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, 12:20, October 29, 2017→I think the Princess and the Frog deserves a chance=
I think that even one movie you called conservative (Lion King 2: Simba's Pride) could be considered feminist. Both the central protagonist (Kiara) and the central antagonist (Zira) are females and generally seem to be portrayed to be the most competent. On the flip side, the only male, other than Rafiki of course, portrayed in a good light was Kovu (and he was originally bad but turned good when he fell in love with Kiara. Also, after being unjustly banished, Kovu suggested that they run away together and escape their problems. It was Kiara who suggested that they go back and stop the fighting. Again, another arguement that Lion King 2: Simba's Pride could be labeled feminist.). (Also, I might add that poor Nunca was allowed to be neglected, try and take out Simba to get Zira's love, and die trying. Vitani, on the other hand, was allowed to live to see Zira for what she was and to be able to get redemption.) Even Simba was portrayed as a father who just didn't seem to want what's best for his daughter (however, to Simba's defense, I don't recall Nala having that many lines at all in Lion King 2). If Lion King 2 can be labeled conservative, so should The Princess and the Frog. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 23:57, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
I think that even one movie you called conservative (Lion King 2: Simba's Pride) could be considered feminist. Both the central protagonist (Kiara) and the central antagonist (Zira) are females and generally seem to be portrayed to be the most competent. On the flip side, the only male, other than Rafiki of course, portrayed in a good light was Kovu (and he was originally bad but turned good when he fell in love with Kiara. Also, after being unjustly banished, Kovu suggested that they run away together and escape their problems. It was Kiara who suggested that they go back and stop the fighting. Again, another arguement that Lion King 2: Simba's Pride could be labeled feminist.). (Also, I might add that poor Nunca was allowed to be neglected, try and take out Simba to get Zira's love, and die trying. Vitani, on the other hand, was allowed to live to see Zira for what she was and to be able to get redemption.) Even Simba was portrayed as a father who just didn't seem to want what's best for his daughter (however, to Simba's defense, I don't recall Nala having that many lines at all in Lion King 2). If Lion King 2 can be labeled conservative, so should The Princess and the Frog. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 23:57, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
:To be fair regarding Simba, he actually DID have a valid point considering the Outlanders had served Scar earlier (and quite frankly, he's still an A-Okay Dad overall compared to Maurice and Sultan (who many times actually NEEDED rescuing by their daughters and usually don't succeed in saving their daughters even once. Not to mention more than once were largely depicted as doofuses.), or ESPECIALLY King Stefan from Maleficent). Besides, not all females were depicted as being good or even redeemable in the film. Zira most certainly wasn't. But yeah, like I said, we probably should wait for Aschlafly's response, since he's the one who decreed it a worst liberal film in the first place. For that matter, I'll see what Asclafly's response regarding Simba's Pride is. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:20, 29 October 2017 (EDT)