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When does the Question Evolution campaign actually start? I'd like to get involved with it in the UK when it begins. --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 09:17, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::Contact the UK office of [[Creation Ministries International]] about the campaign. How many adherents of Christianity were there in the beginning? Two thousand years of Christian increase![http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/BChristianIncrease12.htm] (see also: [[Global Christianity]]).  American atheists, get ready to be cut by at least 50% in the United States (see: [[Essay: Will American atheism be cut by at least 50%?|Will American atheism be cut by at least 50%?]] and  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbmAn3M8r0I My challenge to atheists and evolutionists] ). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:43, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::So it's already started in the UK? Do you know if they've actually done anything yet? I haven't seen anything in the media about it. --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 10:51, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::There must be a reason why you aren't contacting CMI-UK? What is it? I would think they would be your best source of information. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:53, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::::I would have thought so too, but I spoke to them ten minutes ago and the staff in their office don't know of any events they've organised or are planning.--[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 11:03, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::::Call me an unwarranted skeptic of your claim, but I don't believe you. I don't believe CMI-UK is  turning away eager volunteers. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:22, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::::::Volunteers for what? They don't have any events planned. Call and ask them yourself if you don't believe me. --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 11:32, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::::::I don't appreciate being mocked like that. I asked you for advice on the campaign, you suggested I contact them, I did and now you're posting stupid pictures as a reply to my comments? --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 11:59, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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MandyC, why aren't you downloading free [[Question evolution! campaign]] tracts, printing them, and distributing them if you are such an eager beaver like you claim?
 
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"The Question evolution! campaign will prove to be a pivotal point in the modern creation movement because it will take things to a whole new level when it comes to attacking false evolutionary ideology. Defending biblical creation and the science that supports it is very important and necessary.
 
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History teaches us that to bring down false ideologies it is crucial to go on the attack. The early church father Irenaeus and the early church relentlessly attacked Gnosticism until it no longer posed a significant threat to the church. For example, Irenaeus's work Against Heresies was widely circulated by the early church. The wide distribution of the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions that evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer] which are the center of the Question evolution campaign will be a big boon when it comes to showing people that evolutionists do not have the answers when it comes to actually explaining the history of life on earth."[http://shockawenow.blogspot.com/2011/10/bayonets-charge-evolutionism-is-going.html]
 
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MandyC, If you were truly a creation "soldieress" of Christ, and not merely an atheist posing as one, you would be taking action and not engaging in squabbling on this talk page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:12, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:If I start handing out tracts I'll lose my job and probably most of my friends. People here don't like being handed religious tracts. That's why I was looking for other activities I could take part in. Like I said, there aren't any other activities, just maybe some meetings "sometime next year." I have to say you're not exactly being very positive and encouraging here. Next time I need advice I'll ask someone else. --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 15:57, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::I suggest emailing and phoning your friends and family and putting up fliers. Plus, the early Christians went out by twos and spread their faith.  I suggest doing the same and bringing along some tracts. Jesus said, ""For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:07, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::Did you read what I said? People in the UK do NOT like to be handed religious tracts. --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 16:49, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::::Memorize the tracts and talk to them. Are you still able to talk? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:02, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::::I've been talking to people about Christ and opposing evolution for 15 years. I thought the whole point of the Question Evolution campaign was to do something new. WHAT is it doing? They can't tell me, you can't tell me... --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 17:06, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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Richard N., United States, 23 October 2011: "Love the [http://creation.com/15-questions questions] — game changers" [http://creation.com/question-evolution]  Are you able to ask questions?  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:09, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:How are the questions game changers? None of them are new. Is this campaign doing anything new or not? --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 17:12, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::MandyC, a quarreling atheist such as yourself is certainly no game changer. I doubt you are going to cause the first atheist revival. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:13, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::Is that what you do every time someone asks you questions - call them an atheist? --[[User:MandyC|MandyC]] 17:15, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::Mandy, we are, you and I, all of us are the Question Evolution campaign.  I myself leave QE literature on buses and around my college campus.  I also make calls and post on internet forums.  The Question Evolution campaign only works is you participate. --[[User:ElliotS|ElliotS]] 18:48, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 
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== One thing you need to clarify ==
 
== One thing you need to clarify ==
  

Revision as of 19:57, October 29, 2011

One thing you need to clarify

You keep referring to the "leadership" of the atheist movement. What you haven't clarified is how many atheists consider themselves a part of this movement, and are followers of men like Dawkins and Myers, and how many atheists are not involved with any organized group, and are unaffected by anything it does. I have a feeling there are many more who fall outside of any organization, and who don't give much thought to God or religion or even their own lack of belief, or outright disbelief. --SharonW 10:14, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

I have never claimed the atheist movement has strong leadership. In fact, it could be argued that I have argued the opposite (for example, Atheism and cowardice). Plus, I wrote this article: Atheist factions. Nevertheless, your "herding cats" comment is a valid point. Conservative 10:43, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
SharonW, thanks. I added this sentence: "In addition, there is a lot of disharmony in the atheist movement (see: Atheist factions and Atheism: A house divided and in global decline)". Conservative 10:47, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
My point was actually not that there was disharmony, but that many people are apolitical, and don't pay attention to anything outside of their own lives. They're just not involved with any movements, or organizations, and many people who might consider themselves agnostic or atheist aren't even aware of these so-called leaders or organizations for atheists. --SharonW 14:30, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
Wired magazine made the observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged males which would lend some support to what you have to say - as in "herding cats". Conservative 15:18, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
Thanks Sharon, I added this material: "Wired magazine made the observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged men. " Conservative 15:26, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
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