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: 6.  All unaided things become more disordered and scattered over time.   

: 6.  All unaided things become more disordered and scattered over time.   

::'''Counter''' Which is an argument against the existence of technology, cities, cars and everything advanced. This is a (rather embarrasing) misconception about the second law of thermodynamics. It states that entropy increases in a closed system. The earth is not a closed system, as processes here are powered by the energy originating from the sun. Order can increase in a system as long as more energy is inserted. A '''closed''' system is a system that doesn't receive such outside energy.

::'''Counter''' Which is an argument against the existence of technology, cities, cars and everything advanced. This is a (rather embarrasing) misconception about the second law of thermodynamics. It states that entropy increases in a closed system. The earth is not a closed system, as processes here are powered by the energy originating from the sun. Order can increase in a system as long as more energy is inserted. A '''closed''' system is a system that doesn't receive such outside energy.

::::'''Comment on "closed system":'''  So what you are saying that the order and energy of the Earth is dependent and derived from the Sun.  Where does the Sun get its energy?  What happens when it runs out of fuel, whether that be millions or even billions of years away?  Molecules are ''still'' breaking down within the Sun.  No matter how you look at it, the entire universe, "closed system" or not, is a slave of the second law of thermodynamics.  (David R.)

::::'''Comment on "closed system":'''  So what you are saying that the order and energy of the Earth is dependent and derived from the Sun.  Where does the Sun get its energy?  What happens when it runs out of fuel, whether that be millions or even billions of years away?  Molecules are ''still'' breaking down within the Sun.  No matter how you look at it, the entire universe, "closed system" or not, is a slave of the second law of thermodynamics.  [[User:David R|David R]]

:::::'''Further comment:'''  That's right, David.  By the way, the injection of energy into a system ''increases'' entropy.  The only way to decrease entropy is intelligent ordering or intervention.  Without that, entropy and disorder always increase.  Whatever species existed 5000 years ago, in the absence of divine intervention there must be less ordered, less advanced, fewer species today.  We see many examples of this:  species go extinct each year, breeds of dogs degrade (e.g., Golden Retriever), even humans have increased incidence of asthma and other health problems from generation to generation.  Take a look at how smart humans were just 100 or 200 years ago by looking at their writings, and compare that to the average human writings today.  Entropy predicts degradation of everything over time in the absence of intelligent intervention.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:26, 14 January 2007 (EST)

:::::'''Further comment:'''  That's right, David.  By the way, the injection of energy into a system ''increases'' entropy.  The only way to decrease entropy is intelligent ordering or intervention.  Without that, entropy and disorder always increase.  Whatever species existed 5000 years ago, in the absence of divine intervention there must be less ordered, less advanced, fewer species today.  We see many examples of this:  species go extinct each year, breeds of dogs degrade (e.g., Golden Retriever), even humans have increased incidence of asthma and other health problems from generation to generation.  Take a look at how smart humans were just 100 or 200 years ago by looking at their writings, and compare that to the average human writings today.  Entropy predicts degradation of everything over time in the absence of intelligent intervention.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:26, 14 January 2007 (EST)