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:::::Anywho, IMO, the Catholic bureaucracy is kinda like the Deep State of organized Christianity. It's become corrupted with the doctrines of men. They have watered down the Word of God. But I can attest, the Word is still there, cause I heard it and learned it from an early age. I had to go through a period of detox as all bible believing Catholics do, of separating man made church doctrine from the Word of God to understand God's message. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 23:23, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

:::::Anywho, IMO, the Catholic bureaucracy is kinda like the Deep State of organized Christianity. It's become corrupted with the doctrines of men. They have watered down the Word of God. But I can attest, the Word is still there, cause I heard it and learned it from an early age. I had to go through a period of detox as all bible believing Catholics do, of separating man made church doctrine from the Word of God to understand God's message. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 23:23, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

:::::Interesting - my neighbor lady stopped by while I was working on this, and I tried to explain to her what I was doing. I've known her only as a Christian, but she seemed to understand the issue and arguments, so I asked her, "Are you Catholic" and she said yes. Without prompting she said, "You can only be baptized ''after'' you become a believer" and laughed at the notion that it could be otherwise.

:::::Interesting - my neighbor lady stopped by while I was working on this, and I tried to explain to her what I was doing. I've known her only as a Christian, but she seemed to understand the issue and arguments, so I asked her, "Are you Catholic" and she said yes. Without prompting she said, "You can only be baptized ''after'' you become a believer" and laughed at the notion that it could be otherwise.

   

   

:::::I suspect bible believing Catholics are way larger in number than most people suspect - maybe even larger in number than regular Roman Catholic church attendees in the United States.  Simply because someone abandons the Roman church teaching (i.e. ''doctrines of men making the Word of God of no effect'') doesn't automatically make them Protestant or even accepted by Protestants since birth. Secular Jews and Messianic Jews go through a similar identity crisis. Most are like myself, we embrace the label of Christian or bible believing Catholic, and reject the label of being religious or adhering to the doctrines of men. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 15:02, 3 November 2019 (EST)

:::::I suspect bible believing Catholics are way larger in number than most people suspect - maybe even larger in number than regular Roman Catholic church attendees in the United States.  Simply because someone abandons the Roman church teaching (i.e. ''doctrines of men making the Word of God of no effect'') doesn't automatically make them Protestant or even accepted by Protestants since birth. Secular Jews and Messianic Jews go through a similar identity crisis. Most are like myself, we embrace the label of Christian or bible believing Catholic, and reject the label of being religious or adhering to the doctrines of men. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 15:02, 3 November 2019 (EST)

:::::What's happened to the Roman church is nothing new; see 2 Chronicles 34:14-15. The Word of God was lost in the House of the Lord. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 15:12, 3 November 2019 (EST)

:::::What's happened to the Roman church is nothing new; see 2 Chronicles 34:14-15. The Word of God was lost in the House of the Lord. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 15:12, 3 November 2019 (EST)