Talk:Flying Spaghetti Monster

Somebody screwed up the references.

Mockery and Pastafarianism?

The Discovery Institute has argued that the FSM is an attempt to mock "traditional religion."[3] Indeed, self-professed believers in the Flying Spaghetti Monster have called themselves "Pastafarians".

I don't quite get the connection between those two sentences. How does them calling themselves "Pastafarians" argue for or against FSM mocking traditional religion? I get that the entire thing is (intelligently) designed to mock a whole bunch of stuff, but those two sentences made me go "Huh?" in the current form. --Sid 3050 11:58, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

It's not the designation of themselves as Pastafarians but their establishment of FSM as a deity which is the mockery. Anyway, it's a good parody and I always get a laugh out of it. --Ed Poor 12:04, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Yes, those are my thoughts, too. Just found those sentences next to each other a tad confusing. Thanks for verifying/clarifying. --Sid 3050 12:13, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Food for thought

Finally a theory I can sink my teeth into. I can't stomach much of the tripe that evolutionists bring to the table.

• If naturalistic laws do not explain life's origin, then life must have been created. This theory is called intelligent design. (back cover of Intelligent Design or Evolution? Why the Origin of Life and the Evolution of Molecular Knowledge Imply Design)

This doesn't mean that ID can explain the origin of life, but rather that ID asserts naturalism can't either. --Ed Poor 12:02, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

The whole problem with this ID discussion is that both attackers and defenders of ID don't see the difference between the scientific and the religious domain. The scientific domain describes WHAT happens, and here the only theory available is evolution. The religious domain however, describes WHY it happens, and here everybody should be free to find an explanation. Christians will say God coordinates the whole process, while atheists will say it is just a natural process, where everything happens by accident and without a deeper meaning.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carcoke (talk)

Your analysis is incomplete. The Bible does indeed say what happened, and in what order. It even says when it happened. Oh, sure, estimates of the "when" vary, with a range of about 320 years (215 years for the Sojourn in Egypt, 60 years for the birth of Abraham, and 45 years for the chronology of the Divided Kingdoms Northern and Southern). But you can't get around this simple fact: that the Bible contains back-to-back narratives of human history that span the entire time from creation to the Crucifixion and about thirty years after that. It is the only single source that can make this claim (although The Annals of the World reviews history from multiple sources to cover the same period).

Now the distinction you draw is all very well. But when the Bible does make a statement on the what and even the when as well as the why, you have to deal with it.--TerryH^Talk 09:02, 11 April 2007 (EDT)