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[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
:Hi Philip,
:First, allow me to break my arm patting myself on my back - I just *knew* that was going to be your response re: deregulating/banning things that were once regulated or banned. It is the one reasonable argument for keeping the things regulated/banned, I agree. Now we're getting into "real" politics vs. political theory, I think. The high-minded Aziraphale says "if you take that stance then government can never correct a mistaken over-regulation, which is negative and self-limiting," but the realist Aziraphale has to concede that you have a point. I do think the "we're legalizing it but still thinks its a bad idea" message isn't that hard to get out in the specific situation we're discussing, though; after all these years, and with all the talk it would generate, it's hard for me to fathom someone NOT realizing the government's position, should it legalize marijuana.
:Re: the mouse-drug point above, I think that ''was'' a bad precedent, and wouldn't want to see it applied to other situations, abortion-related or otherwise. But that's just me.
:One point of clarification, on Tim's behalf - I don't think he ''does'' accept the "health of the mother" stipulation to allowing abortions, as I read his comments. I still take your meaning, of course.
:I think this conversation over the last few days illustrates HelpJazz's abortion statement better than his simply saying it. After all, I'm pretty comfortable in saying that none of the people currently participating in this conversation are witless or unreasonable, or stupid for that matter, and yet - one or more of us simply has to be wrong on the abortion issue. Tim believes that it's a life from the absolute beginning, and any abortion, for any reason, is morally wrong. You believe mostly the same thing, although you allow for the "health of the mother" stipulation. HelpJazz and I are both against abortion in our own minds, but don't agree that a human life has been created from the first division of cells in the womb. I think that's the climate of the debate in microcosm. [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 11:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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