Talk:Abortionist

Let's just pause for a minute

Shall we have a discussion rather than an edit war? --HMayo 20:14, 23 February 2008 (EST)

It is inaccurate to say that an abortionist is someone who necessarily profits from abortion. It might well usually be so but it not necessarily so. --HMayo 20:18, 23 February 2008 (EST)

It's factual. Abortion is a profitable business, and there are no volunteer abortionists.--Aschlafly 20:22, 23 February 2008 (EST)

I understand that. But it has not always been so. Abortion has a long history and the procedure has not always been in the hands of trained (and paid) medical professionals. --HMayo 20:28, 23 February 2008 (EST)

We're describing abortion today, and I don't agree with you about its history but there is no reason to waste time on it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aschlafly (talk)

Unless we want produce an accurate article. Furthermore, the fact that a person gets paid is irrelevant. Are you suggesting that every job described here should include the phrase "and profits from"? --HMayo 20:32, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Reversions

It's liberal spin to call abortionists "medical professionals." Often abortionists are people kicked off hospital staffs for incompetence, and the Hippocratic Oath prohibits abortion.--Aschlafly 21:17, 23 February 2008 (EST)

We don't censor here

Right... --HMayo 21:17, 23 February 2008 (EST)

And what about the rest of the edit that you just wiped? Why didn't you just change "medical professionals"? --HMayo 21:19, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Your other edits were also biased. You omitted the period of time or statistics about other lines of work, making your (dubious) statistic utterly meaningless.--Aschlafly 21:32, 23 February 2008 (EST)

What statistics? 7 people have been murdered? Are you suggesting that before I can write that I have to compare it with violence against, say, plumbers? Dentists? Unicyclists?

The point is that it is worthy of comment that there has been an orchestrated violent campaign by the chronically unhinged against abortionists. That is clearly a fact worthy of note in an article about abortionists. Isn't it? --HMayo 21:51, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, and by the way, your comment about the Hippocratic oath seems a bit odd in light of the fact that the Conservapedia article on that oath states that less than 10% of modern Hippocratic oaths contain a prohibition against abortion. --HMayo 22:00, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Compare your statistics to other professions, and put in the context of a time period (over a decade ago, and over an extended period of time). Your "7" figure is already a distortion, since most of them were not even abortionists. Your other comment proves our points: liberals are the ones who have distorted the Oath.--Aschlafly 22:35, 23 February 2008 (EST)

No worries. What professions would you like me to compare them with? You just tell me. I'll do the research.

I don't see how you can say the 7 figure was a distortion since I clearly stated that 3 of them were doctors. The period, by the way, was 1993 to 1998 inclusive. I included that figure in a later edit which you also reverted.

Frankly, I just don't follow the logic of your last comment. I merely pointed out that your criticism of abortionists as "medical professionals" based on the fact that they took a Hippocratic oath which "prohibits abortion" was wrong according to Conservapedia. How does that prove that liberals have distorted the oath? --HMayo 22:47, 23 February 2008 (EST)

I never said that abortionists "took a Hippocratic oath." What else have you made up? On this page, you did not clarify that most of the 7 were not even abortionists.

Compare your statistic to that for psychiatrists. Or emergency room doctors. And why would you even insist upon highlighting anomalous statistics from over a decade ago in an entry today? It's misleading in suggesting that the statistics are representative of today.--Aschlafly 23:12, 23 February 2008 (EST)