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To understand the non-democratic [[feudal]] society that existed in Europe between 1815-1914, you actually need [[Machiavelli]] (from 3 centuries earlier). Read the first sentence of the ''The Prince''; in the 19th century, Europe had a growing population, it was more urbanized, less agricultural workers, more tradesman and craftsmen, yet their governments remained principalities ruled by noble bloodlines with bureaucracies that couldn't really handle a growing population. People had no rights, like freedom of the press, jury trial, etc. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]} 01:48, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

To understand the non-democratic [[feudal]] society that existed in Europe between 1815-1914, you actually need [[Machiavelli]] (from 3 centuries earlier). Read the first sentence of the ''The Prince''; in the 19th century, Europe had a growing population, it was more urbanized, less agricultural workers, more tradesman and craftsmen, yet their governments remained principalities ruled by noble bloodlines with bureaucracies that couldn't really handle a growing population. People had no rights, like freedom of the press, jury trial, etc. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]} 01:48, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

:Oh, Machiavelli ties into this as well? Wow. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 01:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

:Oh, Machiavelli ties into this as well? Wow. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{Rev. 22:13}]]''''' Tuesday, 01:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

::Machiavelli says all governments that have ever existed are either republics or principalities (an inherited fiefdom). In the ''The Prince'', he quickly disposes talking about republicans (he himself was a republican like Mazzini) and gives the Prince, the guy who owned all the land where he was living, some advice how to be a successful Prince. He didn't want to move away from his home or get arrested for treason. so he sent the prince a resume of sorts to get job as an advisor. That's what the book is.

::Machiavelli says all governments that have ever existed are either republics or principalities (an inherited fiefdom). In the ''The Prince'', he quickly disposes talking about republics (he himself was a republican like Mazzini) and gives the governing Prince, the guy who owned all the land where he was born and living, some advice how to be a successful Prince. He didn't want to move away from his home or get arrested for treason. so he sent the prince a resume of sorts to get job as an advisor. That's what the book is.

This gets to be a tricky question for some conservatives; as a population grows, you actually need a government to grow, as well. More police. More schools, More judges. More jails, etc. It's to discuss this outside of a historical perspective with your commonplace, run-of-the-mill Republican who's just opposes all government growth and expansion. But actually, these are two very different questions.

This gets to be a tricky question for some conservatives; as a population grows, you actually need a government to grow, as well. More police. More schools, More judges. More jails, etc. It's to discuss this outside of a historical perspective with your commonplace, run-of-the-mill Republican who's just opposes all government growth and expansion. But actually, these are two very different questions.