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Barry Farber article

The first paragraph is fine, but I noticed that the last 6 paragraphs of the Barry Farber article are identical to the Wikipedia article of the same name, as of June 3, 2010. I'm currently busy with meetings and won't have time to research any changes for almost a week, but I wanted to bring it to your attention since it is a verbatim copy of the article text from Wikipedia, and I believe this sort of behavior should be avoided. If you're the user at Wikipedia who wrote that article, I apologize for the inconvenience, but please state so on the talk page. In Christ, Tyler Zoran ^Talk 07:28, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

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What do you mean--plagiarism? Plagiarism means taking false personal credit for academic gain, which is not at issue here. Nobody is gaining any academic credit for their writing at CP. RJJensen 00:11, 17 January 2010 (EST)

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I think you should examine the text in greater detail, Tyler. There are only so many ways to say the same thing, and occasional duplication of phrases can occur, but I don't see they are identical. In any event, something like this should be handled discretely, rather than posted publicly as you did. Your doing so makes me suspect your judgment and goodwill. Dr. Jensen should know a thing or two about writing, and his statement stands as a good hallmark. --ṬK_/Admin^/Talk 08:11, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

TK is right. Tzoran, you should realize that articles here are a work in progress. When an article is created, it is important that it is presentable. I draw from numerous sources, some of which may draw from Wikipedia. If you ever have a problem with an article, fix it yourself - complaining loudly until other people do your work for you is not an admirable trait. JacobB_{Shout out!} 16:28, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

Delete article

When you get a second, think you can delete State sovereignty, national union‎? I put a merge template up, but there really isn't much information to merge ... -- Jeff W. Lauttamus _Discussion 20:17, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up, JLatt, I'll take a look. JacobB_{Shout out!} 20:18, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

That was a good call. We're not big fans of uninformative stub articles. JacobB_{Shout out!} 20:19, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, I try and throw a {{speedy}} or {{delete}} up anytime I see them. Most of them were created by parodists or trolls, anyways. -- Jeff W. Lauttamus _Discussion 20:23, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

Thanks. But just be sure to check to see who created an article before nominating it for deletion.JacobB_{Shout out!} 20:27, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

Promoting Multivariable Calculus

I wonder how we cam promote your marvelous course in Multivariable Calculus. Perhaps with a certificate of completion for successful students? Other ideas? --Andy Schlafly 12:43, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

That's not a bad idea, but a certificate is more of a payout - I think the real payout will be when the students take their BC Calculus exams, which would give college credit for Calculus 1 and 2! How we should advertise it to students is a good question - I'll think on his, and I'll get back to you. I know Conservative is good at promoting things, I'll also shoot him an email.

The course is just about ready to go, btw, I just have to re-organize some lectures and add some problems at the end. It's something I keep meaning to do, but it's easy to put on the back burner with summer courses and a full-time job. Maybe I can get it done tomorrow night? Yeah, I think I'll make that my Sunday evening project. JacobB_{Shout out!} 14:07, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

Maybe we could set up a track for helping students skip a year of college with AP or CLEP credits, with tips on which colleges accept which credits. Saving a year's tuition can help students enormously.--Andy Schlafly 14:59, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

I'm going to start a new entry outlining how Conaervapedia can help students obtain college degrees for less money, by taking courses here and earning credits with AP or CLEP exams. Our guide can include specific college policies.--Andy Schlafly 00:06, 20 June 2010 (EDT)

REPONSE TO MESSAGES

==The Nature of Greek and English==

Greetings,

There is no such thing as "the original English." I assume that you just made an accidental slip in writing that in your message to me. I hope that does not mean that you just took the KJV and rewrote it without reading Greek. That would not be a translation at all.

Are you saying that English is more precise than Greek? If so, what leads you to believe that?

How much Greek have you had? Perhaps you are an expert in math and physics. Though I took calculus and physics at Georgia Tech, I am not a major in those areas, and I would be wary of posting articles on those subjects. If Bible and Greek are not your majors, you ought to back off from translating the Bible. Pardon me if indeed you have a graduate degree in Greek.

How do you know that "concepts which are only vaguely expressed in Greek can be made crystal clear in English." If the Lord gave us passages which have studied ambiguity, who are we to change that? Greek is to theology as math is to science. Now don't tell me that concepts which are only vaguely expressed in math can be made crystal clear in English.

My colleague, you are in the process of producing a product which is not a translation at all, and which will bring Conservapedia into ridicule. Students of Greek will disparage the product as the product of uneducated hybris. The only service you can do to readers is to enable them to read God's word accurately, if you know Greek. Of course you could do them a service by giving them something to roll on the floor laughing at, including the entire Conservapedia. But I don't think you want to do that.

I am concerned about a distortion of God's word and also sincerely about your stance regarding translation.

If you are a born-again Christian and know the Lord Jesus as your only and sufficient Savior (no works), then please give my comments prayerful consideration.(Thunkful 15:19, 19 June 2010 (EDT))

I'm discussing this on User talk:Thunkful and will only add here that the claim that "Greek is to theology as math is to science" does not withstand scrutiny. Math is precise. Language is not. Greek lacked many concepts developed in modern English, terminology often developed to better express the original intent of Christ.--Andy Schlafly 00:52, 20 June 2010 (EDT)

CLEP Math

Jacob, increasingly I'm hearing that the CLEP exams are the pathway to low-cost college credit. There are 4 CLEP math exams, but no advanced ones. I'm describing them in the CLEP entry. I wonder if there is another exam offered for demonstrating proficiency in multivariable calculus.--Andy Schlafly 11:27, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Yes, I recently advised somebody (mistakenly) that the multivariate calc course would aid with the Calc BC exam. That's why I'm starting on these Calc I and II courses. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that there is a college-credit exam for calc III. Which is unfortunate, given the time I put into that, but we can have these calc I and II courses up soon, I hope. JacobB_{Shout out!} 20:23, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

The multivariable calculus course can still be a pathway to credit even though the CLEP exams do not yet include this advanced topic. A student could take our multivariable course in conjunction with a low-cost community college course and obtain credit by passing the final exam.--Andy Schlafly 22:12, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Oh, absolutely! It's a good course and I'm not disparaging my own work at all! JacobB_{Shout out!} 22:14, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

More students would take multivariable calculus for credit at low-cost community colleges if they could have some explanatory material on the internet, which your course offers. Some community college students cannot afford to skip work to attend all the classes, but with online material could pass the exams. The Khan Academy also offers supplemental material by video, but I don't find it to be as effective as good textual explanations.--Andy Schlafly 23:26, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

My MV Calc stuff

Please see the bottom of my talk page. SamHB 22:25, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

More of Same

Jacob:

I have been continuing my MV calc work over at Wikiversity, using the "natural vector" as opposed to "unit vector" method—the issue we were arguing about. (Apropos: your "Oh, is that a sig sauer over there? Hand it to me? Great, thanks. *blows brains out*." comment on my talk page. :-) I'm still trying to do the "natural vector" stuff, though it's pretty daunting, and I may just decide that it wasn't right. So save a bullet for me, OK?

I have cut way back on the overall scope of the project, leaving out the earlier "single variable calculus review" stuff, for example, and leaving out the later stuff about the wave equation and diffusion equation and ODE's and PDE's. We were really going after an incredibly ambitious goal! So it's just 3 lectures, going up to Stokes' theorem. At least, that's the not-yet-attained goal. But the first 2 lectures are in pretty good shape.

There is definitely something appealing about saying that the length of a vector is always the square root of the sum of the squares of its components ("unit vector" method.) I have to admit that. But there is also something appealing about saying that I can choose any coordinate system I want, even if it isn't orthogonal, and the formulas will always work. For example, I give the parametric definition of a helix by making artificial "helical coordinates" in 3 dimensions, and then just holding two coordinates constant to get a 1-dimensional curve. And the arc length along that curve just comes from the 1-dimensional induced metric. That is why I wanted to use "natural" vectors.

Anyway, you might want to have a look. And I'd appreciate any comments you might have.

SamHB 23:53, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

Teaching newbies

Well put. --Ed Poor ^Talk 17:54, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

Barry Farber

JacobB, hope you're well. Your edits to Barry Farber are being questioned. Could you respond? Thanks.--Andy Schlafly 00:35, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Welcome back

Welcome back, Jacob! It's good to see you online here again.--Andy Schlafly 16:43, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

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+[[User talk:JacobB/Archive 2|Nov. 28 - Dec. 31, 2009]],
+[[User talk:JacobB/Archive 3|Dec. 31 - Feb. 28, 2010]],
+[[User talk:JacobB/Archive 4|Feb. 28 - May 29, 2010]]
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-==rant #50==
+== [[Barry Farber]] article ==
-Hello, JacobB, my name is WilsonB. And while we're both COMMITTED Catholics, I'm sorry to tell you that I have a beef with you over some actions you took over my work.
-A few minutes ago, you blocked my editing of this encyclopedia's page of the movie adaptation of Mulan. You blocked out my attempt to show that while it may be feministic and occultic, it may also be conservative, too. Now, I will, from now on, no longer allow anything from my blog to appear on any page or my opinion for that matter. But I am upset for a few reasons.
-I find the fact that no suggestion of conservative messages in the movie in question, yet suggestion that it's occultic, on the page in question is completely disturbing for several reasons. In my opinion, it is downright repulsive to offer evidence to suggest that "Mulan" is occultic without any evidence at all. By that I mean that there are no sources to back it up! Where are the references? If this is fact, and not opinion, that "Mulan" is occultic, don't we need to go out to a database of some kind and cite sources? Isn't that how all encyclopedia pages are done online? Yes, the idea that the film in question is occultic can still stand, but only if sources are cited next time around.
-I mean, I have been a good conservative all my life, and "Mulan", in fact, was my introduction to conservative thought. In this case, it introduced me to the fact that, despite the leftist delusion of "War Is Not The Answer", we really do need the "Mulans" of our time. That is, we need men and women who are willing to go out and serve their country and die if necessary. "Mulan", if properly viewed, can be an excellent way of teaching that to children. So forget the occult and feminism. (We, of course, have our own "feminists", even thought they're not really that, such as Sarah Palin.) Therefore, I just find it troubling that personal opinion would be put on in onw scenario and ignored in another. I mean, just imagine what would happen if someone on Wikipedia called "Mulan" occultic to produce another side. Jimbo's in-box would start lighting up like a Christmas Tree-oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't say that; it might offend someone.
-Remember, I am not mad at you for ruining my work. I'm just livid about this. If I could bring you to my house one day, get the film on DVD, and bring you to watch it with me, I would. But since I don't have a DVD copy, and since I'm probably not going to give complete strangers my home address to bring them here, all I'll just do is tell you of what needs to be done for this encyclopedia to be both conservative AND based in a non-partisan format. Again, "Mulan" is not occultic, in my opinion, but you're free to decide.
-Sincerely,
-[[User: WilsonB]]
-:I'm quite capable of reading your talk page, there was no need to reproduce this here.  Apparently, you are not able to read the your talk page, as I gave a calm and rational response there, in which I explained I had never seen Mulan and don't care in the slightest what content you wish to add to that page, though others might.
-:I even assumed the issue had been cleared up when an Admin came to offer his services to back me up, I said, no, not necessary, because I assumed you were rational enough to read my response.  I will not make this mistaken assumption with you in the future.  Take some time to cool your head. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]
-== Math lectures ==
+The first paragraph is fine, but I noticed that the last 6 paragraphs of the [[Barry Farber]] article are '''identical''' to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Farber Wikipedia] article of the same name, as of June 3, 2010. I'm currently busy with meetings and won't have time to research any changes for almost a week, but I wanted to bring it to your attention since it is a ''verbatim copy of the article text from Wikipedia'', and I believe this sort of behavior should be avoided. If you're the user at Wikipedia who wrote that article, I apologize for the inconvenience, but please state so on the talk page. In Christ, [[User:Tzoran|Tyler Zoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 07:28, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
-Just fantastically cool!  Just wondering, should the derivative of d/dx log(x) = x^-1 in 3.1 read d/dx ln(x)? Or is log(x) always assumed to be log<small>''e''</small>(x) unless specified or something? [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 11:50, 4 January 2010 (EST)
+{{cquote|'''What do you mean--plagiarism? Plagiarism means taking false personal credit for academic gain, which is not at issue here. Nobody is gaining any academic credit for their writing at CP. RJJensen'''  <small>00:11, 17 January 2010 (EST)</small>}}
-:Not to butt in ahead of JacobB, but it was pretty much assumed in the calc courses I've taken.  It might be good to add a note to that effect, though. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 11:52, 4 January 2010 (EST)
+:I think you should examine the text in greater detail, Tyler. There are only so many ways to say the same thing, and occasional duplication of phrases can occur, but I don't see they are identical.  In any event, something like this should be handled discretely, rather than posted publicly as you did. Your doing so makes me suspect your judgment and goodwill. Dr. Jensen should know a thing or two about writing, and his statement stands as a good hallmark. --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big><sub>/Admin</sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
-::Okay, good to know. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 11:53, 4 January 2010 (EST)
+::TK is right.  Tzoran, you should realize that articles here are a work in progress.  When an article is created, it is important that it is presentable.  I draw from numerous sources, some of which may draw from Wikipedia.  If you ever have a problem with an article, fix it yourself - complaining loudly until other people do your work for you is not an admirable trait. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 16:28, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
-My experience is that mathematicians use log or ln ("lawn") for natural logs, since we never use log<small>10</small> at all, and physicists use ln for natural log and log for log<small>10</small>.
-It would probably be best to use ln for natural log to avoid confusion - my consistent use of log is a result of my long-time use of it for natural log, and the thing is, it's too ingrained of a habit to break now, so I'm probably going to keep using log.  If it matters so much to somebody, they're welcome to change it. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 19:33, 4 January 2010 (EST)
-==Welcoming new users==
+== Delete article ==
-I've been inactive for a while, so I may have missed this: is it a custom around here to welcome new users by placing a template on their user page? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:48, 4 January 2010 (EST)
+When you get a second, think you can delete [[State sovereignty, national union‎]]? I put a merge template up, but there really isn't much information to merge ... -- [[User:JLauttamus|Jeff W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:JLauttamus|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 20:17, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
-:TK does it, but if this is only for admins to do, I'll stop. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 19:55, 4 January 2010 (EST)
+:Thanks for the heads up, JLatt, I'll take a look. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 20:18, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
+::That was a good call.  We're not big fans of uninformative stub articles. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 20:19, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
+:::Yeah, I try and throw a '''<nowiki>{{speedy}}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' up anytime I see them. Most of them were created by parodists or trolls, anyways. -- [[User:JLauttamus|Jeff W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:JLauttamus|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 20:23, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
+::::Thanks.  But just be sure to check to see who created an article before nominating it for deletion.[[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 20:27, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
-==Write for the educated layman==
+== Promoting Multivariable Calculus ==
-Important instructions for you are [[User_talk:JacobB/Banach-Tarski_Paradox#Jargon|here]]. Please read them, and submit a [[writing plan]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:20, 8 January 2010 (EST)
+I wonder how we cam promote your marvelous course in Multivariable Calculus.  Perhaps with a certificate of completion for successful students?  Other ideas? --[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:43, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
+:That's not a bad idea, but a certificate is more of a payout - I think the real payout will be when the students take their BC Calculus exams, which would give college credit for Calculus 1 and 2!  How we should advertise it to students is a good question - I'll think on his, and I'll get back to you.  I know Conservative is good at promoting things, I'll also shoot him an email.
+:The course is just about ready to go, btw, I just have to re-organize some lectures and add some problems at the end.  It's something I keep meaning to do, but it's easy to put on the back burner with summer courses and a full-time job.  Maybe I can get it done tomorrow night?  Yeah, I think I'll make that my Sunday evening project. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 14:07, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
-== Multivariable Calc course ==
+::Maybe we could set up a track for helping students skip a year of college with AP or CLEP credits, with tips on which colleges accept which credits. Saving a year's tuition can help students enormously.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:59, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
-Jacob, this is very doable.  I have nearly 50 students in my Economics course and nearly all stuck with it. It's college-level material and many of them are taking the [[CLEP]] to earn credit.
+:::I'm going to start a new entry outlining how ''Conaervapedia'' can help students obtain college degrees for less money, by taking courses here and earning credits with AP or CLEP exams.  Our guide can include specific college policies.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:06, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
-We can do the [[Multivariable calculus]] course and I developed that entry as an overview.  Please feel free to use or link as you think best to your developing material.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)
+===REPONSE TO MESSAGES===
-:That's great!  I'll make sure to hit all of that material in the lectures.  Like I've said, I'm incredibly busy at work this week and I'm taking it home with me, but next week I'll have four days to just work on calc lectures.  Expect a lot of material to go up Tues-Fri! [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:42, 9 January 2010 (EST)
-::The Economics course that just completed is a successful model.  But [[Multivariable calculus]] may be more advanced than anything the [[CLEP]] offers!  No problem ... our students are doing this to learn, not merely to impress institutions.  The reality is that a conservative approach is far superior for learning.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:27, 10 January 2010 (EST)
+==The Nature of Greek and English==<br />
-:::I'm looking at the CLEP exams right now, and once I finish these Multivariable Calc lectures, I don't see any reason why I can't put up lectures which would prepare the student for [http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/clep/ex_cm.html this exam] and [http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/clep/ex_ca.html this exam]. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 23:45, 10 January 2010 (EST)
+Greetings,  <br />
-== Please check your email, I am awaiting a response.. ==
+There is no such thing as "the original English."  I assume that you just made an accidental slip in writing that in your message to me.  I hope that does not mean that you just took the KJV and rewrote it without reading Greek.  That would not be a translation at all.
-Thanks! --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big><sub>/Admin</sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 01:48, 10 January 2010 (EST)
+'''Are you saying that English is more precise than Greek?  If so, what leads you to believe that?'''<br />
-== Riemann picture ==
+How much Greek have you had?
+Perhaps you are an expert in math and physics.  Though I took calculus and physics at Georgia Tech, I am not a major in those areas, and I would be wary of posting articles on those subjects.  If Bible and Greek are not your majors, you ought to back off from translating the Bible.  Pardon me if indeed you have a graduate degree in Greek.
-I tried linking the [[Riemann Integral]] page to the new picture, and it doesn't seem to work.  I tried both "File:Riemannsums.gif" and "Image:Riemannsums.gif".  Can you try to see if you can use your extra privileges (or extra intelligence, or extra knowledge, or extra common sense, or whatever it takes :-) to fix this?  [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:34, 18 January 2010 (EST)
+'''How do you know that "concepts which are only vaguely expressed in Greek can be made crystal clear in English."'''
+If the Lord gave us passages which have studied ambiguity, who are we to change that?  Greek is to theology as math is to science.  Now don't tell me that concepts which are only vaguely expressed in math can be made crystal clear in English.
-==Best of luck==
+My colleague, you are in the process of producing a product which is not a translation at all, and which will bring Conservapedia into ridicule.  Students of Greek will disparage the product as the product of uneducated hybris.  The only service you can do to readers is to enable them to read God's word accurately, if you know Greek.  Of course you could do them a service by giving them something to roll on the floor laughing at, including the entire Conservapedia.  But I don't think you want to do that.
-I held hope that our compromise would allow astronomy articles on this site to go forward, but duke of this fiefdom has decreed there will be no compromise and that even having an "Old Universe View" is forbidden.  I know we had our disagreements, many of them, but I hold no ill will or bad feelings towards you.  Good luck on your endeavors and if you ever wish to say hello by email, please feel free. --[[User:BMcP|BMcP]] 11:51, 11 February 2010 (EST)
+I am concerned about a distortion of God's word and also sincerely about your stance regarding translation.
-==The future==
+If you are a born-again Christian and know the Lord Jesus as your only and sufficient Savior (no works), then please give my comments prayerful consideration.([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 15:19, 19 June 2010 (EDT))
-I can see why a YEC would object to the assertions about the age of stars, but why do you object to long predictions about the future?  [[User:DanG|DanG]] 12:44, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-:People will differ in their views.  I'm actually totally ok with predictions about the distant future, since all such predictions carry the implicit caveat, "If the universe lasts that long."  Other Christians will disagree with me.[[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 12:46, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-::You're "ok with predictions", yet you're deleting all of BMcP's.  Are you that annoyed by his "rudeness"?  Even if so, destruction of an encyclopedia yields, at best, a Pyhrric victory.  If you leave the words today they will still be there to be deleted tomorrow, should a sleep not soothe the hurt.[[User:DanG|DanG]] 12:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-I am deleting material which Andy has demonstrated he objects to.  As for there always being vandalism, that's true.  There will always be nonsense added to the project, vandals constantly attacking and constantly growing more malicious.  And always, we are watching, ready to ban these vandals, to delete the nonsense added by a vandal who has been banned.  The future of this encyclopedia is us deleting nonsense and banning vandals - forever. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 12:59, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-== Chromosomes ==
+: I'm discussing this on [[User talk:Thunkful]] and will only add here that the claim that "Greek is to theology as math is to science" does not withstand scrutiny.  Math is precise.  Language is not.  Greek lacked many concepts developed in modern English, terminology often developed to better express the original intent of Christ.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:52, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
-My apologies for the Genesis reference, was only trying to remember a story I was told by my godparents. How do I merge articles? I noticed that there is an article for Chromosome and another article for Chromosomes. --[[User:Chromosome2Telomere|Chromosome2Telomere]] 13:56, 11 February 2010 (EST)
+== CLEP Math ==
-:Hmmm, I would suggest talking to [[User:TK|TK]] about that.  He's always eager to help out.  [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 14:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-::I would also ask that you make a request on an administrators page to have your name changed to your real first name and last initial. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 14:05, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-== Reversion ==
+Jacob, increasingly I'm hearing that the [[CLEP]] exams are the pathway to low-cost college credit.  There are 4 CLEP math exams, but no advanced ones.  I'm describing them in the CLEP entry.  I wonder if there is another exam offered for demonstrating proficiency in multivariable calculus.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:27, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
+:Yes, I recently advised somebody (mistakenly) that the multivariate calc course would aid with the Calc BC exam.  That's why I'm starting on these Calc I and II courses.  Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that there is a college-credit exam for calc III.  Which is unfortunate, given the time I put into that, but we can have these calc I and II courses up soon, I hope. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 20:23, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
-I assumed that your deletion of a talk section from [[Talk:Andromeda galaxy‎]] was accidental, and hence I reverted it in order to respond.  My apologies if I misread that.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:44, 11 February 2010 (EST)
+::The multivariable calculus course can still be a pathway to credit even though the CLEP exams do not yet include this advanced topic.  A student could take our multivariable course in conjunction with a low-cost community college course and obtain credit by passing the final exam.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:12, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
-:I deleted it because with BMcP gone, I didn't think it was necessary to have his dissent on-site anymore.  I'm sorry about that, I see now that you wished to respond.  My bad! [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 15:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)
+:::Oh, absolutely!  It's a good course and I'm not disparaging my own work at all!  [[User:JacobB|JacobB]]<sub>[[User talk:JacobB|Shout out!]]</sub> 22:14, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
-::Unless discussions like that are angry, insulting, or downright full of lies, I think it's probably better to keep them on, to avoid having to have the same conversation over and over.  When another liberal/evolutionist/relativist/whatever-the-case-is comes to argue the same point, you can just point them to the previous discussions. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 15:52, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-:::Yes, it was a mistake on my part.  Overzealous, I guess. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 15:53, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-== Vector 0 ==
+::::More students would take multivariable calculus for credit at low-cost community colleges if they could have some explanatory material on the internet, which your course offers.  Some community college students cannot afford to skip work to attend all the classes, but with online material could pass the exams.  The Khan Academy also offers supplemental material by video, but I don't find it to be as effective as good textual explanations.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:26, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
-I noticed at the end of calc3.6 that you used <math>\vec{0}</math>.  Does this mean a vector with 0 magnitude and direction?  Can a vector have direction without magnitude, for that matter? I'd never seen an actual number with the vector sign over it before. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 20:49, 11 February 2010 (EST)
+== My MV Calc stuff ==
-:Yes, it's important to remember that when we talk about a vector of zero length, we don't mean just the number 0, which is a number, ie, a member of <math>\mathbb{R}</math>, we mean the ''vector'' <math>\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}\in\mathbb{R}^3</math>.  Or, in the plane, we may mean <math>\vec{0}\in\mathbb{R}^2</math>.  Notably, we cannot add a number and a vector: <math>0+ \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}</math> is undefined, but <math>\vec{0}+\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}</math>.  We can't take the dot product, or cross product, of a number and a vector, but <math>\vec{0}\cdot\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=\vec{0}\times\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=\vec{0}</math>.  [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 21:39, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-::Hehe, I made a similar error to thinking <math>0=\vec{0}</math> above when I wrote <math>\vec{0}\times\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}=\vec{0}</math>.  Can't take the cross product of a two-vector! [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 23:48, 11 February 2010 (EST)
-== We've missed you ==
+Please see the bottom of my talk page.  [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:25, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
-Jacob, we've missed you!  Where should I work next on the math entries?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)
+== More of Same ==
-:Yes, things have been quite hectic for me, but I will always come back when things settle!  As for the math entries, I'd really like your thoughts on the Calc syllabus: specifically, Sam and I are beginning to think the differential equations at the end, though useful from a scientific or engineering standpoint, may simply be too advanced for the course, and that those lectures would be better spent explaining previous concepts in more detail.  As for anything else, I'll have to take a look around and see what's going on with our math articles, but as always, anything you wish to contribute will be most welcome! [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 22:02, 25 February 2010 (EST)
+Jacob:
-== [[Online colleges]] ==
+I have been continuing my MV calc work over at Wikiversity, using the "natural vector" as opposed to "unit vector" method&mdash;the issue we were arguing about.  (Apropos: your "Oh, is that a sig sauer over there? Hand it to me? Great, thanks. *blows brains out*." comment on my talk page.  :-)  I'm still trying to do the "natural vector" stuff, though it's pretty daunting, and I may just decide that it wasn't right.  So save a bullet for me, OK?
-Great blocks!  By the way, I made some interesting additions to [[online colleges]] based on a startling approach described in the Washington Post.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:21, 27 February 2010 (EST)
+I have cut way back on the overall scope of the project, leaving out the earlier "single variable calculus review" stuff, for example, and leaving out the later stuff about the wave equation and diffusion equation and ODE's and PDE's.  We were really going after an incredibly ambitious goal!  So it's just 3 lectures, going up to Stokes' theorem.  At least, that's the not-yet-attained goal.  But the first 2 lectures are in pretty good shape.
-:That's certainly interesting!  If only I'd known 5 years ago, huh?  I wonder if a company like StraigherLine would be interested in the courses that are already up, and in development, here on Conservapedia? [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 21:26, 27 February 2010 (EST)
-::The trick seems to be in obtaining transfer credit from another online university, which the student can then use to transfer (if desired) to a brick-and-mortar college.  Sounds very feasible.  I'm sure our courses are as good or better than the StraighterLine courses!
+There is definitely something appealing about saying that the length of a vector is ''always'' the square root of the sum of the squares of its components ("unit vector" method.)  I have to admit that.  But there is also something appealing about saying that I can choose ''any'' coordinate system I want, even if it isn't orthogonal, and the formulas will always work.  For example, I give the parametric definition of a helix by making artificial "helical coordinates" in 3 dimensions, and then just holding two coordinates constant to get a 1-dimensional curve.  And the arc length along that curve just comes from the 1-dimensional induced metric.  ''That'' is why I wanted to use "natural" vectors.
-::The next step would be to email inquiries to some of the online colleges listed in [[Online colleges]] (and perhaps there are more can be added to the list).
+Anyway, you might want to have a look.  And I'd appreciate any comments you might have.
-::I know so many students where the main obstacle to obtaining a college degree is its exorbitant cost at brick-and-mortar schools.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:10, 27 February 2010 (EST)
+[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:53, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
-== math in subpages, yet again ==
+== Teaching newbies ==
-The saga continues; we learn something else about how math markup doesn't work in subpages!
+[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Essay:Best_New_Conservative_Words&curid=84605&diff=803084&oldid=803073&rcid=884749 Well put.] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 17:54, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
-Apparently, math markup not only doesn't work in any subpage, but doesn't work in any normal page that was reached by a redirect through a subpage!!!!  Your recent move of the cross product proof out of a subpage was, of course, the right thing.  But the link you left behind fails.  That link was just ''pro forma'', right?  So the lesson is: don't depend on such links.  [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:00, 28 February 2010 (EST)
+== Barry Farber ==
-:You're right!  ouch.  ugh hassle hassle hassle! [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 00:01, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-::It appears the issue is spaces in the title. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 00:04, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-:::What about using transcluded pages....create a template for the formulas and insert them?  --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big><sub>/Admin</sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 00:17, 28 February 2010 (EST)
+JacobB, hope you're well.  Your edits to [[Barry Farber]] are being questioned.  Could you respond?  Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:35, 27 November 2010 (EST)
-== Congratulations! ==
+== Welcome back ==
-Congratulations on your very well deserved promotion to Sysop and other privileges!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:48, 28 February 2010 (EST)
+Welcome back, Jacob!  It's good to see you online here again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:43, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
-:Oh wow!  Thank you so much!  I'm very excited about this, and I hope I can continue to build our courses here for a long time. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 13:49, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-::Perseverance and hard work are conservative values, and they pay off! Congrats, Jacob. --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big><sub>/Admin</sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 14:19, 28 February 2010 (EST)