplicate article?

Much of this ground is covered here. BrentH 21:14, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Proposal

This article is a great idea, but the word "hero" generally is understood to refer to men; the feminine version is "heroine." I propose that the women on this list be moved to "American Heroines" on the grounds that thee article as it is denies the very basic differences between the sexes and promotes competition between the sexes. --LeonardW 21:38, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Hero is both a gender neutral and Masculine term, and there is no point in dividing up the article. It would do with some Title change for Plural (Since it's a list of people, not just a person or definition) and because that undercase h is bad wiki form--SeanS 21:40, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I'd also recommend a shift to American Heroes (or American heroes, not sure about the capitalization for form's sake). Also, it should be gender inclusive, both men and women, without dividing the page into two factions. WesleyS^Hello! 21:55, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I let's have an American heroines page. This gender neutral business is liberal PC stuff. --CraigF 23:11, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

It isn't Liberal and it isn't PC.--SeanS 23:13, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I'm sorry you've been brainwashed into thinking that women and men are the same. Next thing you'll be asking to change the article on Women to Womyn to remove the "gender bias." --CraigF 23:26, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I've been raised to not discriminate people, in a Conservative, literalist bible home, which are the beliefs i myself have. So, no, i don't plan to do that. Oh, and, just incase you forgot, man and woman are made in the image of god, not just man. --SeanS 23:30, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

No man was made in God's image, women where made from the rib of Adam. They are still loved by God and capable of great things, but it is unfortunate that Feminism has forced on them the idea that they are identical to men. --CraigF 23:33, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

American

The article states "American heros are men and women who represent American values." It says nothing about a requirement of the person having to be American. Saint Paul is clearly a hero to millions of Americans. I say we keep him in the examples. --MatthewQ 21:49, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

The fact the title is american pretty much means they must be an american. If we start including anybody we call heros, this is quickly going to spiral downwards.--SeanS 21:54, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

The 'American' can also refer to the them being a hero to Americans. Again, the definition the article uses does not state they have to be American. We should add that requirement, or let Jesus Christ and Saint Paul be included. --MatthewQ 22:06, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes this article should be about American heros. Jesus is obviously the biggest all time hero, but he wasn't an American. --CraigF 23:29, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Kimberley Munley

Her article on Conservapedia says her partner was far more important in stopping the shooting, and that the media downplayed his involvement. Perhaps someone can look into improving consistency? I would, but I am unfamiliar with the details of the shooting. Ask me about Aztecs, massage therapy, anatomy, and medical quackery and I can help. But not here.--CamilleT 23:21, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Vote

Let's vote to see if we should have a separate article for American women who uphold American values but maintain their traditional role in the household. --CraigF 23:28, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes

CraigF

No

--SeanS