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''See also:'' [[Sexual harassment at atheist conferences]]

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On June ~~20th~~, 2011, Rebecca Watson of [[Skepchick]] uploaded a YouTube video in which she complained about a man in an elevator asking her up to his room for coffee at an atheist conference in Dublin, Ireland.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk#t=376 About Mythbusters, Robot Eyes, Feminism, and Jokes]</ref> The incident occurred at around 4am in the morning.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk#t=376 About Mythbusters, Robot Eyes, Feminism, and Jokes]</ref> Watson was upset by this incident and subsequently blogged about it.

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On June 20, 2011, Rebecca Watson of [[Skepchick]] uploaded a YouTube video in which she complained about a man in an elevator asking her up to his room for coffee at an atheist conference in Dublin, Ireland.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk#t=376 About Mythbusters, Robot Eyes, Feminism, and Jokes]</ref> The incident occurred at around 4am in the morning.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk#t=376 About Mythbusters, Robot Eyes, Feminism, and Jokes]</ref> Watson was upset by this incident and subsequently blogged about it.

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Watson declared in her June ~~20th~~, 2011 video:

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Watson declared in her June 20, 2011 video:

{{cquote|Um, just a word to wise here, guys, uh, don’t do that. You know, I don’t really know how else to explain how this makes me incredibly uncomfortable, but I’ll just sort of lay it out that I was a single woman, you know, in a foreign country, at 4:00 am, in a hotel elevator, with you, just you, and -- don’t invite me back to your hotel room right after I finish talking about how it creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable when men sexualize me in that manner.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk#t=376 About Mythbusters, Robot Eyes, Feminism, and Jokes]</ref>}}

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=== Richard Dawkins initial Elevatorgate comments - Dear Muslima letter ===

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''See also:'' [[Richard Dawkins' Elevatorgate comments#Richard Dawkins initial Elevatorgate comments - Dear Muslima letter|Richard Dawkins "Dear Muslima" Elevatorgate letter]] and [[Richard Dawkins quotes]]

Richard Dawkins initial Elevatorgate comment at [[PZ Myers]] blog [[Pharyngula (blog)|Pharyngula]] on July 2, 2011:

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{{cquote|Dear [[Muslim~~|Muslima~~]],

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{{cquote|Dear [[Muslim]]a,

Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and . . . yawn . . . don't tell me yet again, I know you aren't allowed to drive a car, and you can't leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you'll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.

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*[http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-15/atheist-sexism-women/50416454/1 Atheists address sexism issues - USA Today]</ref>

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According to Rebecca Watson atheist women are often punished for being outspoken - particularly when they speak about [[feminism]].<ref>[http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/women-are-afraid-of-atheism/51fae2acfe344467f2000596 Calling All Female Atheists - Huffington Post - video]</ref> In August of 2013, Watson said the harassment she received from male atheists skyrocketed after Elevatorgate. <ref>[http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/women-are-afraid-of-atheism/51fae2acfe344467f2000596 Calling All Female Atheists - Huffington Post - video]</ref>

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According to Rebecca Watson atheist women are often punished for being outspoken - particularly when they speak about [[feminism]].<ref>[http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/women-are-afraid-of-atheism/51fae2acfe344467f2000596 Calling All Female Atheists - Huffington Post - video]</ref> In August 2013, Watson said the harassment she received from male atheists skyrocketed after Elevatorgate.<ref>[http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/women-are-afraid-of-atheism/51fae2acfe344467f2000596 Calling All Female Atheists - Huffington Post - video]</ref>

Furthermore, she said she still receives harassment from male fans of Richard Dawkins.<ref>[http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/women-are-afraid-of-atheism/51fae2acfe344467f2000596 Calling All Female Atheists - Huffington Post - video]</ref> The atheist feminist [[Sikivu Hutchinson]] concurs with Watson and says that sexual harassment has been institutionalized within the atheist movement and that atheist men have an investment in censoring, controlling and policing women and also have an investment in "male privilege".<ref>[http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/women-are-afraid-of-atheism/51fae2acfe344467f2000596 Calling All Female Atheists - Huffington Post - video]</ref>

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{{cquote|Hundreds of atheists have informed me that either they wanted to rape me, someone should rape me so that I will loosen up or that no one would ever rape me because I am so ugly".<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1mLHdTsmPc PZ Myers and the Art of Shameless Dishonesty]</ref>}}

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In July of 2012, Watson declared: "It get regular rape threats. I get regular rape and murder threats".<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96FtpDLi_Vw FreeThoughtBlogs and PZ Myers]</ref> Furthermore, in August of 2013, [[Rebecca Watson]] said that post Elevatorgate she received a flood of rape threats and she continues to receive rape threats (see: [[Atheism and rape]]).<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/06/sikivu-ophelia-and-rebecca-who-says-atheism-lacks-women-stars/ Sikivu, Ophelia, and Rebecca — who says atheism lacks women stars?]</ref>

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In July 2012, Watson declared: "It get regular rape threats. I get regular rape and murder threats".<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96FtpDLi_Vw FreeThoughtBlogs and PZ Myers]</ref> Furthermore, in August 2013, [[Rebecca Watson]] said that post Elevatorgate she received a flood of rape threats and she continues to receive rape threats (see: [[Atheism and rape]]).<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/06/sikivu-ophelia-and-rebecca-who-says-atheism-lacks-women-stars/ Sikivu, Ophelia, and Rebecca — who says atheism lacks women stars?]</ref>

See also:

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=== Allegation that Rebecca Watson was behaving hypocritically ===

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[[File:Rebecca-watson.jpg|thumbnail|150px|Rebecca Watson ]]

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[[File:Rebecca-watson.jpg|thumbnail|150px|Rebecca Watson]]

Amanda Read wrote in the ''[[Washington Times]]'' that she believed Watson was behaving hypocritically and declared:

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== Previous incident of Richard Dawkins being unkind to a woman ==

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In September of 2010, Richard Dawkins became nasty towards a woman in an audience he spoke before.<ref>http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/richard-dawkins-i-never-meet-people-who-disagree-with-me-2080451.html</ref>

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In September 2010, Richard Dawkins became nasty towards a woman in an audience he spoke before.<ref>http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/richard-dawkins-i-never-meet-people-who-disagree-with-me-2080451.html</ref>

For more information please see: [[Richard Dawkins and women]]

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[[File:2404429188 ea8f1fc48b.jpg|thumb|250px|Survey data and website tracking data of prominent atheist websites indicate that in the Western World, [[Atheism and women|atheism appears to be significantly less appealing to women]]. According to the website tracking firms [[Alexa]] and Quantcast women frequent the website of richarddawkins.net significantly less than men.<ref>http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/richarddawkins.net</ref><ref>http://www.quantcast.com/richarddawkins.net#demographics</ref>

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Although major press outlets have covered Elevatorgate<ref>

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Although major press outlets have covered Elevatorgate,<ref>

*[http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/07/08/atheist_flirting Richard Dawkins: Skeptic of women? - Salon, July 8, 2011]

*[http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2011/07/richard-dawkins-chewing-gum Sharing a lift with Richard Dawkins by David Allen Green - New Stateman - 06 July 2011]

*[http://gawker.com/5818993/richard-dawkins-torn-limb-from-limbby-atheists Richard Dawkins Torn Limb From L

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*[http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-15/atheist-sexism-women/50416454/1 Atheists address sexism issues - USA Today]</ref>, most of the commentary surrounding the events of Elevatorgate has been in the atheist blogosphere.

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*[http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-15/atheist-sexism-women/50416454/1 Atheists address sexism issues - USA Today]</ref> most of the commentary surrounding the events of Elevatorgate has been in the atheist blogosphere.

Concerning post Elevatorgate events one atheist blogger wrote:

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{{cquote|There was then lots and lots and lots of [[~~Argybargy|~~argybargy]], and now it's being said gallons of misogynist men over the net are trying to shout down Rebecca Watson; that is explicitly so presented in this very recent broadcast [http://wearecitizenradio.com/2011/07/11/20110711-rebecca-watson-on-richard-dawkins-sexist-comments-and-the-atheist-community/ on Citizen Radio] featuring an interview of Watson (the part with Watson starts only a bit after 20 minutes into the recording, so skip the first 20 minutes).<ref>[http://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?bt=5857 ElevatorGate: Rebecca Watson & Richard Dawkins are not the droids you're looking for - Heathen Hub]</ref>}}

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{{cquote|There was then lots and lots and lots of [[argybargy]], and now it's being said gallons of misogynist men over the net are trying to shout down Rebecca Watson; that is explicitly so presented in this very recent broadcast [http://wearecitizenradio.com/2011/07/11/20110711-rebecca-watson-on-richard-dawkins-sexist-comments-and-the-atheist-community/ on Citizen Radio] featuring an interview of Watson (the part with Watson starts only a bit after 20 minutes into the recording, so skip the first 20 minutes).<ref>[http://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?bt=5857 ElevatorGate: Rebecca Watson & Richard Dawkins are not the droids you're looking for - Heathen Hub]</ref>}}

Subsequent to Elevatorgate there was 3 weeks of infighting within the atheist community.<ref>[http://synapses.co.za/elevatorgate-power-words/ Elevatorgate - the power of words]</ref>

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None of this is a reflection on the worth of the many contributions that both of these people have made to the atheist cause. I hope and am confident that they will both continue to offer a lot of good things to this community.<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/07/01/major-changes-at-freethought-blogs/ Major changes at freethoughtblogs - Ed Brayton]</ref>}}

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The matter which appeared to spark the contention was how to properly deal with the significant amount of [[misogny]] within the atheist community (see: [[Atheism and women]] and [[Atheism and rape]] and [[Elevatorgate]] and [[Women's views of Richard Dawkins]] and [[Atheism, polyamory and other immoral relationships|Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]]).<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/07/01/thunderf00t-check-your-email/ Thunderf00t, check your email - PZ Myers]</ref><ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuKH3trPpgY&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A&index=1&feature=plcp Thunderf00t on how to handle misogny in the atheist community]</ref><ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunderf00t/2012/07/01/skepchickcon-and-the-harassment-lol-icy/ SkepchickCON and the Harassment LOL-icy]</ref><ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunderf00t/2012/06/29/is-it-freethoughtblogs-or-group-think-blogs/ Is it ‘Freethoughtblogs’ or ‘Group-think-blogs’?]</ref>

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The matter which appeared to spark the contention was how to properly deal with the significant amount of [[misogny]] within the atheist community (see: [[Atheism and women]] and [[Atheism and rape]] and Elevatorgate and [[Women's views of Richard Dawkins]] and [[Atheism, polyamory and other immoral relationships|Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]]).<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/07/01/thunderf00t-check-your-email/ Thunderf00t, check your email - PZ Myers]</ref><ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuKH3trPpgY&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A&index=1&feature=plcp Thunderf00t on how to handle misogny in the atheist community]</ref><ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunderf00t/2012/07/01/skepchickcon-and-the-harassment-lol-icy/ SkepchickCON and the Harassment LOL-icy]</ref><ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunderf00t/2012/06/29/is-it-freethoughtblogs-or-group-think-blogs/ Is it ‘Freethoughtblogs’ or ‘Group-think-blogs’?]</ref>

[[Vox Day]] wrote that Thunderf00t's removal from Freethoughtblogs exemplified [[PZ Myers]]'s unwillingness to intellectually engage his opponents and his lack of integrity.<ref>[http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/07/free-fascistthoughtblogs.html Vox Fay on Freethoughtblogs</ref>

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=== TheAmazingAtheist on Elevatorgate ===

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On July ~~12th~~, 2011, the YouTube atheist [[TheAmazingAtheist]], who is known for his [[misogyny]], uploaded a video declaring that Rebecca Watson had overreacted, which had upwards of 300,000 views and 12,400 comments in the first two years.<ref>[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/elevatorgate Elevatorgate - Know Your Meme]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqU9JFbtucU#t=49 Don't Take This The Wrong Way], video of TheAmazingAtheist, posted on July 12th, 2011</ref>

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On July 12, 2011, the YouTube atheist [[TheAmazingAtheist]], who is known for his [[misogyny]], uploaded a video declaring that Rebecca Watson had overreacted, which had upwards of 300,000 views and 12,400 comments in the first two years.<ref>[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/elevatorgate Elevatorgate - Know Your Meme]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqU9JFbtucU#t=49 Don't Take This The Wrong Way], video of TheAmazingAtheist, posted on July 12th, 2011</ref>

=== Reason Rally related incident involving David Silverman and Richard Dawkins ===

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''See also:'' [[Atheist movement]] and [[Atheist pessimism about the atheist movement]]

[[File:Michael Nugent.jpg|thumbnail|right|175px|[[Michael Nugent]] is an Irish atheist.]]

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Richard Dawkins is still widely criticized for igniting deep fractures in the atheist movement through his Elevatorgate controversy. For example, on November 26, 2013, the atheist activist and blogger [[Jen McCreight]] posted at Twitter the message: "Did anyone on Dawkins AMA ask how he feels about singlehandedly destroying the [[atheist movement]] with the Dear Muslima yet?"<ref>[https://twitter.com/jennifurret/status/405391218273554433 Jennifer McCreight on the Twitter about the Elevatorgate scandal]</ref> In December of 2013, atheist Jack Vance at Atheist Revolution called July 2, 2011, which is the day that Elevatorgate occurred, "The day the atheist movement died."<ref>[http://www.atheistrev.com/2013/12/the-day-atheist-movement-died.html The Day the Atheist Movement Died] by Jack Vance at Atheist Revolution</ref>

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Richard Dawkins is still widely criticized for igniting deep fractures in the atheist movement through his Elevatorgate controversy. For example, on November 26, 2013, the atheist activist and blogger [[Jen McCreight]] posted at Twitter the message: "Did anyone on Dawkins AMA ask how he feels about singlehandedly destroying the [[atheist movement]] with the Dear Muslima yet?"<ref>[https://twitter.com/jennifurret/status/405391218273554433 Jennifer McCreight on the Twitter about the Elevatorgate scandal]</ref> In December 2013, atheist Jack Vance at Atheist Revolution called July 2, 2011, which is the day that Elevatorgate occurred, "The day the atheist movement died."<ref>[http://www.atheistrev.com/2013/12/the-day-atheist-movement-died.html The Day the Atheist Movement Died] by Jack Vance at Atheist Revolution</ref>

=== Many secular leftists strongly criticizing Richard Dawkins post-Elevatorgate ===

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</ref> Women, blacks and hispanics are less likely to become atheists (see: [[Atheism and women]] and [[Western atheism and race]]).

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For example, an atheist commenter on [[Michael Nugent]]'s website wrote in 2014: "The problem, as identified by almost every mainstream outsider-looking-in, [[Atheism and women|is sexism]]; it’s [[Irreligion and domestic violence|harassment of women]]; it’s the tacit support of this by many of [[Atheism and leadership|high profile figures]] in atheism; and it’s the awful comments by Dawkins on twitter regarding rape, disability and feminism. This has discredited the Atheist movement, likely for good. It’s over. Mention of Dawkins in public now induces a pained cringe at best."<ref> An atheist comment about the article [http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/09/25/pz-myers-unfair-and-hurtful-misrepresentations-of-richard-dawkins-comments-about-being-abused-as-a-child/ PZ Myers’ unfair and hurtful misrepresentations of Richard Dawkins’ comments about being abused as a child] by Michael Nugent on September 25, 2014</ref>

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For example, an atheist commenter on [[Michael Nugent]]'s website wrote in 2014: "The problem, as identified by almost every mainstream outsider-looking-in, [[Atheism and women|is sexism]]; it’s [[Irreligion and domestic violence|harassment of women]]; it’s the tacit support of this by many of [[Atheism and leadership|high profile figures]] in atheism; and it’s the awful comments by Dawkins on twitter regarding rape, disability and feminism. This has discredited the Atheist movement, likely for good. It’s over. Mention of Dawkins in public now induces a pained cringe at best."<ref>An atheist comment about the article [http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/09/25/pz-myers-unfair-and-hurtful-misrepresentations-of-richard-dawkins-comments-about-being-abused-as-a-child/ PZ Myers’ unfair and hurtful misrepresentations of Richard Dawkins’ comments about being abused as a child] by Michael Nugent on September 25, 2014</ref>

The Irish atheist Michael Nugent insisted in 2014 that Richard Dawkins is being unfairly demonized by various atheists.<ref>[http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/08/07/the-demonising-of-richard-dawkins-and-the-normalising-of-casual-defamatory-smears/ The demonising of Richard Dawkins, and the normalising of casual defamatory smears] by Michael Nugent on August 7, 2014</ref> On April 2015, Atheist Ireland announced via Michael Nugent's blog, "Atheist Ireland is publicly dissociating itself from the hurtful and dehumanising, hateful and violent, unjust and defamatory rhetoric of the atheist blogger [[PZ Myers]]... He said Richard Dawkins ‘seems to have developed a callous indifference to the sexual abuse of children’ and ‘has been eaten by brain parasites’"<ref>[http://www.michaelnugent.com/2015/04/07/atheist-ireland-dissociates-from-pz-myers/ Atheist Ireland publicly dissociates itself from the harmful and hateful rhetoric of PZ Myers] by Michael Nugent, April 7, 2015</ref> See also: [[Richard Dawkins and women]] and [[Richard Dawkins on child molestation and so called "gentle pedophiles"]]

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On July 27, 2014, David Osano at Skeptic Ink Network wrote in response to this public announcement:

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{{cquote|I seriously want to know if Ophelia Benson still thinks that calling to the boycott of Dawkins’ books is managing “disagreement ethically, like reasonable adults”. I want to know if she still condones the way '''Rebecca Watson''' [http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/Attacks_on_Stef_McGraw bullied] '''Stef McGraw''' and got her to shut down her blog. What part of that is not “trying to destroy the other”? Remember Michael Payton, whose job was put at jeopardy just because Benson and her pals [http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/files/2012/08/payton-1.png couldn’t figure out a tweet] and thought he had a different opinion? That’s pretty destroying, if you ask me.<ref>[http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/2014/07/27/ophelia-benson/ The Ophelia Benson canard], Posted by Ðavid A. Osorio S on Jul 27, 2014 </ref>}}

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{{cquote|I seriously want to know if Ophelia Benson still thinks that calling to the boycott of Dawkins’ books is managing “disagreement ethically, like reasonable adults”. I want to know if she still condones the way '''Rebecca Watson''' [http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/Attacks_on_Stef_McGraw bullied] '''Stef McGraw''' and got her to shut down her blog. What part of that is not “trying to destroy the other”? Remember Michael Payton, whose job was put at jeopardy just because Benson and her pals [http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/files/2012/08/payton-1.png couldn’t figure out a tweet] and thought he had a different opinion? That’s pretty destroying, if you ask me.<ref>[http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/2014/07/27/ophelia-benson/ The Ophelia Benson canard], Posted by Ðavid A. Osorio S on Jul 27, 2014</ref>}}

== Dawkins apologizes three years later for Elevatorgate comment, but later says Rebecca Watson's invitation for coffee was a rather trivial incident ==

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== PZ Myers' prediction that the atheism movement will stagnate or shrink unless atheists change ==

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''See also:'' [[Atheist movement]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence|Atheism and social intelligence]] and [[Atheism and emotional/intrapersonal intelligence|Atheism and emotional intelligence]] and [[Atheism and morality]] and [[Atheism and charity|Atheism and uncharitableness]]

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== Thunderf00t on the impact of Freethoughtblogs and Rebecca Watson ==

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In October of 2014, the popular YouTube atheist [[Thunderf00t]] indicated that the bloggers at Freethoughtblogs accidentally put him on their email list and that they spend a considerable amount of time emailing each other engaging in petty matters. In fact, he indicated that they spent more time emailing each other than engaged in actual blogging. He also questioned the impact of the bloggers of Freethoughtblogs on social justice.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref> Furthermore, he indicated that their attempt to make him a pariah within the atheist community had virtually no impact.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref>

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In October 2014, the popular YouTube atheist [[Thunderf00t]] indicated that the bloggers at Freethoughtblogs accidentally put him on their email list and that they spend a considerable amount of time emailing each other engaging in petty matters. In fact, he indicated that they spent more time emailing each other than engaged in actual blogging. He also questioned the impact of the bloggers of Freethoughtblogs on social justice.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref> Furthermore, he indicated that their attempt to make him a pariah within the atheist community had virtually no impact.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref>

He also indicated that the accomplishments of Rebecca Watson are very thin and that she promotes feminism in an offensive manner.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref>

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{{cquote|Polyamory and swinging and even the attending of orgies requires more ethical behavior and more careful attention to boundaries and consent than traditional sexual relationships do. And people who are ethical enough to be accepted in those communities are the very people who get [[Atheism plus|Atheism+]] and why it is needed.

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The bottom line is, we are already enthusiastically in favor of people pursuing all kinds of sexual activities, even at [[Atheist conferences|atheist events]]. Many of our most avid supports are wholeheartedly doing this. The only thing we are concerned about is that people do this ethically, that people don’t use their sex drives as an excuse to harass, harm, or cross boundaries.<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4405 Our Mythical Campaign against Sex], Richard Carrier,</ref>}}

=== Commentary by PZ Myers ===

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PZ Myers wrote in 2013:

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== Richard Dawkins' loss of influence post Elevatatorgate ==

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As can be seen by the graph below, by means of embedded code on his website from Quantcast, Quantcast directly measures the web traffic of Richard Dawkins' website. Traffic to Dawkins website is significantly down post-Elevatorgate.

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[[File:Richard Dawkins' website traffic.jpg|500px|thumbnail|center|The above graph shows the monthly website traffic to Richard Dawkins' website as of June 22, 2015 in terms of unique monthly web visitors.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2015/06/web-traffic-of-richard-dawkins-main.html Web traffic of Richard Dawkins' main website]</ref> As you can see above, in 2012, Richard Dawkins saw a very large decrease in web traffic.

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The website traffic is measured via [[Quantcast]] which directly measures Dawkins' website traffic via embedded code on his website.<ref>[https://www.quantcast.com/measure/ Quantcast - Quantcast Measure]</ref>]]

=== Alexa ranking of Richard Dawkins' website ===

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== Blog posts on Elevatorgate ==

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== Disharmony, factionalism and global decline of atheism ==

[[File:Hong Kong Christians at Gateway Camp.jpg|thumbnail|right|250px|[[Hong Kong]] Christians at Gateway Camp. In 2005, there were four times as many non-Western World Christians as there were [[Western World]] Christians.<ref>[http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=30077 Is Christianity taking over the planet?]</ref> See: [[Global Christianity]]

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