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::::Thanks, Wycliffe, your changes are excellent now! Sorry if I reverted too much; your current version is more than satisfactory, though. Thanks again! [[User:Tzoran|Tyler Zoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 13:47, 31 December 2010 (EST)
::::Thanks, Wycliffe, your changes are excellent now! Sorry if I reverted too much; your current version is more than satisfactory, though. Thanks again! [[User:Tzoran|Tyler Zoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 13:47, 31 December 2010 (EST)
:::::I request that Wycliffe justify the scandalous claim that Catholics worship Mary. He assert it as fact. It is most often a hoary lie that is told to deride and scorn Catholics for hundreds of years. I note that Wycliffe accepts there is a Catholic denial, but gives it no credit and does not acknowledge the Biblical source of Catholic's adoration of Mary as well as of all Saints with whom we have communion. That is not fair and it is part and parcel of the anti-Catholic nonsense that goes on on this site. I won't stand for it. We are directed by no less than Paul himself to venerate saints. They are of Christ himself. Mary is my personal protector and redeemer yet it is the Father or her Child, who you might also know as '''God''' that I and all Christians worship. Catholics and I assume many protestants ''adore'' and ''venerate'' Mary. We do not worship her and we are not pagans or idolators. I will appreciate some justification of the claim that we worship her or expect Wycliffe qualify or retract this assertion. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 15:05, 31 December 2010 (EST)
:::::I request that Wycliffe justify the scandalous claim that Catholics worship Mary. He assert it as fact. It is most often a hoary lie that is told to deride and scorn Catholics for hundreds of years. I note that Wycliffe accepts there is a Catholic denial, but gives it no credit and does not acknowledge the Biblical source of Catholic's adoration of Mary as well as of all Saints with whom we have communion. That is not fair and it is part and parcel of the anti-Catholic nonsense that goes on on this site. I won't stand for it. We are directed by no less than Paul himself to venerate saints. They are of Christ himself. Mary is my personal protector and redeemer yet it is the Father or her Child, who you might also know as '''God''' that I and all Christians worship. Catholics and I assume many protestants ''adore'' and ''venerate'' Mary. We do not worship her and we are not pagans or idolators. I will appreciate some justification of the claim that we worship her or expect Wycliffe qualify or retract this assertion. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 15:05, 31 December 2010 (EST)
::::::Calm down, Nate! According to the article as it stands now, it reads:
<blockquote>Many Protestants identify Catholics as worshippers of Mary. Catholics vigorously deny that they worship any being but God. </blockquote> which seems to present both the Protestant ''and'' the Catholic view equally. This phrase indicates that Protestants believe something about Catholics, and that Catholics deny that Protestant belief (in other words, they do not hold that belief to be true). What's the problem here? [[User:Tzoran|Tyler Zoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 31 December 2010 (EST)