Talk:NATO war in Ukraine

Turkey cannot be considered a belligerent power yet:

• Turkey host peace talks and acts as mediator;
• Turkey has not imposed sanctions and welcomes Russian investors and tourists;
• Turkey has closed the Dardanelles to NATO warships;
• Grey Wolves is not a government entity;
• Turkish cooperation with Russia in Syria.

On the other side of the leger you have:

• Sale of Baktayar drones to Ukraine.

Now, if you can prove Turkey allowed NATO forces through the Dardanelles to sink the Moskva, you possible have a case, however that still appears highly unlikely.

Please, think twice before inserting ANY information attributed to Ukrainian sources, like Klitschko (remember what Nuland said about Klitschko?) RobS^Z 01:50, May 2, 2022 (EDT)

Turkey would fall under NATO, anyway, which is already listed, showing how susceptible you are to Ukie propaganda, brainwashing, and Western psyops. RobS^Z 02:12, May 2, 2022 (EDT)

DPR snipers

DPR snipers are using the same 1943 & 1944 Mosin sniper rifles their grandfathers used to kill Nazi to kill Nazis today. [1] RobS^Z 16:49, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

reversion was an accident

My reversion was an accident due to a touch-screen mishap. I didn't even know it happened until now. Sorry! I will try to restore but that is not easy now.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 02:15, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

No problem. I'll fix it. I was wondering what happened, like maybe you got a nasty phone call complaining about "NATO aggression" or something. RobS^{Ich bin ein breakfast taco} 02:33, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

I have deliberately tried to avoid using links to The Saker blog & Southfront to avoid Google blacklisting, cause they are largely regarded as GRU fronts (which they probably are). RobS^{Ich bin ein breakfast taco} 02:35, August 8, 2022 (EDT)

What a bunch of idiots

Ukraine right now has superior artillery weapons, albeit far fewer in number than necessary. The problem is, nobody knows how to use them. It can take 18 months of training on some systems, and their best soldiers now are long dead.

Lay this devastating debacle on the doorstep of the NATO idiots, the Zelensky regime idiots, the EU idiots who bankrupted themselves and destroyed their own economies to pay for it, and the idiots in the Biden White House and NSC staff.

If I were a Ukrainian "nationalist", I'd be blaming the West right now BIG TIME. If I were an American (which I am) I'd get the hell out before this contagion of death and destruction in Ukraine, and starvation in the EU, spreads to the U.S. The time is short. RobS^{Ich bin ein breakfast taco} 05:44, August 29, 2022 (EDT)

The article tone should be improved

While it's apparent that Ukrainian nationalists have committed numerous atrocities, the Kremlin forces aren't innocent either since they also bombed buildings and killed innocent people. —LT ^{(The Old Right was right!)} Monday, 16:29, November 21, 2022 (EST)

We don't know that for sure. All we have is discredited Ukrainian and Western media sources spewing that biased hate and garbage. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:00, November 22, 2022 (EST)

Western media has two serious problems (1) they knowingly discredited themselves by knowingly reporting biased and false information; (2) they knowingly discredited themselves by censoring Russian sources. That is their problem they created for themselves. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:05, November 22, 2022 (EST)

Findings

So, Obama ordered up the Russiagate hoax https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/fresh-evidence-obama-ordered-up-the-phony-russiagate-scandal/

To cover his butt, he authorized covert sabotage activities inside Russia (WaPo).

The sabotage activities are now provocative Acts of War that invite a retaliatory strike against the United States. [2][3][4]

Nixon could not have thought up something so diabolical. This is the "change you can believe in", thermonuclear war based on lies to get back at Trump for the Birther movement. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:20, December 27, 2022 (EST)

Zaporozhe

Interesting documentary on Zaporozhe. Since the 2014 coup, Western oligarchs have driven down the price of wheat, trying to run Zaporozhe farmers out of business so Western agricultural conglomerates can buy them up cheap. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

This would be called the "weaponization of food" - "he who controls the food supply controls the world". IOWs, Western oligarchs and agricultural conglomerates bought wheat heavily after the Maidan coup to suppress the price, impoverish Ukrainian farmers, and drive them out of business. Putin disrupted their plans (he saw what they did in Russia under Yeltsin).

Comment: So obviously Western oligarchs and multinational agricultural conglomerates kicked back millions into foundations, think tanks, educational institutions, media, and political coffers to demonize Putin (you know, all the globalist garbage User:Cons persistently cites) for all money he cost them and thwarting their longterm goals. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:01, March 3, 2023 (EST)

This plan of lowering prices to drive smaller competitors out of business and buy them up was perfected by John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil and why anti-trust laws were passed in the United States. Only Russia, and now Ukraine, didn't have any such laws to protect small enterprises from unfair trade practices prior to Putin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:07, March 3, 2023 (EST)

Putin is the champion of mom n pop Main Street businesses and consumers who enjoy the benefits of price competition in Russia, and now Ukraine, to protect them from monopoly control of large corporations. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:12, March 3, 2023 (EST)

Poor, misunderstood St. Putin - the divorced, ex-KGB man whose drunk countrymen don't have a replacement level of children. And merely 1% of his countrymen go to church. If only they had a leader who regularly went to church to serve as a role model! Conservative (talk) 23:03, March 3, 2023 (EST)

Don't tell me, tell the democratic voters who elected Putin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:42, March 4, 2023 (EST)

Putin is an ex-KGB officer. It is not a stretch of the imagination to believe the numerous credible reports of him killing his political opponents or the numerous credible reports of Russia setting up torture places in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 09:13, March 4, 2023 (EST)

Who killed Andrew Breitbart? Who killed Jeffrey Epstein? Who killed John F. Kennedy. One day you will wake up and realize that you live in the real world. Till then, I doubt you understand Prof. Mearsheimer's school of realism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:42, March 4, 2023 (EST)

Torture? That must make him evil, I 'spose. Who ran the torture places in Gitmo and Libya, Dick Cheney, John Brennan, or Barack Obama? It really doesn't matter, cause you paid for it and they did it in your name. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:59, March 4, 2023 (EST)

But for clarity, I agree with you: Torturing U.S.-backed Nazis for more information about their contacts and organization is, as Biden says about "Superpredators", beyond the pale. Instead, you just hang'em with a loose rope so they dangle for 15 minutes before actually dying. [5] That didn't violate the Geneva Convention, did it?

Which raises a very interesting question, Why were the Americans tasked with the executions, and not the Russians, French, or Brits? Oh, yeah, cause they were expected to carry out justice fairly and not get carried away with emotion. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:59, March 4, 2023 (EST)

I note with great bemusement that you didn't jump on the anti-torture bandwagon of the Democrats and Barack Obama when the facts were known in 2008, and now you wanna accuse others of whataboutism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:27, March 4, 2023 (EST)

Breaking: Zaporozhe Territorial Defense mutinies against Zelensky regime.

Breaking: The 'SOB' Biden wanted fired who colluded with Giuliani during impeachment 2.0 (Lutsenko) isn't a Russian agent afterall, and is fighting with the AFU in Bakhmut. [6] The guy who replaced the 'SOB' Viktor Shokin that Biden wanted fired is fighting in Bakhmut. Will he survive as a POW to tell his story about covering up the crimes of Burisma? Why was a 60 year old man sent on a suicide mission? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:34, March 4, 2023 (EST)

User:Conservative: On a personal level, discussing Russia, Putin, the war, of anything geopolitical with you is reminiscent of geopolitical discussions I had with Clintonites, both in person and on the internet, in the 1990s. With a sense of nostalgia, here's your theme song. Enjoy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:34, March 5, 2023 (EST)

On a superficial level, you have bought into Russian propaganda hook, line and sinker. But at a deeper level, you still recognize that the United States is a superior culture and place to live because you have not moved to Russia where Russian state propaganda floods the media and alternative media outlets have been shut down. Conservative (talk) 05:00, March 5, 2023 (EST)

"superior culture". Nothing more needs to be said. As the US suffers another major military defeat at the hands of subhuman, uncivilized barbaric Russian Asiatic hordes, and with the transition to multipolarity, that's one phrase you will need to expunge from your vocabulary and thinking. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:58, March 6, 2023 (EST)

And no, I haven't "bought the Russian line hook line and sinker". I can began studying US-Russian relations circa 1963 when the United States was going to draft my butt when I turned 18 to go off and get killed in a war for God knows what. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:01, March 6, 2023 (EST)