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→Scientific Claims: On randomness vs. design
Nice example with the dam example. You can show many instances of evolution that are different from biological evolution, but an instance that proves that evolution works for a dam, doesn't disprove other instances of the principle of evolution. It is like saying just because one instance of a wiki based encyclopedia does work, another instances of a wiki based encyclopedia that is different in many details cannot work. [[User:Order|Order]] 21:12, 15 December 2007 (EST)
Nice example with the dam example. You can show many instances of evolution that are different from biological evolution, but an instance that proves that evolution works for a dam, doesn't disprove other instances of the principle of evolution. It is like saying just because one instance of a wiki based encyclopedia does work, another instances of a wiki based encyclopedia that is different in many details cannot work. [[User:Order|Order]] 21:12, 15 December 2007 (EST)
: By random I do mean without purpose or design. I don't follow the second half of your first paragraph.
: I never claimed that randomness excluded design. I said that lack of design means randomness. Sure, a designed system could incorporate randomness (but see a following comment), but an undesigned system must rely on randomness, or chance, and chance/randomness doesn't produce design, yet we see design everywhere. However, systems that use a randomness algorithm actually produce ''pseudo-randomness'', because true randomness cannot be designed, as randomness is the opposite of design. It actually takes some quite clever design to get the pseudo-randomness to be a close representation of true randomness!
: You appear to be missing the point in the last paragraph. The link didn't show evolution working with the dam example. It showed ''natural selection'' working, but natural selection is not evolution, and it showed that natural selection only worked because you had design to start with. Your last sentence is not what I was claiming.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:44, 16 December 2007 (EST)
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