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Debate: Is there a Purgatory before Judgment Day (view source)
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:If you ever wanted to repeat a mantra as St. Germaine and Dataclarifier are fond of, use that one : ''Learn of me, my yoke is easy and my burden light. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 23:48, 31 July 2020 (EDT)
:If you ever wanted to repeat a mantra as St. Germaine and Dataclarifier are fond of, use that one : ''Learn of me, my yoke is easy and my burden light. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 23:48, 31 July 2020 (EDT)
::The yoke of the Church is the yoke of Christ. I have found it in every detail easy to bear. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 00:29, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br>In the Roman Catholic Church I have found rest unto my soul, and the glorious fullness of the meaning of the whole Bible. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:12, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
::The yoke of the Church is the yoke of Christ. I have found it in every detail easy to bear. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 00:29, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br>In the Roman Catholic Church I have found rest unto my soul, and the glorious fullness of the meaning of the whole Bible. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:12, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
Yet, there are a not discountable group of people who find themselves quite sensitive to the yoke of Christ. You have both sought a doctrine that is sufficient for ''all'' occasions, so please listen to Dante who talks about these.
CANTO X
While I was delighting myself with looking at the images of such great humilities, and for their Maker's sake dear to see: "Behold," murmured the Poet, "on this side many people, but they make few steps; they will put us on the way to the lofty stairs." My eyes which were intent on gazing, were not slow in turning toward him in order to see novelties, whereof they are fain.
I would not, indeed, Reader, that thou be diverted from thy good purpose, through hearing how God wills that the debt be paid. Heed not the form of the suffering; think on what follows; think that, at the worst, beyond the Great Judgment it cannot go!
I began, "Master, that which I see moving toward us does not seem to me to be persons, but what I know not, I am so at loss in looking." And he to me: "The heavy condition of their torment bows them to earth, so that my own eyes at first had contention with it. But look fixedly there, and disentangle with thy sight that which is coming beneath those stones; already thou canst discern how each is stricken."
O proud Christians, wretched and weary, who, diseased in vision of the mind, have confidence in backward steps, are ye not aware that we are worms born to form the angelic butterfly, which flies unto judgment without defence? Wherefore does your mind float up aloft, since ye are as it were defective insects, even as a worm in which formation fails?
As to support ceiling or roof, by way of corbel, a figure is sometimes seen joining its knees to its breast, which out of the unreal gives birth to a real distress in him who sees it, thus fashioned did I see these, when I gave good heed. True it is, that they were more or less upon their backs; and he who had most patience in his looks, weeping, appeared to say: "I can no more."
CANTO XI
"O Thou Almighty Father! who dost make<br>
The heavens Thy dwelling, not in bounds confined,<br>
But that, with love intenser, there Thou view'st<br>
Thy primal effluence; hallow'd be Thy name:<br>
Join, each created being, to extol<br>
Thy might; for worthy humblest thanks and praise<br>
Is Thy blest Spirit. May Thy kingdom's peace<br>
Come unto us; for we, unless it come,<br>
With all our striving, thither tend in vain.<br>
As, of their will, the Angels unto Thee<br>
Tender meet sacrifice, circling Thy throne<br>
With loud hosannas; so of theirs be done<br>
By saintly men on earth. Grant us, this day,<br>
Our daily manna, without which he roams<br>
Through this rough desert retrograde, who most<br>
Toils to advance his steps. As we to each<br>
Pardon the evil done us, pardon Thou<br>
Benign, and of our merit take no count.<br>
'Gainst the old adversary, prove Thou not<br>
Our virtue, easily subdued; but free<br>
From his incitements, and defeat his wiles.<br>
This last petition, dearest Lord! is made<br>
Not for ourselves; since that were needless now;<br>
But for their sakes who after us remain."
Thus for themselves and us good speed imploring,<br>
Those spirits went beneath a weight like that<br>
We sometimes feel in dreams; all, sore beset,<br>
But with unequal anguish; wearied all;<br>
Round the first circuit; purging as they go<br>
The world's gross darkness off. In our behoof<br>
If their vows still be offer'd, what can here<br>
For them be vow'd and done by such, whose wills<br>
Have root of goodness in them? Well beseems<br>
That we should help them wash away the stains<br>
They carried hence; that so, made pure and light,<br>
They may spring upward to the starry spheres.
"Ah! so may mercy-temper'd justice rid<br>
Your burdens speedily; that ye have power<br>
To stretch your wing, which e'en to your desire<br>
Shall lift you; as ye show us on which hand<br>
Toward the ladder leads the shortest way.<br>
And if there be more passages than one,<br>
Instruct us of that easiest to ascend:<br>
For this man, who comes with me, and bears yet<br>
The charge of fleshly raiment Adam left him,<br>
Despite his better will, but slowly mounts."<br>
From whom the answer came unto these words,<br>
Which my guide spake, appear'd not; but 'twas said:<br>
"Along the bank to rightward come with us;<br>
And ye shall find a pass that mocks not toil<br>
Of living man to climb: and were it not<br>
That I am hinder'd by the rock, wherewith<br>
This arrogant neck is tamed, whence needs I stoop<br>
My visage to the ground; him, who yet lives,<br>
Whose name thou speak'st not, him I fain would view;<br>
To mark if e'er I knew him, and to crave<br>
His pity for the fardel that I bear.<br>
I was of Latium; of a Tuscan born,<br>
A mighty one: Aldobrandesco's name<br>
My sire's, I know not if ye e'er have heard.<br>
My old blood and forefathers' gallant deeds<br>
Made me so haughty, that I clean forgot<br>
The common mother; and to such excess<br>
Wax'd in my scorn of all men, that I fell,<br>
Fell therefore; by what fate, Siena's sons.<br>
Each child in Campagnatico, can tell.<br>
I am Omberto: not me, only, pride<br>
Hath injured, but my kindred all involved<br>
In mischief with her. Here my lot ordains<br>
Under this weight to groan, till I appease<br>
God's angry justice, since I did it not<br>
Amongst the living, here amongst the dead."
Listening I bent my visage down: and one<br>
(Not he who spake) twisted beneath the weight<br>
That urged him, saw me, knew me straight, and call'd;<br>
Holding his eyes with difficulty fix'd<br>
Intent upon me, stooping as I went<br>
Companion of their way. "O!" I exclaim'd,<br>
"Art thou not Oderigi? art not thou<br>
Agobbio's glory, glory of that art<br>
Which they of Paris call the limner's skill?"
"Brother!" said he, "with tints, that gayer smile,<br>
Bolognian Franco's pencil lines the leaves.<br>
His all the honour now; my light obscured.<br>
In truth, I had not been thus courteous to him<br>
The whilst I lived, through eagerness of zeal<br>
For that pre-eminence my heart was bent on.<br>
Here, of such pride, the forfeiture is paid.<br>
Nor were I even here, if, able still<br>
To sin, I had not turn'd me unto God.<br>
O powers of man! how vain your glory, nipt<br>
E'en in its height of verdure, if an age<br>
To lord it over painting's field; and now<br>
The cry is Giotto's, and his name eclipsed.<br>
Thus hath one Guido from the other snatch'd<br>
The letter'd prize: and he, perhaps, is born,<br>
Who shall drive either from their nest. The noise<br>
Of worldly fame is but a blast of wind,<br>
That blows from diverse points, and shifts its name,<br>
Shifting the point it blows from. Shalt thou more<br>
Live in the mouths of mankind, if thy flesh<br>
Part shrivel'd from thee, than if thou hadst died<br>
Before the coral and the pap were left;<br>
Or e'er some thousand years have past? and that<br>
Is, to eternity compared, a space<br>
Briefer than is the twinkling of an eye<br>
To the heaven's slowest orb. He there, who treads<br>
So leisurely before me, far and wide<br>
Through Tuscany resounded once; and now<br>
Is in Siena scarce with whispers named:<br>
There was he sovereign, when destruction caught<br>
The maddening rage of Florence, in that day<br>
Proud as she now is loathsome. Your renown<br>
Is as the herb, whose hue doth come and go;<br>
And his might withers it, by whom it sprang<br>
Crude from the lap of earth." I thus to him:<br>
"True are thy sayings: to my heart they breathe<br>
The kindly spirit of meekness, and allay<br>
What tumours rankle there. But who is he,<br>
Of whom thou spakest but now?" "This," he replied,<br>
"Is Provenzano. He is here, because<br>
He reach'd with grasp presumptuous, at the sway<br>
Of all Siena. Thus he still hath gone,<br>
Thus goeth never-resting, since he died.<br>
Such is the acquittance render'd back of him,<br>
Who, in the mortal life, too much hath dared."<br>
I then: "If soul, that to life's verge delays<br>
Repentance, linger in that lower space,<br>
Nor hither mount, (unless good prayers befriend),<br>
Or ever time, long as it lived, be past;<br>
How chanced admittance was vouchsafed to him?"
"When at his glory's topmost height," said he,<br>
"Respect of dignity all cast aside,<br>
Freely he fix'd him on Siena's plain,<br>
A suitor to redeem his suffering friend,<br>
Who languish'd in the prison-house of Charles;<br>
Nor, for his sake, refused through every vein<br>
To tremble. More I will not say; and dark,<br>
I know, my words are; but thy neighbours soon<br>
Shall help thee to a comment on the text.<br>
This is the work, that from these limits freed him."
CANTO XII
WITH equal pace, as oxen in the yoke,<br>
I, with that laden spirit, journey'd on,<br>
Long as the mild instructor suffer'd me;<br>
But, when he bade me quit him, and proceed,<br>
(For "Here," said he, "behoves with sail and oars<br>
Each man, as best he may, push on his bark,")<br>
Upright, as one disposed for speed, I raised<br>
My body, still in thought submissive bow'd.
Now who among the smug will be first to speak?
Purgatory or not, be careful lest you find these yoked souls receiving their salvation ahead of you!
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 03:08, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
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