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:::::Actually resistance to medication by Viruses has been shown in vetro to occur by mutations within the genome of the virus.  HIV being a retrovirus replicates and mutates its genome far faster than bacteria and other viruses so you have many generations in a very short period of time, an hour or less.  Because of this you can see the stages of mutation towards the medication and how the virus is able to adapt to the environmental stresses.  Those that do not develop the mutations that allow for some adaptability to the medication's ability to block the virus from attaching to the cell do not replicate.  This is why the HIV meds that are most successful today are targeting the reverstranscriptase of the virus to reduce its ability to mutate.  HIV is a pretty simple virus as such it does not have many of the genetic correction mechanisms you find in other organisms, not to mention that RNA is more unstable than DNA and is prone to mistranscription.  This is why there are so many different strains of HIV in the world, basically for each infection the virus mutates in that organism and acquirers different resistances to be passed on to a newly infected individual.  This is one of the ways we can trace an infection back an originator within so many degrees.
 
:::::Actually resistance to medication by Viruses has been shown in vetro to occur by mutations within the genome of the virus.  HIV being a retrovirus replicates and mutates its genome far faster than bacteria and other viruses so you have many generations in a very short period of time, an hour or less.  Because of this you can see the stages of mutation towards the medication and how the virus is able to adapt to the environmental stresses.  Those that do not develop the mutations that allow for some adaptability to the medication's ability to block the virus from attaching to the cell do not replicate.  This is why the HIV meds that are most successful today are targeting the reverstranscriptase of the virus to reduce its ability to mutate.  HIV is a pretty simple virus as such it does not have many of the genetic correction mechanisms you find in other organisms, not to mention that RNA is more unstable than DNA and is prone to mistranscription.  This is why there are so many different strains of HIV in the world, basically for each infection the virus mutates in that organism and acquirers different resistances to be passed on to a newly infected individual.  This is one of the ways we can trace an infection back an originator within so many degrees.
 
:::::Evolution does not always involve new information as much as it involves a change in information.  If you are using the new information frame of mind when dealing with evolution then you would have to say that a human's genome should be one of the largest in the animal kingdom (more evolved).  This is shown to be untrue as there are insects with larger genomes.  Think of the lottery when dealing with gene expression.  The loci can change on chromosomes and allow for different reading frames for transcription.  A slight mutation can totally change the entire transcription as well, sickle cells are caused by a single codon change during translation that changes the hemoglobin protein.  If the mutation is carried to successive generations it is considered evolution.  (Please remember that evolution makes no claims that it is positive or negative just that the accumulation of mutation can cause differences in organisms which can lead to speciation.)--[[User:Tims|TimS]] 08:50, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::Evolution does not always involve new information as much as it involves a change in information.  If you are using the new information frame of mind when dealing with evolution then you would have to say that a human's genome should be one of the largest in the animal kingdom (more evolved).  This is shown to be untrue as there are insects with larger genomes.  Think of the lottery when dealing with gene expression.  The loci can change on chromosomes and allow for different reading frames for transcription.  A slight mutation can totally change the entire transcription as well, sickle cells are caused by a single codon change during translation that changes the hemoglobin protein.  If the mutation is carried to successive generations it is considered evolution.  (Please remember that evolution makes no claims that it is positive or negative just that the accumulation of mutation can cause differences in organisms which can lead to speciation.)--[[User:Tims|TimS]] 08:50, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
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::::::Good evening TimS.  That non-creationists conflate the two different types of science doesn't invalidate the clear distinction that exists.
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::::::I find it hard to accept that a new field of study developed from a theory only ten years old; it would have taken longer than that just to have enough acceptance.  Can you give me more details, such as who started the field of study?
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::::::Most of the rest of your post is based on your last point, that evolution does not always involve new information.  This is the critical issue.  It is true that evolution ''as currently defined by evolutionists'' does include changes that don't increase information.  It is just as true that evolution includes (and this is the popular sense) the descent of all living things from a common ancestor, ''and that this is only possible by the addition of enormous amounts of new genetic information''.  Furthermore, it is true that it is this aspect that creationists disagree with; they have no problem with mutations, speciation, nor changes in gene frequency.  It is the increase in genetic information that is needed for one kind of creature to evolve into another kind, and this is ''not'' what is observed in the examples that you provided.
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::::::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:26, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
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