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This isn't to say all Western ideas and understanding about how [[war]] should be conducted are being abandoned at once. But time will be given for Westerners to quit dreaming and come around to [[reality]]. Beginning with the [[criminal]] class that their societies produce, supported by the [[taxpayer]], either in [[prison]] or out. In most non-Western societies, criminals are offered the opportunity to redeem themselves (while being fed & clothed) in the [[military]]. In the "civilized" [[United States]], [[Keynesianism]] feeds everybody - the [[MIC]], [[illegal immigrants]], [[criminal]]s, [[taxpayers]], [[consumers]], the elderly, [[SNAP]] beneficiaries, student loan borrowers, [[ACA]] recipients, subprime borrowers, etc. etc. etc. In eastern cultures, persons convicted under their [[law]]s and [[due process]] - murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves, drunks, drug addicts, etc. etc. etc. - have no right to impose the cost of their maintenance on free people. We'll have to save the debate about forced labor being [[slavery]] for another time. Bottomline: [[War]] can be a way for the dregs of humanity to redeem themselves. Only [[the West]] will consider it a step backward from "[[progressivism]]".  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 02:41, December 26, 2025 (EST)
 
This isn't to say all Western ideas and understanding about how [[war]] should be conducted are being abandoned at once. But time will be given for Westerners to quit dreaming and come around to [[reality]]. Beginning with the [[criminal]] class that their societies produce, supported by the [[taxpayer]], either in [[prison]] or out. In most non-Western societies, criminals are offered the opportunity to redeem themselves (while being fed & clothed) in the [[military]]. In the "civilized" [[United States]], [[Keynesianism]] feeds everybody - the [[MIC]], [[illegal immigrants]], [[criminal]]s, [[taxpayers]], [[consumers]], the elderly, [[SNAP]] beneficiaries, student loan borrowers, [[ACA]] recipients, subprime borrowers, etc. etc. etc. In eastern cultures, persons convicted under their [[law]]s and [[due process]] - murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves, drunks, drug addicts, etc. etc. etc. - have no right to impose the cost of their maintenance on free people. We'll have to save the debate about forced labor being [[slavery]] for another time. Bottomline: [[War]] can be a way for the dregs of humanity to redeem themselves. Only [[the West]] will consider it a step backward from "[[progressivism]]".  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 02:41, December 26, 2025 (EST)
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This isn't such a farfetched idea from American culture. Read the case of [[John Walker]], the 17-year-old [[juvenile delinquent]] who was given the choice of going into a boy's home or the [[US Navy]]. He chose the Navy, where he eventually was entrusted with the codes for [[nuclear]] submarines that he in turn sold to the [[Soviet Union]]. The difference is, the Russian, Chinese, North Koreans and other Eastern cultures aren't as [[stupid]] as [[American]]s when bringing the [[criminal]] class into the [[military]]. (''[[WP]]'': "Presently, all branches of the U.S. military forbid the acceptance of convicts, both after sentencing and as an alternative to imprisonment (except the U.S. Navy, which does not have specific prohibitions but still strongly discourages it as a protocol). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_military_unit#cite_ref-:2_20-1] The article is sorely lacking in many areas). Eastern societies have a much longer [[history]], experience, and tradition in dealing with these problems. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 02:54, December 26, 2025 (EST)
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This isn't such a farfetched idea from American culture. Read the case of [[John Walker]], the 17-year-old [[juvenile delinquent]] who was given the choice of going into a boy's home or the [[US Navy]]. He chose the Navy, where he eventually was entrusted with the codes for [[nuclear]] submarines that he in turn sold to the [[Soviet Union]]. The difference is, the Russian, Chinese, North Koreans and other Eastern cultures aren't as [[stupid]] as [[American]]s when bringing the [[criminal]] class into the [[military]]. (''[[WP]]: "Presently, all branches of the U.S. military forbid the acceptance of convicts, both after sentencing and as an alternative to imprisonment (except the U.S. Navy, which does not have specific prohibitions but still strongly discourages it as a protocol).'' [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_military_unit#cite_ref-:2_20-1] The article is sorely lacking in many areas). Eastern societies have a much longer [[history]], experience, and tradition in dealing with these problems. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 02:54, December 26, 2025 (EST)
    
:For historical reference, see the Hollywood film, ''The Dirty Dozen'', or read about how the ''[[Einsatzgruppen]]'' were recruited from prisons and mental hospitals from people considered unfit for frontline duty. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 03:15, December 26, 2025 (EST)
 
:For historical reference, see the Hollywood film, ''The Dirty Dozen'', or read about how the ''[[Einsatzgruppen]]'' were recruited from prisons and mental hospitals from people considered unfit for frontline duty. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 03:15, December 26, 2025 (EST)
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