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::Babies and pagans who have no faith, do not confess faith simply because they do not know and are unable to be saved by faith alone. It is your doctrine that condemns them ipso facto to an eternal torment in the lake of fire which is the second death (Rev. 20:14-15) simply because they have not the ability nor the opportunity. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:30, 6 November 2019 (EST)
::Babies and pagans who have no faith, do not confess faith simply because they do not know and are unable to be saved by faith alone. It is your doctrine that condemns them ipso facto to an eternal torment in the lake of fire which is the second death (Rev. 20:14-15) simply because they have not the ability nor the opportunity. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:30, 6 November 2019 (EST)
::''For the benefit of other readers here'', it is evident that you deliberately [[Misrepresentation|misrepresented]] the two links I provided for direct access to the ''Catechism of the Catholic Church'', which '''affirms''' your statement "'''Baptism is of the spirit, not of the flesh'''" but absolutely '''denies''' that salvation is by '''faith alone''' ([http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1213 '''1213-1284'''] and [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm#1987 '''1987-2029''']). <br> It's pretty simple. Baptism '''saves''' the soul. A child can understand that. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:46, 6 November 2019 (EST)
::''For the benefit of other readers here'', it is evident that you deliberately [[Misrepresentation|misrepresented]] the two links I provided for direct access to the ''Catechism of the Catholic Church'', which '''affirms''' your statement "'''Baptism is of the spirit, not of the flesh'''" but absolutely '''denies''' that salvation is by '''faith alone''' ([http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1213 '''1213-1284'''] and [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm#1987 '''1987-2029''']). <br> It's pretty simple. Baptism '''saves''' the soul. A child can understand that. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:46, 6 November 2019 (EST)
:::Are you helpless sinner? What sets you apart from a helpless baby? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:54, 6 November 2019 (EST)