::::::I did however find this in John chapter 8, again, which you either misquote, misuse, or refuse to address:
::::::I did however find this in John chapter 8, again, which you either misquote, misuse, or refuse to address:
:::::::36 ''If the Son therefore shall make you free, '''ye shall be free indeed.'''
:::::::36 ''If the Son therefore shall make you free, '''ye shall be free indeed.'''
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::::::Don't see any conditions there. And don't see any reference whatsoever to baptism, either. I do see Jesus saying you have to have the faith of Abraham ''to not'' be a child of the devil'', and Abraham was never baptized. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:39, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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::::::Don't see any conditions there. And don't see any reference whatsoever to baptism, either. I do see Jesus saying you have to have the faith of Abraham ''to not'' be a child of the devil, and Abraham was never baptized. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:39, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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::::::Now comes the next typical Roman Catholic response, "Oh, Jesus didn't really mean what he said," it takes the Vicar of Christ on earth to set both God and us straight. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:53, 28 November 2019 (EST)