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This is the Spirit of Christ speaking. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:56, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
This is the Spirit of Christ speaking. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:56, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
==="The Church cannot save" is not in the Bible; "Baptism does not save" is not in the Bible; "Born again by faith" is not in the Bible===
*There are 80 listings in [[Strong's]] under <small>CHURCH</small> [http://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm '''έκκλησία''' ''ekklesia'']. <br> There is in the New Testament of the Bible no direct statement in any form anywhere that explicitly states that the Church cannot save (you, anyone), that salvation is not in the Church, or that membership in the Church cannot save (you, anyone). <br> A search online at [http://biblehub.com/topical/c/church.htm '''Topical Bible: church'''] and [https://biblehub.com/topical/naves/c/church--membership_in.htm '''Topical Bible: Church: Membership In'''] does not produce any passages under the key words "church" or "church membership" that teach any form of the doctrine that the Church cannot save, as repeatedly and persistently asserted here on this page. <br>You won't find it. I've looked. <br> Look at [https://www.openbible.info/topics/church_membership '''100 Bible Verses about Church Membership''']. <br> It may be that what is meant in reality by the assertion that membership in a church cannot save is that church membership alone cannot guarantee salvation. The Catholic Church agrees. According to Catholic doctrine it is possible to lose the saving grace of one's baptismal salvation through loss of faith or by falling away from Christ into [[apostasy]] away from the body of the Church, which is his body, the temple of the Spirit. But it can be restored, through the [[Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation]] (Confession) to a member of the Church having the ministry of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:18-20).
:Cite chapter and verse in the New Testament that says explicitly that "no church can save" or that "salvation is not from the church" or "salvation is not found in the church (any church)" or that "the church cannot save you" (''and never did'') or that "church membership cannot save" (you, anyone). The passage must have the word "church" as used frequently in denials of its necessity for salvation on this page.
*There are 22 listings in Strong's under <small>BAPTISM</small> [http://biblehub.com/greek/908.htm '''βάπτισμα''' ''baptisma'']. <br> There is in the New Testament of the Bible no direct statement in any form anywhere that explicitly states that Baptism does not or cannot save (you, anyone). <br> A search online at [http://biblehub.com/topical/b/baptism.htm '''Topical Bible: baptism'''] and [http://biblehub.com/topical/w/water_baptism.htm '''Topical Bible: water baptism'''] does not produce any passages under the key words "baptism" or "water baptism" that teach any form of the doctrine that baptism does not regenerate and does not save (us, you, anyone) now, as repeatedly and persistently asserted here on this page. <br>You won't find it. I've looked. <br> Look at [https://www.openbible.info/topics/baptism '''100 Bible Verses about Baptism'''] and [https://www.openbible.info/topics/unsaved '''100 Bible Verses about Unsaved'''].
:Cite chapter and verse in the New Testament that says explicitly that "baptism does not save" (us, you, anyone) "now" or that "baptism cannot save you" (us, anyone) ''and never has, and never did'' or that "salvation is not through baptism" or that " membership in the body of Christ by baptism into Christ cannot save" (us, you, anyone) or that "baptism is not for infants and babies" or that "babies should not be baptized until they can confess faith in Jesus". The passage must have the key word "baptism" as used frequently in denials of its necessity for salvation on this page, and in the case of babies "infant baptism" or "baptized infants" together with the key words "must not", "cannot", "forbidden", "false", "unnecessary".
*The phrase "''born again by faith in the word of God''", "''born again by faith in the Lord''", "''born again by faith''", is not found in the New Testament. <br> Look at [https://www.openbible.info/topics/being_born_again_ '''100 Bible Verses about Being Born Again''' (openbible.info)]. <br>Being saved by faith is proclaimed. <br>Being born of God is proclaimed. <br>Being born by the washing of regeneration is proclaimed. <br>Being saved by the blood of Christ is proclaimed. <br>But no passage of scripture has the explicit phrase "born by faith" or "born again by faith". The term "born again" is not found together with the term "faith" in any text of the Bible. The term "born again" is not found together with the term "saved" in any passage of the Bible.
*See the main page of this article under '''"Regenerate" in John 3:3-5: Greek <big>γεννηθή</big> ''gennethe'''''. The Greek text of the New Testament itself teaches ''regenerative baptism'', which has been absolutely denied on this page by the frequent and persistent assertion that baptism is unnecessary for salvation and does not save because it opposes salvation by faith alone ''sola fide''. The plain and obvious reality of '''γεννηθή''' ''gennethe'' as spiritual regeneration of the soul from death to life is directly asserted as truth without any recourse to Church doctrine or tradition or academic scholarship and exegesis. It's solely what the Bible says, plain and simple. See the [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-3.htm interlinear text of John 3:3] and [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-4.htm John 3:4] and [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5]. Anyone who says Jesus is wrong, by actually saying '''γεννηθή''' ''gennethe'' by water and the Spirit is not regeneration unto life, opposes the word of the Lord. Whether knowingly or unknowingly doing so makes no difference. It is a [[falsehood]]. Denial contradicts the Bible and puts no faith in Jesus' word as truth. That alone condemns ''as not of God'' the point of view that "the washing of water with the word" Ephesians 5:26, baptism with water consecrated by the word of God, can not, does not, never has, and never will save by regeneration unto eternal life, by joining the baptized to the very body of Jesus Christ himself as a living member of his body in whom is no sin.
*Bring forth the scripture that explicitly states "baptism does not save, baptism cannot save", "the Church does not save, the Church cannot save", and "membership in the Church does not save", or that "membership in the Church eternally assures salvation" (which Catholic doctrine also rejects)—''Chapter and verse, with words "church", "membership", "baptism" (cannot does not) "save", "salvation"''. Show the Bible passage that explicitly says in any form "''born again by faith.''" (You can't. I know, because I looked, and tried to find it. It can't be found. It's not in the Bible.)
:If you cannot find such passages in the Bible to support the assertions made here about salvation by faith alone—''salvation without the necessity of baptismal rebirth by water and the Spirit with the word of God and "working out your own salvation" and by sustaining [[Corporal and spiritual works of mercy]]'' (Philippians 2:12-13; Ephesians 2:8-10)—if you cannot find such passages in the Bible, then it is undeniable proof that the doctrine you have been defending here on this page is not of God. It's not in the Bible. If not, then it either comes from the flesh alone, or from some other place, not from God. In any case it absolutely opposes the truth of the Gospel of salvation through '''γεννηθή''' ''gennethe'' regeneration by water and the Spirit with the word of God and is rightly condemned as a false gospel teaching "another Jesus" qualifying for Paul's ''anathema. Maranatha'' (2 Corinthians 11:4; 1 Corinthians 16:22). It is a rejection of the obedience that Jesus commanded in Matthew 18:15-20, the obedience of faith in the Church he built, his body and the temple of the Holy Spirit, the church gathered in the name of the Lord. <br>[https://biblegateway.com/James%205%3A20.htm '''James 5:20'''.]
:--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:39, 1 November 2019 (EDT)