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:The globalists worst nightmare: Blacks getting onboard with the anti-trans movement. [https://twitter.com/ForgiatoBlow47/status/1661861660351516674] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:37, May 29, 2023 (EDT)

::Bible-believing, family values–adhering blacks [https://www.npr.org/2015/07/02/419554758/african-americans-question-comparing-gay-rights-movement-to-civil-rights loathe] [https://atlantablackstar.com/2015/07/04/black-civil-right-and-lgbt-rights-why-they-are-not-the-same-thing/ the equivocation] [https://web.archive.org/web/20201126152945/https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-55-blacks-say-gay-rights-not-same-civil-rights between civil rights and "gay rights."] —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Monday, 15:52, May 29, 2023 (EDT)

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== Censorship is a liberal trait ==

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Remember last year when you directly attacked several other editors such as Geopolitician as "Nazi sympathizers" or something along those lines? And of course, you never censored your own comments. It's pointlessly unnecessary for you to censor my username from the headline nor the contents of my critique of Conservative. For one, it reeks of a double standard, and secondly, it's a liberal tactic. Placing [[Template:Warning collapse]] is one thing, but removing it entirely is another. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Tuesday, 17:11, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

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:That is CP policy. In the interests of civility, please do not post user names in subheadings. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:41, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::Did you unilaterally put it there one day just to immediately invoke it? —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 20:42, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::Putting user names into subheadings is a form of harassment, basically, inviting anybody and everybody (including sock trolls) to beat up on a user. We strive for civility. If you have a personal dispute with someone, we have appropriate forums to deal with that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:08, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::::I can personally care less about Conservative putting my user name in a subheading. And it's not like we even get the same extent of RW trolling anymore to boost our web traffic like in the good ol' days when Karajou was around. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 21:38, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::Well, we can't have people holding up editors to public ridicule and scourging. Each editor is only one person, and it's a simple matter of fairness against an army of trolls, each with their own gripes. CP is not a mobocracy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:45, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::Wow, you don't believe in allowing for accountability to take place? Jesus said in John 3:19–20:

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{{cquote|And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.|||KJV}}

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::::::—[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 23:20, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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By putting in LT's username in a subheading, I was not trying to harass him. I was merely pointing out what I was referring to. Second, I realize that LT was miffed that I did not want to do a second round of debates with him concerning some theological topics. I do want to point out that my interest in those theological topics was mild to begin with. And to further debate him on those topics and do it well would have required me to do some additional research which is something I don't want to do given my outside commitments, interests and priorities in life. I am endeavoring to use my various God-given talents in a way that will help the most people. And I don't believe that doing the extra research to debate LT on those theological topics is something I should do as it would not benefit the most people. Lastly, I did give LT a number of links to theological discussion forums so he should not have been angry at me for not wanting to do a second round of debate on those theological topics nor should he have acted in a nasty manner towards me. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:52, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:Bottom line: Experience with LT has taught me that interacting with LT involves getting some nasty harassment towards me if he doesn't his way. Frankly, it's not worth it. So I am limiting my interaction with him for a spell, but not forever as I do believe in forgiveness and that people can change. But at this juncture, I don't expect an apology from LT. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:02, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::Your machismo-lacking victimology manifesto- er, I mean, cascade of deflections almost sounds quite convincing if it were a balanced portrayal of events. How many times have you begged for a voice call only to incessantly hound my time boasting of your endless personal stories? —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 23:17, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::The simple truth is, there are many many well meaning Christians who are simply naive. I know, I was, and sometimes still, am one of them. That's what happened in 1844. A bunch true believers got hoaxed. But in their [[pride]], rather than admit their error, they doubled down as if they had some secret esoteric insight into scripture. Then it becomes generational. The simple solution is '' if any one lacks wisdom, ask God and he will give it abundantly''. You take that to the bank. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:34, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::::The date was right, though the nature of the event was widely misunderstood. It's similar to the confusion surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus, the timing of which the disciples understood yet its purpose and fulfillment not until afterwards. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 23:37, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::I know I know. God must be retarded, huh? since he has such a hard time making himself clear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:42, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::Let's take yourself, for example: you often quote Jesus saying light has come into the world, but you ignore Jesus saying anyone who does not come to the light ''is condemned already'' and get mixed up in fruitless arguments about judgement, and WHEN it happens, whereas Jesus clearly said the judgment has already happened. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:47, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::Ah, you're really missing the point. See, what if that person subsequently accepts the light, repents, and is saved? What Jesus is saying that, should they face judgment at that moment as they reject the light, they would be condemned. You need to think critically as God gave you a brain for and not approach contexts in the most lazy possible option. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 23:52, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::::God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise, which I find encouraging cause I certainly fit into the category of the foolsih things of this world. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:10, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::[EC] It's not God who's "retarded," but His creation. God makes the truth and the light readily available to those who faithfully and diligently seek after it, yet most people can't think properly and, especially nowadays, are quick to misinterpret, judge, malign, and castigate without giving a second thought on whether ''they'' may be in the wrong. What a wicked era we live in! How much more our "civilization" deserves the devouring flames than Sodom and Gomorrah, consumed with vengeance of eternal fire! (Jude 7)

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::::::I recommend going back and reading the [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2013&version=KJV parable of the sower in Matthew 13]. Also, perhaps it would interest you to know that I don't adhere officially to the Adventists anymore—the church is in a Laodicean state. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 23:50, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::Oh really? So what have you learned about yourself in this experience? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:56, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::Do you have buyer's remorse? That's what repentance is, having a change of heart and change of mind about buying into Satan's lies, which are intended to keep you from true repentance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:59, May 31, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::::[EC] [EC] I've learned that God uses others to His glory for purposes I lack the capability to realize ahead of time because the limitations that sin has constrained upon my mind. Clearly, the Lord used the SDAs to guide me towards the right doctrinal understandings. However, I cannot accept baptism into the denomination because their final vow—number 13—declares itself the remnant church of Revelation. For the Adventist Church's hierarchy to dictate, as a requirement, accepting them as the exalted and glorious remnant, in order to join as an official member, reeks of arrogance. Also, I'm partially disgusted with their Judaic hypocrisy: they simultaneously portray themselves as the most Jewish Christian movement because of their adherence to Old Testament principles, yet believe in "replacement theology" that comes with various covert anti-Jewish tropes. Whatever happened to Romans 1:16?

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::::::::Please don't eagerly misinterpret my points. I still believe in the overwhelming evidence that Ellen G. White was a true prophet; I simply don't believe that the Adventist Church in its current state meets proper apostolic standards to deem itself the remnant church. If there's a common theme in the Bible repeated throughout, it's that things created good and holy turn bad on its own accords. The Adventist movement may have started out with the fire of the Spirit, but has now dimmed to a lukewarm state.

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::::::::Wow, two edit conflicts; you keep cutting me off as I'm replying to your earnest question! —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 00:03, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::::Final vow? A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:13, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::::::Huh, I was honestly anticipating a more extensive response on this specific subject. Ah well. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 00:23, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::::::In case you're typing a long response as I add on real quick, sorry for the edit conflict; in summary, since you asked what I learned from my experience with the SDAs, hopefully my longer reply above gives you a good idea of my personal experience. I don't see the typical congregants as bad (most are very Spirit-filled, gracious, and friendly), rather the hierarchy as insufficiently apostolic to great magnitudes and way too worldly in general outlook. What broke ''this'' camel's back was the guy I talked to in weekly meetings telling me to flip to a chapter of Ellen White's writings to discuss my "practical Christianity," because wow, apparently I'm not to go about eagerly preaching the gospel to an unsaved individual "yet" lest I <gasp!> accidentally offend them. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 00:45, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::::::You, like all people, myself included, are vulnerable to being deceived. If I had to put my finger on a point in time when I repented, I couldn't. It was a long process over years where one day I woke up and saw the radical change in me from the POS I was. And that realization happened while I was thanking God for answering prayer, cause he really will give scriptural wisdom to understand the scriptures if you will ask. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:56, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::::::::Yep, I know, and understand what you mean. At times when I realize just how terribly sinful I am in spite of how much outward integrity I try to maintain in day-to-day life, the need for spiritual redemption hits me hard. And in terms of Scriptural wisdom, I'm glad to say that the Lord has guided me to amazing realizations I never would've understood and arrived at entirely on my own accord. If you're interested, I can share one interesting discovery I "unearthed" (at least I don't think anyone else has noted this connection yet) regarding Exodus and Revelation in the past month or so in new subsection. Well, ultimately it's God who showed me the truth and deserves the credit, not me. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 01:01, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::::::::Here's the thing about repentance: all God needs from you is consent (a change of heart and change on mind toward God) - God does the rest. You don't have to do the so-called "work of repentance" - God does that in you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:06, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::::::::::I see your point and partially concur: it's God who indeed changes us from within and not by our own self-effort. However, it's not as if we simply sit back and relax; it's more like we're drowning in a sea, and God throws the lifevest of salvation. He will never let go His end of the rope, but we must choose to hold on to our end. The guarantee is that if we hold on to our side of the rope all the way to the bitter end, we will be rescued from damnation. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 01:09, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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"LT, "boasting of your endless personal stories"? What happens is that you do a personal attack on me. And then I point out that I have caused websites to receive a whole lot of traffic in order to provide a more realistic portrayal of things. Anyways, I am upgrading various skills which is an acknowledgement that there is room for improvement relative to my various internet activities. I do endeavor to hear criticism objectively even from my most caustic/immature critics. At the same time, it makes sense to sometimes distance oneself from various people if they are caustic, drama queens, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:07, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:In at least a few voice calls, you gave the pretense of seeking to address RationalWiki-related concerns and proceeded to boast of your glorious SEO accomplishments in nonstop rambles about random clients, openings, and websites. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 00:23, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::At this point in my life, I realize that except for the purpose of marketing one's services/goods, it is best not to care too much about what other people think of you. As the Scripture says, "Men of low degree are only vanity and men of rank are a lie; In the balances they go up; They are together lighter than breath." (Psalms 62:9) and "Do not take to heart all the things that people say, lest you hear your servant cursing you." (Ecclesiastes 7:21). In addition, it is often best if certain people - especially your adversaries - underestimate you. "...when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." - [[Sun Tzu]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:57, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:::That's a double-edged sword; if you go too far, you grow cold and unreceptive to the quiet bitter cries of the oppressed around you, walking past capable of seeing their misery and having no intrinsic sense of empathy, as is the characteristic of our era's wicked generation. Woe unto them, damned to the flames of everlasting fire! The love of many really ''is'' waxing cold. (Matthew 24:12) —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 01:05, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::In wealthy Western countries, most people's worst oppressors are themselves. Primarily, their lack of self-discipline, focus or hard work. For example, "It's estimated that a little over 42% of American adults have obesity, while about 30.7% are overweight. Overall, more than two-thirds of U.S. adults in the United States are overweight or have obesity. Adults between ages of 40 and 59 are more likely to have obesity."[https://www.healthline.com/health/obesity-facts#:~:text=It's%20estimated%20that%20a%20little,more%20likely%20to%20have%20obesity.] Secular Europe and godless China have a big obesity problem too.

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::::For example, [[Sun Tzu]]'s strategies and tactics utilize the "Eastern tradition of strategy that emphasizes outwitting an opponent through speed, stealth, flexibility, and a minimum of effort." It's hard to be speedy, stealthy or very flexible when you are obese! And it's hard to climb up the stairs of success with a minimum of effort, if you are a winded, obese man! There is a [[Consumption of processed foods and health risks|price to eating a lot of processed food]] and often the price is being overweight. It might not show up right away, but the time you are 40+ years old, it often arrives. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:53, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::[EC] That may generally hold true, though everyone's experience is different: some half-manage to hide signs of their everyday tribulation, wondering if there's a friend out there wiling to lend a helping hand as a Good Samaritan. By closing your heart, you shut out people who God may have wanted you to help.

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:::::Also, you're really not that sneaky; I know exactly why you suddenly just had to bring up obesity. It's so you can start rambling about processed food, just as you did with your essay about RW's Spud making a [[Mount Everest]] out of a microscopic molehill. Hence, it's just a subtle polemic against RW, demonstrating that, for the zillionth time, you haven't moved on from them (yet) despite what you claim. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 01:59, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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::::::You are mistaken. My best friend had tiger parents (who are very nice and loving people) who set high expectations for him and now he is very successful. Most parents in the West are too permissive. As a result, most people's worst enemy is themself because they never developed self-discipline. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:04, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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:::::::Mistaken? Hmm, perhaps I do stand corrected, and ultimately it's God who knows every individual at their heart. Your sudden shift to obesity and processed food just... seemed oddly suspicious as it relates to your recent diatribes against RW. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|(Matthew 26:52)]]''''' Thursday, 02:06, June 1, 2023 (EDT)

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