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==Steve Turley==

[https://youtu.be/h3PXFA1xaCk Turley was on with Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris] today. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 21:46, September 8, 2022 (EDT)

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~~== Ukraine advances on the <s>southern</s> <s>eastern</s> north Donbas front ==~~

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I was sure that Biden would keep the Ukraine war going until the midterms at least. But it seems that the Ukrainians have other plans. Here is ''WSJ'': "[https://books.google.co.th/books?id=n4BmAAAAcAAJ&pg= In Major Advance, Ukraine Drives Russians Out of Key Eastern City]." The city in question is Izyum. Putin, its time to start looking for a hideout where you can avoid extradition. The Chechens know all your tricks and they are coming for you. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:32, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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:The situation is extremely serious right now. Waiting for confirmation that NATO troops are involved wearing Ukie colors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 10:06, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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:You're speaking of Chechen [[jihad]]is presumably; the Republic of Chechnya is forming new battalions. [https://youtu.be/_HNQdVQyFtM][https://youtu.be/kE_qYPqjv2s] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 13:28, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::There are no NATO troops that are involved who are wearing Ukie colors. The Russian soldiers are not that good and often there morale is not high. And the West has better military technology. And the Ukrainians are defending their homeland which gives them the morale advantage. But Russia does have more quantity in terms of artillery and manpower in terms of their entire army (both inside and outside Ukraine). And Russia has fired more artillery shells than the Ukrainians in this so-called special operation which has lasted 6 months. Also, Russia is a nuclear power. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:34, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::Why wouldn't there be NATO troops in Ukie colors? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 12:05, September 10, 2022 (EDT)~~

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~~::::[https://youtu.be/zLsw2nDATg4 Americans in Izium]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 13:42, September 12, 2022 (EDT)~~

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~~:::Do you think NATO is run by honorable people who play by the rules? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 12:07, September 10, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:::And then there are groups like Blackwater or the Wagner Orchestra. But we have had reports for some time that American commanders are operating the HIMARS. And there is no question of CIA, MI6, and Polish mercenaries are operating in Ukraine. There is well over 3,000 of those. Lithuanians exist in smaller numbers. And then you have assorted red neck American neo-Nazis. Possibly as many as another 3,000 of them. But the people driving the tanks are trained professionals. Ukraine does not have many of them left. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]]

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You wrote: "Why wouldn't there be NATO troops in Ukie colors?". Because conspiracies are had to keep secret. And because the Ukrainians are willing to spill their blood for what they consider their homeland. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:12, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:Ukraine's best forces are long dead, and you do not know what a Ukrainian is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:41, September 10, 2022 (EDT)~~

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::There's at least 4,000 foreign troops fighting on the Izium front right now, and Ukraine is multicultural; Hungarians, Gypsies, Bulgars, Taters, Moldovans, etc. are not Ukrainian, and this is not their fight. Ukrainians live in the west; Donbas is Russian, and they are fighting for their homeland. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:45, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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::There are mass arrests right now occurring in towns the Russians vacated; there probably be a repeat of the Bucca massacre in some places by the [[SBU]] (orders have already been publicly posted). Hordes of refugees are fleeing east. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:50, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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::The Rada passed a law in June that anyone accepting food or medical services from Russians is a collaborator (basically, Stalin did the same thing to anyone who was behind German lines and under German occupation who was not an active member of a partisan resistance group; even at that, some partisans got caught up in mass arrests) and can be executed under martial law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:57, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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::Many [[Banderite]]s fled west to Poland and Germany; active resistance against Stalin and the Red Army continued til 1954 (with CIA assistance). But Stalin considered anyone not part of the partisan resistance to be a Banderite. Banderites that were captured and not executed on the spot were shipped off to Siberia. Hence, the Maidan regime is Bandera's revenge against the Russian people (i.e. the Russian people, not communism. That's why it's so confusing, cause the Russian people were as much victims of communism as the Ukrainians. Only Ukrainians have turned their political animosity toward oppression into ethnic hatred. Just as with the German's in East Germany, the Russians refused to become like the Nazis and harbor ethnic hatred toward the Germans or Ukrainians who fought against them. They focused on purging the Nazi ideology, as they are doing now again.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 18:06, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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:::Let's carry this analytical discussion one step further: like the German people who consider themselves victims of Nazism, Russians likewise consider themselves victims of communism. Only in the case of Russians, communism never ruled by the consent of the governed, whereas the Nazis were democratically elected. So this is the test of [[Russophobia]]; anyone who thinks of Russians stereotypically as communists, but not Germans as Nazis, is a xenophobic bigot. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 19:02, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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::::My prediction: Putin will be very persistant as far as this war. Eventually, this conflict will turn into a on again/off again/on again/off again, etc. etc. conflict with it being somewhat of a frozen conflict. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:32, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::Your prediction is very naive; what if the events in Donbas is Putin's undoing, he resigns and gets replaced by somebody less concerned about the lives of civilians and willing to get the job done? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 20:19, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::You're gonna need a bigger space laser, man. Maybe you can write in a few golems sweeping back the Nazi / NATO hordes. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:32, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::::This is NATO's last stand; they've thrown everything they have into the fight. Remember what Putin said, 'we haven't even started yet.' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 01:53, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::Yeah, man. Leaving divisions' worth of materiel behind and running for the border was part of the plan all along. It's such a cunning plan, in fact, that your boys will shortly be repeating it elsewhere in theater just to really wrong-foot the Ukrainians and NATO. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:57, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::::::They've been redeployed to the Zaporozhye line opposite Ugledar, [https://tass.com/world/1503031] where the main thrust of the Zelensky Offensive will occur in an effort to drive toward Mariupol and encircle the city of Donetsk. It's not unlike the withdrawal from Snake Island, only on a larger scale. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 18:17, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::It was a rout, man. A complete collapse of the defensive line around Izyum. Redeploying troops take their kit with them. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:32, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::::I saw all those videos of allegedly captured Russian tanks. How come none had a Z on them? Memo to self: Next time you wish to create a fake news propaganda video, take along a $1.59 can of white spray paint. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 14:05, September 14, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::::::::::Gestapo round ups of civilians are now happening. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 18:42, September 11, 2022 (EDT)~~

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~~::::::::::::Sad trombone for the collaborators. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:58, September 11, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:::::::::::::Ukrainians and NATO mercenaries have suffered around 36,000 casualties over the past 11 days, including about 10,000 killed in action. Russian losses have been extremely minimal. Ukrainian and NATO forces (as has been demonstrated over and over again) have absolutely no regard for human life. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 19:02, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::::Russia faces a political problem now; they were welcomed as liberators in the northern Donbas and Kharkov regions; they assured the people they were here to stay. Now the southern Kherson & Zaporozhye referendums have been delayed. The people of Russia, especially the 2 million Ukrainian refugees there, are calling for escalation and total mobilization. The offensive is simply another NATO provocation. Will the Duma take the NATO bait? Let's hope not, at least not yet. Meanwhile, a tactical nuclear strike against NATO forces can't be ruled out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 19:18, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::::::The Russians have successfully drawn Ukrainian forces out of the trenches and out from hiding among civilian populations. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 06:53, September 12, 2022 (EDT)

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The Russians, whether it is Putin or his successors, are going to be very persistent. The prediction I made in my previous post is based on this essay: [https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/a-look-at-russian-civilization-power-truth-trust-and-war A LOOK AT RUSSIAN CIVILIZATION: POWER, TRUTH, TRUST, AND WAR]. It is also based on John Mearsheimer's commentary on the conflict and the Ukrainian's behavior. Although I don't agree with all of this video, I think this video made some good points: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnxC3qbRHB8 Russia's military power: What the Ukraine war has taught us]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:43, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:The Sky News report is b.s.; it begins, 'Remember the war began as Putin trying to conquer the whole of Ukraine'. Pure crap.~~

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:It is a good signal to you, however, when a propagandist wears their badge on their sleeve. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 01:58, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::I said I don't agree with all of the video. Just part of it. I agree with John Mearsheimer on why the war happened. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:02, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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:::That's the beauty of propaganda - it's made up of half truths - leaving you to pick and choose which parts you want to accept or believe. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 02:07, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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~~:::Read your other link on Truth and Trust and Russia. It's like many others. Speaking of 'Whataboutism', I love this part:~~

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::::'' The point is that in the West, lying is stigmatized. They are ashamed of it, they hide it, deny it, get confronted by journalists, evade, and occasionally apologize. Getting caught in a lie more often marks the end of a political career, rather than the beginning.''

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:::Wow. Where was the author for the past 30 years since Clintonism (who negotiated the Budapest memorandum). Didn't both Biden and Stoltenberg just admit they lied to Zelensky to bait him into war with Russia? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 04:09, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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::::Especially this part: ''"get confronted by journalists"''. Really? Journalists are the guardians of truth? Seems to me they are the biggest manufacturer of lies in recent years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 04:12, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::A few questions here."Donbas is Russian" How? Because the majority of people are ethnic Russian? Is San Diego Mexican? It does not work that way. The only people who think Donbas is Russian is Russia, a handful of it's puppet states and a few million people who are bitter that Ukraine did not break international law and bow to Trumps demands. Donbas is Ukrainian. Slava Ukraini.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 09:10, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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~~::::::Please refrain from using [[fascist]] salutations here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 12:05, September 11, 2022 (EDT)~~

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::::::When the people of San Diego hold a referendum to secede from California and the United States, declare independence, hold 1 million Mexican passports, sign cooperative security agreements with Mexico and ask the parliament of Mexico for admission to the Union, Nancy Pelosi visits and the MIC provides them with $1 billion in weapons, we'll discuss your question. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 12:22, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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Ukraine is a [[cleft country]]. Historically, they are more likely to be hotspots in terms of conflict. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:41, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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*[https://youtu.be/XKouYYlYOKI Wounded NATO troops arrive back in Europe]. NATO/Ukraine has at lost 12,000 KIA this month so far, with 3x that wounded; odd, Russians casualties remain minimal. The kill ratio has been over 10:1 since February. I don't think Russians have suffered anywhere near that during the "counteroffensive", and I've kept my own estimates since February, which have held up and been borne out by later reporting. I doubt 400 Russians have been killed this month, maybe the casualty rate is that high, with about 25% KIA, but we need more info before saying anything definitive. While Western MSM has always been boastful and prone to massive exaggeration, Western MSM has been strangely silent on Russian dead in the counteroffensive. Probably cause they have the whole Russian force killed off already, according to the CIA. There's barely 60,000 Russian combat troops in Ukraine right now, which is why 200,000 NATO and Ukrainian forces have been able to seize vacated territory held by the Russians, albeit at a disproportionate huge cost (in line with the Russian overall objective of "demilitarization".)[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 03:42, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

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:Bottomline, there just is no comparison between how the United States and NATO fight a war, and how Russia does. And to make comparisons at the strategic level is foolish. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 03:45, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

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~~===Putin asked to resign===~~

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[[File:Full-spectrum-cyber-effects-final-p4-large.gif|right|300px|thumb|US Government document from 2010 part of the Snowden leaks and sharing agreements with the [[UK]]. The [[Five Eyes]] program of the English speaking world (United States, United Kingdom, [[Canada]], [[Australia]], and [[New Zealand]]) use [[social media]] for “[[propaganda]],” “[[deception]],” “mass messaging,” “pushing stories”, and "discrediting” the intelligence agencies' enemies with false information spread online.[https://theintercept.com/document/2014/04/04/full-spectrum-cyber-effects/] ]]

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[https://orda.kz/putina-vnov-poprosili-slozhit-polnomochiya/ His 83% approval rating probably will take a hit]. Word is, he's not nuking the NATO troops in Ukraine because of the reaction it may cause in Africa and the global south since Russia has worked hard to get them on their side rather than the colonial powers of the West. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 12:52, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

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Poll: 65% want Russia to get tougher in Ukraine. [https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/09/14/bolee-65-vystupayut-za-bolee-zhestkie-deystviya-v-svo-na-ukraine-opros-eadaily] Unlike America and Europe, Russians have full access to Western propaganda media and fake news. So if those drunken idiot subhuman Russians can see through Western propaganda and b.s., what, pray tell, is wrong with Americans and Europeans? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 01:56, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:[https://archive.ph/1ICcG#selection-827.1-827.76 How Putin’s digital Iron Curtain is struggling to suppress dissent over war] and [https://www.upi.com/Voices/2022/07/01/Russia-internet-censorship-digital-iron-curtain/2511656675489/ 'Digital iron curtain': Russia's grip on online access threatens global Internet] and [https://www.wired.com/story/russia-internet-censorship-splinternet/ Russia Is Quietly Ramping Up Its Internet Censorship Machine] and [https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3531396-building-trust-in-the-tool-millions-are-using-to-pierce-putins-digital-iron-curtain/ Building trust in the tool millions are using to pierce Putin’s digital iron curtain] and [https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/behind-russias-digital-iron-curtain-tech-workarounds-thrive-2022-03-23/ Behind Russia's 'digital iron curtain', tech workarounds thrive]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:46, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::Wow. All controlled media propaganda sources. Good work. You never read the Snowden leaks or Vault 7. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:13, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::It's because [[Julian Assange]] released Vault 7, documenting the [[intelligence community]] and [[Silicon Valley]]'s unholy alliance to control media and propaganda narratives, that he's being extradited to the U.S. for a crime he never committed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:15, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:::[[United Press International]] (UPI) is a conservative alternative to the Associated Press. But if you want to stay in your pro-Putin bubble, it's your choice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:24, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::::(ec) Suppression of the Laptop from Hell (among numerous other recent events) by the US intelligence community ought to be evidence enough that most of what Snowden alleged is factual. The intelligence community interfered in American democracy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:42, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:::::Not only did the U.S. intelligence community directly interfere in the 2016 and 2020 elections (the prime source of the [[Steele dossier]] was a paid FBI informant, as reported the other day), the U.S. intelligence community did EXACTLY what the U.S. intelligence community (and its controlled media) accused Vladimir Putin and Russia of doing in both elections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:55, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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::::::And it should be patently obvious the U.S. intelligence community is interfering in the 2022 Midterms with the [[Mar-a-Lago raid]] and subpoenas on Trump supporters. How many more years do you wish to waste with your head in the sand? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:58, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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~~::::UPI only repeats other mainstream sources, has extremely limited circulation, and cannot (or should not) be classified or called "conservative".~~

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~~''The Telegraph'' is also conservative/right leaning. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:35, September 15, 2022 (EDT)~~

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:Really? What's the difference between UK "conservatives" and American "conservatives"? [[Benedict Arnold]] was a [[Tory]], i.e. conservative, loyal to the British crown. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:39, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:From 1776, British conservatives tried three times to destroy the American Union; (a) the Revolutionary war; (b) War of 1812; (c) a proxy war through the Confederacy. It was a Democrat [[segregation]]ist, [[Woodrow Wilson]], who made America's No.1 enemy an ally in 1917.

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~~:Your understanding of liberal v. conservative is deeply flawed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:48, September 15, 2022 (EDT)~~

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~~::::These are not contests between "liberal" and "conservative" news organizations, as you imagine.~~

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::::First, you need an understanding of the news publishing and news reporting business, which (given your MPR postings), is lacking. Second, once you grasp the rudiments of modern journalism and reporting, you need to divide it between domestic reporting and foreign reporting. And given your penchant to see everything as "liberal' vs "conservative", this may be a difficult task. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:32, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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The notion that "Saint Putin", the ex-KGB agent who built Putin's Palace, is for a free press, is a rather implausible notion. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:37, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:If there ever was a propagandistic term, "Putin's Palace" would be it. I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to use it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 16:52, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:Basically, [[propaganda]] appeals to emotion, and not reason. Not only do we see the emotional effect propaganda has on yourself, you nakedly use emotional arguments, and not reason. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:17, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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~~===Magdalena Andersson===~~

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So what is your argument here? Magdalena Andersson resignation was over Islamic immigration, crime, gay rights, and inflation, and had nothing to do with Magdalena Andersson abandoning 70 years of neutrality and taking the anti-democratic step joining [[NATO]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:49, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:Seems to me, the conservative voters of Sweden sided with Vladimir Putin against Swedish "liberals". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 17:52, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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That's your "conservative victory" in Sweden, Sweden wants to preserve its neutrality, influenced by Russia against European globalists since 1945. They've had enough of European globalist encroachment on their society and culture, and agree with Vladimir Putin's arguments for not joining NATO. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 18:03, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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:And why was Sweden flooded with Muslim refugees and crime? because of the NATO wars in Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. So this "conservative victory" is directly attributable to anti-NATO sentiment, as best articulated by the world leader of the conservative, anti-globalist movement, Vladimir Putin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Ich bin ein breakfast taco]] 18:11, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

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