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:::::::I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST) | :::::::I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST) | ||
::::::::No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST) | ::::::::No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST) | ||
| + | :::::::::I have no beef with taking Paul off the list though. GFitz is right; he's not a real conservative. I just don't think his Middle Eastern policy has anything to do with that. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:17, 30 December 2011 (EST) | ||
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Ron Paul? Really? Who wants us out of all foreign soils, is vastly anti-Israel, and thinks the War on Drugs is a terrible injustice for the 'poor oppressed black people' the left of America loves to constantly hide behind? I don't think he belongs on this list! If you want my vote, Tebow all the way!--EzrahJay 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- It is actually possible to be conservative while not supporting Israel and the (pointless) Iraq war. --ArtWellesley 18:41, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Is it? One would think the spread of democracy and honoring our relationship with Israel were core Conservative views.--EzrahJay 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I agree with Ezrah. Just not enough conservative positions that I can support, many things I oppose. --Jpatt 18:53, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Thank you, I worry many Conservatives are duped by Paul's stance on government intervention and forget how much of a sleeper agent he is for the radical left.--EzrahJay 18:56, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Democracy hasn't actually spread to Iraq, as you can see from this week's news, and I don't see how being an American conservative means you have to support a relatively new Middle Eastern state. It's not like they do much for us in exchange for all we give them, and that $4 billion a year might just be better left in the pockets of American taxpayers. As for Ron Paul I don't support him myself; his views on drugs are just crazy, among other things. The war on drugs could be a lot better run than it is being now, but you could say the same for WW2 in 1942; that's no reason to just give it up. --ArtWellesley 18:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Ron Paul is much more of a libertarian than a conservative. The man, on many social issues, does not agree with conservative values. America needs a strong conservative, like Rick Perry, who supports many of the American conservative values.--GFitz 18:59, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--EzrahJay 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --ArtWellesley 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I have no beef with taking Paul off the list though. GFitz is right; he's not a real conservative. I just don't think his Middle Eastern policy has anything to do with that. --ArtWellesley 19:17, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --ArtWellesley 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--EzrahJay 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Ron Paul is much more of a libertarian than a conservative. The man, on many social issues, does not agree with conservative values. America needs a strong conservative, like Rick Perry, who supports many of the American conservative values.--GFitz 18:59, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Democracy hasn't actually spread to Iraq, as you can see from this week's news, and I don't see how being an American conservative means you have to support a relatively new Middle Eastern state. It's not like they do much for us in exchange for all we give them, and that $4 billion a year might just be better left in the pockets of American taxpayers. As for Ron Paul I don't support him myself; his views on drugs are just crazy, among other things. The war on drugs could be a lot better run than it is being now, but you could say the same for WW2 in 1942; that's no reason to just give it up. --ArtWellesley 18:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Thank you, I worry many Conservatives are duped by Paul's stance on government intervention and forget how much of a sleeper agent he is for the radical left.--EzrahJay 18:56, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I agree with Ezrah. Just not enough conservative positions that I can support, many things I oppose. --Jpatt 18:53, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- Is it? One would think the spread of democracy and honoring our relationship with Israel were core Conservative views.--EzrahJay 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)