Difference between revisions of "Talk:Liberals and friendship"

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Liberals aren't friends of Andy?

So let me get this straight. Are you saying that liberals will often, or even usually, only make friends with a conservative for the purpose of converting them? Isn't that ascribing an awful lot of malice without real cause? And where's the evidence for this? I have a number of liberal friends. We argue quite a lot about politics, but it doesn't mean we don't remain friends. Do you have any liberal friends, Andy? SSchultz 22:19, 25 February 2008 (EST)

I'm an apathetic-liberal. So, yes, Mr. Schlafly does have liberal friends. -^_^- Fuzzy 22:42, 25 February 2008 (EST)

And are you his friend only to convert him to your heathen liberal ways? SSchultz 23:17, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Heathen? Does that mean you're saying liberals aren't Christians. I said that I'm apathetic-liberal, meaning I don't have a stance on a lot of political issues but some of my thinking is still sort of liberal. I friends with him, but no a great friend, so it's not like I would be capable of "converting" him. It probably doesn't help that I have a type B personality, right?. -^_^- Fuzzy 08:56, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Another take

A Christian friendship is a friendship on Christian terms, as in requiring acceptance, allowance or lack of criticism of Christian values. It is often the product of peer pressure. Someone in a Christian friendship can expect loss of the friendship if he dares to express dismay or disapproval of the Christian values.

A Christian friendship can occur wherever Christians apply peer pressure to spread their belief system. It can occur in college, in relationships, and in the workplace.

In contrast, atheists virtually never require censorship or acceptance of atheist principles as a condition of friendship.

I like this take, here's another one:

A cheese eating friendship can occur whenever cheese eaters apply peer pressure to spread their belief in eating cheese. It can occur in college, in relationships and in the workplace.

You must eat Feta and Stilton or I won't be your friend anymore, even if you don't like cheese! SSchultz 23:22, 25 February 2008 (EST)

I'm lactose intolerant. Please don't shoot me, okay? Aboganza 23:24, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Die, heretic! SSchultz 23:41, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Come on

Are you seriously stating that liberals are only friends with liberals? I know from experience that this is false. I think that it is human nature to naturally be friends with people who agree with you, so people are more likely to be friends with people who agree with them politically. But this trait is not any more likely to be found in a liberal than a conservative, and to suggest that liberals refuse to be friends with people who do not agree with them politically is ridiculous. --Tim (CPAdmin1)^{talk Vote in my NEW polls} 23:31, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Are you calling andy ridiculous, cuz it's his article.KarlJ 23:35, 25 February 2008 (EST)

That's the point, Tim. It seems odd that one should suggest liberals only befriend conservatives for the purpose of converting them. I would expect it's only the lunatic fringe (on both sides of the aisle) that would refuse to be someone's friend only because they hold opposite political views. Most people are friends because of mutual interests and last time I checked politics isn't the sole guiding principle of sports, music, art, literature, or entertainment. SSchultz 23:41, 25 February 2008 (EST)

What I am saying is that it is wrong to claim that liberals are more likely to have friendships like that than conservatives. --Tim (CPAdmin1)^{talk Vote in my NEW polls} 23:42, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Yes, it's a voice of rationality, but conflicts directly with what aschlfly says.KarlJ 23:45, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Tim, I agree with you. Let's try an experiment. Why don't you put that statement into the article and we'll see how long it lasts. SSchultz 23:46, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Which statement. --Tim (CPAdmin1)^{talk Vote in my NEW polls} 23:47, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Schlafly specifically says that this is liberal friendship (all the stuff in the article) and you are saying that it is not unique to liberals.KarlJ 23:48, 25 February 2008 (EST)

KarlJ, if you can't express yourself respectably, then please leave. You won't receive another warning. This is a high-quality site and will continue to be one.--Aschlafly 23:50, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Please excuse me...comment fixed.KarlJ 23:51, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Reply to all above

Folks, a little logic, please? The entry does not say that all liberals behave this way, or even that most do. It does describe a common type of friendship that is hardly disputable.--Aschlafly 23:34, 25 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you completely, except the "hardly disputable" part. What makes it undisputable?KarlJ 23:36, 25 February 2008 (EST)

So, it's common that liberals befriend conservatives only to convert them to liberal thinking? This really makes it sound like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Do you have any citations for this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SSchultz (talk)

Just observe a typical conservative in any organization dominated by liberals, or a typical conservative in a class run by a dominating liberal, or observe anyone married to a determined liberal, and draw your own conclusions. The very term politically correct developed out of a liberal insistence to censor and banish conservative expression.--Aschlafly 23:50, 25 February 2008 (EST)

As I recall, James Carville and Mary Matalin are married and Carville doesn't seem to have converted Matalin into a liberal. Now admittedly if you're a conservative and waltz into PETA or Move On, you're likely to face a lot of pressure, but that's what I said above about the lunatic fringe. I would expect a liberal would face similar pressure walking into a Focus on the Family or People for the American Way meeting. SSchultz 23:54, 25 February 2008 (EST)

First of all, your example of a conservative in a liberal organization. One counterexample does not prove a statement false, and secondly, friendship works in 2 directions, so it is just as much of a counterexample against your liberal friendship idea. Secondly with your anyone married to a determined liberal example. That works both ways as well. The determined liberal is married to their spouse just as much as the spouse is married to the determined liberal. I don't see what political correctness has to do with supposed liberal friendship. --Tim (CPAdmin1)^{talk Vote in my NEW polls} 23:57, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Um, Schultzie, People for the American Way are so left they are practically communists.KarlJ 23:58, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Also, could you give an example of a "liberal friendship" --Tim (CPAdmin1)^{talk Vote in my NEW polls} 00:29, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Liberals aren't friends of Andy?

Given that no cites or references are offered in this "encyclopedia" entry, why was my unsourced tag taken down? --KimSell 15:33, 26 February 2008 (EST)