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Move request

Hallo. I need your help to move two pages as I made errors in their titles.

One of them is "Sarah Brown Liberal Democrat". It has been suggested I change this to "Sarah Brown (UK Politician)" as most readers are American. I just need to figure out how to do this.

The second is "Jane Samantha Fae alias John Ozimek" which should read Jane Francesca Fae. I would be very grateful if you could please shift those for me. GraceDalrymple

Yes, I saw the discussion. I have moved those two pages, as requested. Moving pages is restricted to administrators and SysOps, so it is not your fault, as if you just can't figure out how to move pages...the wiki will not let you. No need to feel bad about it!
I am happy to help, so just let me know if/when you need further assistance. It's no trouble! --David B (TALK) 14:41, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move Qanon to QAnon? --1990'sguy (talk) 09:37, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

In addition to the above, would you please move Category:Christian social reformers for capitalization. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (EST)
Both done --David B (TALK) 18:00, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Another move request: would you please fix the spelling error in this image title (the word "official" specifically)? File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg --1990'sguy (talk) 15:15, 1 December 2018 (EST)

I think that actually may be deliberate (see:ña-Nieto-Oficial-1708563375863631). I don't mind moving it if you still think that is needed, but it is protected so someone will need to unlock it first. --David B (TALK) 17:28, 1 December 2018 (EST)
Good point -- it's probably Spanish. However, we are an English-language encyclopedia, so it might still be good to change it. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:38, 3 December 2018 (EST)
My Spanish is very rusty, but that was my assumption. I'm fine with moving it though. Want me to ask Andy to unlock it? --David B (TALK) 22:30, 3 December 2018 (EST)
I would appreciate that. Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 23:10, 3 December 2018 (EST)
Done! File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg --David B (TALK) 22:05, 4 December 2018 (EST)
Would you please move this page to capitalize the "M": Javier milei? Also, please watch your email. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:03, 6 December 2018 (EST)
Moved. I just thinking about email... --David B (TALK) 17:05, 6 December 2018 (EST)
Would you please move Ilana mercer to Ilana Mercer and delete the new redirect? --1990'sguy (talk) 08:48, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Done. I have been sometimes leaving the redirects (for a while) so that new editors who don't know how to use RC can still find their pages. However, that may be unnecessary, and since I see you usually delete the redirect anyway, I will plan on just deleting the redirect in the future. --David B (TALK) 17:29, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Thanks! Regarding redirects, I guess it depends on the specific article. I'm fine deciding case-by-case, since redirects might be more necessary for some articles over others. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2018 (EST)
Hello DavidB4, would you please move Eastern Empires vs Western Empires to be an essay? I would rather delete it, but it just seems like a low-quality opinion article that could just be reformatted as such. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2018 (EST)
Done. I was tempted to delete it also, especially considering that it seems to have been made by a disposable account. However, I was waiting to see what others thought. --David B (TALK) 17:02, 20 December 2018 (EST)

While I'm reluctant to rename my "Donald Trump achievements" articles so long after creation, it probably would be a good idea to move Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security to Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security. If you agree this is a good idea, would you please do it, and would you then delete the redirect and change every link where I (or someone else) has linked it? Then, I will begin doing the 2-3 article splits I told you about. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:35, 31 December 2018 (EST)

I agree--that is a repetitive name, so a move makes sense. I have moved the page, and clean up most of the links to the old name. However, I have a little bit of a time crunch right now, so I'm going to need to leave one thing undone: Donald Trump needs to be unlocked so the link can be updated. I can ask for the unlock later, or you can if you get there first. --David B (TALK) 17:02, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please move the article Conservative Revolution to the "essay" namespace? I don't want to delete it outright, but the article isn't suitable as an encyclopedia article, considering the use of second person, lack of intro paragraph, and the fact it seems to be making an argument like an essay. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:44, 1 July 2019 (EDT)

Also, please move the article Edward feser to capitalize the guy's last name. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:16, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
Also, do you see any problem with these articles: Generation Identity, European New Right? Either way, they need formatting work. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2019 (EDT)

I see no glaring issues, on the surface, although the formatting of Generation Identity suggests that it came from a Wiki. I didn't find any problems with a standard plagiarism check. It needs some cleanup though. European New Right looks incomplete and need expansion. No glaring issues though.
I've moved these pages. Sorry for the wait. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:21, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 00:49, 6 July 2019 (EDT)
Would you please move Wwe roster to capitalize "WWE"? --1990'sguy (talk) 00:12, 10 July 2019 (EDT)
Good idea. I've moved it, but left the redirect for now, so the author doesn't "loose" the page. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:23, 10 July 2019 (EDT)


hi and thank you for move sugguestion to sting. Massaq25 (talk) 18:23, 29 September 2018 (EDT)

Hello, and you're welcome! Do you agree? I'm open to other suggestions, I just don't think that "sting" is a sufficiently descriptive title. --David B (TALK) 18:27, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
DavidB4, I would appreciate it if you would move the page now. No need for a move tag (nobody's going to comment there anyway). --1990'sguy (talk) 23:29, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
Moved to Steve Borden with a redirect from "Sting (wrestler)" --David B (TALK) 01:09, 30 September 2018 (EDT)


Those quotes weren't my own, you should know that, they're from actual people. Also, if it's debatable, then please by all means...refute me. --Makuta Makaveli (talk) 02:48, 1 December 2018 (EST)

I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I will still point out that a simple Google search shows it's very debatable: 1,2,3,4 -- the info you added was undue weight, considering the overall size of the article, and it falsely implied that abstinence is a bad thing for your health. It appears that it is only when you really want to have sex and you don't. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:58, 1 December 2018 (EST)
Yes, it was a very one-sided argument, which is factually questionable. Without getting unnecessarily descriptive, the body does have ways of dealing with some of the stated issues. Research is sketchy if even existent on several of the things you mentioned. Additionally, the first paragraph was written as your own, mot a quote, even though is was a direct copy-and-paste from another source. (That is by definition plagiarism--taking credit for someone else's work.) --David B (TALK) 13:03, 1 December 2018 (EST)
So what are the health benefits of sex, besides relieving stress and helping you fall asleep? Studies have shown that regular sex has a protective effect on the heart, lowering the risk of heart attack in men. For both men and women, “It increases blood flow to the genitals and probably helps the immune system,” Herbenick says. “All things being equal, it’s also fun when things are going well [in your relationship.]”

So abstaining – especially long-term – can carry some physical consequences. In women, it can cause the atrophying of underused vaginal or hip muscles, Lindau says. Vaginismus is a common condition characterized by hypersensitivity of the muscles around the opening of the vagina, she adds. Those muscles – along with the pelvic floor muscles – are important for controlling penetration, and they need to be in a relaxed state during sexual intercourse. If they are hyper-contracted – not necessarily from abstinence itself, but accumulated fear or anticipation of the first sexual experience – sex can be very painful. “They say it feels like he’s hit a wall,” Lindausays, adding that vaginismus can be treated.

I said refute me, but instead you give me extra arguments. Thank you so much. --Makuta Makaveli (talk) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Neither of us are arguing that sex is bad or harmful -- all of the articles I cited said that sex can be good, but abstinence can also be good. You're committing a fallacy by assuming that just because sex is good means that abstinence is bad.
Unless you get STDs or anything like that from sex, it is just as good as abstinence. The articles made it clear that abstinence does not have harmful side-effects. You need to read the cited articles better. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:30, 1 December 2018 (EST)
I guess the only real way to settle this is to get actual data from the field. Makuta Makaveli (talk) 15:18, 1 December 2018 (EST)
Makuta, are you pushing sex outside of marriage between husband and wife in this website? Karajou (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)
No, I'm pushing for knowledge of the dangers of lifelong abstinence. But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it so why are you asking? --Makuta Makaveli (talk) 20:22, 1 December 2018 (EST)
"dangers of lifelong abstinence" -- That's ridiculous, and choosing not to have sex (especially outside of heterosexual marriage) is normal, and sex outside of marriage can actually be dangerous (if there are STDs involved). Many people have been abstinent and turned out just fine. You're distorting the facts to make it seem like it's a necessity to have sex in order to be healthy, and if you don't there's a medical problem, when in reality neither option is inherently harmful.
"But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it" If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:44, 1 December 2018 (EST)
"If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it."
Haha! Can... --Makuta Makaveli (talk) 21:34, 1 December 2018 (EST)
Want me to turn it into a "Will"? --1990'sguy (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2018 (EST)
Action without cause. To pardon is true power but you have nothing to pardon, I'm giving you no trouble. --Makuta Makaveli (talk) 22:01, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Makuta Makaveli either has an agenda, or gets his/her information from people who have an agenda to promote casual sex by making abstinence look like a "health hazard." The Atheist YouTuber "MrRepzion" also claimed that one needed to have "trial sex" to see if the two are "sexually compatible." It would help CP if the articles had information debunking these claims Shobson20 (talk) 12:08, 2 December 2018 (EST)

Most people argue that there is "no harm" in casual sex--that has become a common claim (although some say is is risky due to STDs). Because of this, there are plentiful materials arguing that claim. However, it is much harder to find support for this claim that is is actually unhealthy to abstain by choice. I've seen a few unscientific blog posts, etc. about it, but nothing verifiable. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist (there is always someone willing to write a paper on some fringe belief which people want to hear--just look at chocolate, for example, where they like to disregard the health costs of sugar and just look at the pure chocolate, which by the way tastes pretty bad on its own) but I'm not finding proof.
Shobson20, the "try it before you buy it" idea is certainly nothing new in personal relationships. I suspect you are correct in linking these two, as people who would like to engage in this practice would like to have something like this to point to as a defense for their actions. --David B (TALK) 00:54, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Why did I get blocked by "Minuteman?"

I was fixing the damage that "My password is green" was doing. I sometimes notice vandals before CP's admins do, and sometimes I try to help. Shobson20 (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2018 (EST)

I replied to your email. You did nothing wrong. Thank you for your vigilance, and I apologize for this! --David B (TALK) 19:30, 15 December 2018 (EST)
What are the qualifications for becoming a sysop on this site? I would like to be able to help by stopping the trolls and vandals who frequently attack this site. Shobson20 (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2018 (EST)
As best I can tell, there is no official criteria. However, this page might be useful to answer some basic questions: Conservapedia:User_rights. Typically, SysOp rights are given to users who have been editing for some time, and proven themselves trustworthy. I don't think there is a specific checklist that you can do, to get these rights. However, the one responsible for promotions is User:Aschlafly, so you might be able to get a better idea from him as to what he specifically looks for. --David B (TALK) 20:59, 15 December 2018 (EST)

I too have just been blocked by Minuteman (talk contribs count). I copied over the WP article for anarcho-conservatism, which the WP zealots are about to delete. The text there is mine, though most of the article is still in quotes from references, as more text is needed (hence why I brought it here). — WisdomTooth3 (talk) 00:17, 1 January 2019 (EST)

You were blocked for one hour so we could review what you were doing, because you were importing a page from WP which looked a bit like plagiarism. Since it is your own writing, then you may recreate that page, but it could use some improvements. Namely, the quotes themselves can use work, as they do not provide context. If you intend to make further improvements to the page, then we welcome our efforts! --David B (TALK) 16:29, 1 January 2019 (EST)
Per 1990'sguy's suggestion, recreated it here. Not sure when I'll be able to improve it. Please feel free to chip in. — WisdomTooth3 (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)
Thank you! I am not a subject matter expert on that topic, so I don't know how much help I can be, but I will look it over later. --David B (TALK) 18:32, 2 January 2019 (EST)
By the way, it is probably not helpful for the article to link to itself. Unless they point to a specific part of the page, they should probably be removed. --David B (TALK) 18:42, 2 January 2019 (EST)

Merge proposal

What do you think about this merge request: Talk:Carbon cycle (astronomy)? I am inclined to support it, but it's probably a good idea to get more than one opinion on it. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:32, 29 December 2018 (EST)

I've never really studies that specific topic, but the proposal sounds fine to me. I looked up "carbon cycle" and found a great deal of information, but on the wrong topic. From my limited understanding, a merge sounds like a good idea.
--David B (TALK) 14:30, 29 December 2018 (EST)

tag at bottom of pages "quotation templates"

Many of the content pages I create use quotes of other web content. At the bottom of the articles I created using quotes, there is a tag at the bottom of the pages indicating "quotation templates". This is a new and unwanted development.

For example, please look at the bottom of this web page: Atheism and mental illness.

Can we get the "quotation templates" tag to not be there. Before they never used to be there. Conservative (talk) 21:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

I made a small mistake, but cannot fix it until template:cquote is unlocked again. I'm sorry about that--I should have noticed sooner. Someone needs to add the "noinclude" tags to the category link. If someone unlocks the page, I will fix the issue. Again, sorry about that! --David B (TALK) 23:23, 29 December 2018 (EST)
I unlocked the page.Conservative (talk) 23:25, 29 December 2018 (EST)
Thanks, I believe I fixed it. You can lock it again. --David B (TALK) 23:36, 29 December 2018 (EST)
Thanks for fixing the issue. I appreciate it.Conservative (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)
Any time! Thanks for pointing it out! --David B (TALK) 23:46, 29 December 2018 (EST)


Would you please check Alejandro Garcia Padilla for originality? It could be, but many of the refs are formatted like on Wikipedia. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Of course! It definitely originated from WP. Slightly edited, but still copied. See:ía_Padilla --David B (TALK) 20:12, 30 December 2018 (EST)
You beat me to it. Obvious copy from WP, with slight alterations. You don't need to check reference format; just check the text. SamHB (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Would you please delete all the portions that are copied? --1990'sguy (talk) 20:42, 30 December 2018 (EST)
I'll take another look, but I think the whole thing needs to go. Also, this is not the first time. See: User_talk:HectorCruz66#Originality --David B (TALK) 20:45, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Oh, and I didn't mean to ignore you, Sam. Thanks for checking also! You're right--just looking at the pages shows all you need to know. --David B (TALK) 20:54, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Deleting it, then, is the best option. Would you please do that? --1990'sguy (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Sure. I'm still looking at it, but sure, I'll delete it unless I find a reason not to. --David B (TALK) 21:37, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please check the page James Ritchey to see if there's anything problematic (in general, not just originality, since it's two sentences long)? If there's nothing, I guess we can keep it. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:45, 17 January 2019 (EST)

Well, he exists. It seems he's a small-time actor who has been in a few movies I've never heard of, and is barely active on YouTube. This does seem to be relatively original text...all two sentences of it.
So on to the negative, I firstly find the wording "internet celebrity" rather questionable. I don't see anything suggesting that title. I could be missing something, but from what I'm seeing, he looks more like a wannabe celebrity. Each of his youtube videos has between 1K and 7K views. Assuming those views were not farmed, that still seems a ways away from the numbers a celebrity would have. He second most viewed video seems to be review of a water bottle....I didn't watch it to find out if it is sponsored.
I suspect he is trying to make a name for himself, which slots this "article" into a suspicious category anyway.
Bottom line, there is nothing blatantly wrong, but I see why you were questioning it. This smells fishy. I'd be included to nuke it for a lack of notability, but I'm okay with keeping it. --David B (TALK) 18:31, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Oh, and a couple search engines (at least Yahoo and Yandex [and therefore DuckDuckGo]) have already crawled this page, and added it to the first page of results from searching his name. I used a clean OS and browser, so no user history bias there. --David B (TALK) 18:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)
If you think that page is an advertisement (which is very likely), then I am perfectly fine deleting it. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Ok, I think I'll delete it then. Too many suspicious factors. --David B (TALK) 22:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

Assuming we should keep this essay (I shouldn't jump to conclusions), it should be moved so we have a colon: Essay History of racism and the Democrats. Unrelated, there's no mention of how Reconstruction Democrats passed gun control laws to prevent black people from engaging in self-defense. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:48, 18 January 2019 (EST)

I hadn't gotten the chance to review it yet. I'm moved the page, but I think it might be helpful to keep the redirect for the moment. This seems like a reasonably good essay, so I'm find with keeping it. I will send you an email shortly. --David B (TALK) 18:29, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, I am wondering if any of these images would be acceptable for me to upload (regarding licensing): [1][2][3] Also, I am wondering if you know of any free images of the Trump Administration deployment of troops along the border with Mexico late last year? --1990'sguy (talk) 16:18, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Hi, Twitter is always a little iffy, but these are probably okay. Firstly, images made by an employee of the U.S. government as a part of their duties are automatically in the Public Domain. Secondly, a number of other users here republish twitter images under "Fair use." The first one is ideal, so if this is the case as it looks, use one or more of them for this reason.
I do not know of any images of troops at the border, and couldn't find any good ones after a quick check. I will look a little more later. --David B (TALK) 17:06, 20 January 2019 (EST)
Thanks! Would you please look over this image to make sure there aren't any problems? File:Donald Trump Angel Families.jpg --1990'sguy (talk) 14:46, 21 January 2019 (EST)
Any time! I do find it a little questionable that Pence took that photo. However, if it was one of his aids, it is still PD. However, if it was taken by the press, it is probably not. I don't know if there is a way to find out who actually took it, since this is a Twitter post. --David B (TALK) 15:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)
I don't know where to find who took the picture. I'm assuming it's his office, since I don't see why his office would rely on the media for such a picture.
Also, I don't know where else to find a picture of this specific event. I checked the White House's Flickr page, among other pages, but couldn't find anything. If you are able to find a better image, I would appreciate it (you don't have to, though). --1990'sguy (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2019 (EST)
I'm not having much luck either. Let's just go with what you have. --David B (TALK) 15:50, 21 January 2019 (EST)
OK. I wish it were easier to find a free picture of this event, but oh well. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:01, 21 January 2019 (EST)
Considering all of the cameras in that room, it does seem surprising. --David B (TALK) 16:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)
Oh, second person to the left of Trump is Pence, so he definitely was not holding the camera :) --David B (TALK) 16:08, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, would you please check the newly-created article Athanasio Celia for originality, and to make quality improvements if you have the time? --1990'sguy (talk) 09:10, 9 February 2019 (EST)

Hello, it looks like this is a (perhaps slightly revised) copy of an old version of the WP page on the subject. I did not dig through WP, but I'm seeing matches to here: [4] which is an Amazon page quoting WP, and here: [5] which is probably plagiarism as well. This was not a complete match anywhere my tools saw--more like a 30% match or so. --David B (TALK) 17:40, 9 February 2019 (EST)
Do you think it should be deleted? Either way, the page has formatting/copyedit issues. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:41, 9 February 2019 (EST)
It looks like WP deleted it, but "" saved a copy. It looks like we should delete it unless we can verify that the original author was the one to post it here. It is worth finding that out first, as it is not uncommon for us to get rescued paged from WP editors. --David B (TALK) 17:49, 9 February 2019 (EST)
While we're waiting for the above page to get sorted out, would you please move the page Indian struggle to The Indian Struggle? Also, there should probably be a Indian Struggle page. This whole thing is a mess right now. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:36, 11 February 2019 (EST)
Also, if you would take a look at this page, I would appreciate it: Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose --1990'sguy (talk) 16:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)
I am very busy right now, but have moved that page as requested. I will deal with the other issues soon. If I don't do so within a week, feel free to remind me. --David B (TALK) 21:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)
Oh dear....Okay, some of that page might be original, but at least some parts, including the fact list are definitely not original. That list is all over the internet. This page: [6] is one possible place this may have come from, but if you take a look at a web search of the any one "fact," you will see that that it is all over the place. It's going to be hard to nail down where it actually came from. In any case, we should challenge it. --David B (TALK) 14:05, 12 February 2019 (EST)

Page improvement

Hello DavidB4, it might be worth taking a look at and moving this article: Template:Examples of Liberal Bias

I think it should probably be moved to a mainspace article or at least have its formatting improved. For example, the template is transcluded in the Liberal bias article, and if you look at the table of contents, starting at the first "See also" section and below, the template transclusion messes things up. Of course, whether we move this article to mainspace or simply do some formatting fixes, it's going to take some work to get this done. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:44, 28 January 2019 (EST)

I see what you mean; it is as if someone wanted this to both be a template and a standalone page. It must be one or the other. If it was unlocked, I think I could fix it to work properly as a template, but it would not be a good standalone page. --David B (TALK) 01:50, 29 January 2019 (EST)
It looks better to me. What do you think...Have I missed any issues? --David B (TALK) 15:27, 29 January 2019 (EST)
Looks good to me! The only issue is the double space below the template, as you can see at the Liberal bias article -- this isn't a big deal, though. It seems to me that the "See also" link on the template is kind of useless (unless someone directly accesses the template, and considering the Examples of Liberal Bias redirect, that might happen). --1990'sguy (talk) 17:56, 29 January 2019 (EST)
Good point, I'd missed that spacing issue, but I think I've fixed it now. That see also link is not included when the page is transcluded, but only shows on the template page itself. I figured that was a reasonable compromise. --David B (TALK) 18:36, 29 January 2019 (EST)
I think it is a reasonable compromise -- thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2019 (EST)

Article move request

It might be worth considering moving Jane Samantha Fae to Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek -- that's what User:GraceDalrymple did, but how she did it was very poor, simply blanking one page and creating the other one, and she didn't make the first page a proper redirect. For the record, this page appears to be of someone born a male and who now identifies as a woman, so the current female name title may not be appropriate. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:00, 2 March 2019 (EST)

I'm willing to make the move, but this name makes it sound like "John Ozimek" is the alias, while "Jane Francesca Fae" is the real name. Jane should be first in such a page name, though, since that's probably what someone is going to search for. If I was making the page, I would probably just call it "Jane Francesca" or else put something parenthetical afterwards, like "Jane Francesca Fae (John Ozimek)". If you think "Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek" is best, though, I'll do it. --David B (TALK) 17:40, 2 March 2019 (EST)
I'm thinking it should simply be moved to his real name, John Ozimek, just like the Bradley Manning and Bruce Jenner articles were done. Northwest (talk) 23:16, 2 March 2019 (EST)
Tempting, as we all know that's he still is. However, his legal name is now "Jane," so I'm not sure if we should leave that out altogether. We could. --David B (TALK) 01:58, 3 March 2019 (EST)
How about this: John Ozimek (Jane Samantha Fae)? --David B (TALK) 20:48, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Would you please take a look here: Talk:Newfoundland? This article might have to be moved. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

Confirmed, that's the name now, so I moved it. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:13, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

Great work!

Great work in adding those references to benefits of capitalism!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:30, 28 March 2019 (EDT)

Thanks! It could use some more work, but it's progress. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:40, 28 March 2019 (EDT)

World History Study Guide from 1648

This article contains a wrong info. "(1923) created the modern state of Turkey, with a combination of military rule and an elected Parliament; also converted the Arabic language to a modern, Latin-style alphabet". Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a Turk and he converted the Turkish language to Latin-style alphabet. Please correct it. Thank you. - Andrewlee (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

I know very little about that page or the history it speaks of, but that page is locked from editing by anyone other than full administrators, so I cannot make this change in any case. You could try asking User:Aschlafly or User:Karajou for assistance with this. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:29, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

Image upload requests

I requested to upload several images for an essay I am writing and have gotten no reply. Can you please help me? --ProudGator (talk) 09:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

Hi, I noticed your request, and I will get to it. Typically, requests are taken in the order they are received, and we have a substantial backlog of request right now. I will do these two soon, but in the future, I will take them in order to be fair to the others making upload requests. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
I've uploaded three of them. However, the last one you requested is owned by National Geographic, which specifically states that we cannot republish their content. (See CP:IUR for more information.) --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:27, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

Image upload

If yo could upload one of the images I linked to on Andrew Schlafly's talkpage that'd be great! JohnSelway (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

Sure: File:Jacinda Ardern, 2018.jpeg
If you need any more done, feel free to add the request to the bottom of Conservapedia:Image upload requests --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:00, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

Look at this edit

Please look at this edit: DavidB4 and Conservapedia. Conservative (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:37, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Bay of Pigs switch

Should the page Bay of Pigs actually be Bay of Pigs invasion? One is a place, the other is a historical event. Progressingamerica (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

Yes, this should be clarified--thanks for pointing it out! This is a large page with many contributors, so I've put the move template on it as a prior announcement. If no one objects or makes other suggestions, I will move it soon. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:24, 5 May 2019 (EDT)
Sounds good to me. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:27, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

Editing question

Hi DavidB4 and the others!

I just created an account a few days ago and have been doing some adding of pages and editing. Unfortunately, I think I might have gotten a little carried away and did some editing to a page that wasn't mine (Romulus Augustulus, the last Roman emperor) without taking time to check up on editing etiquette. So that I know for future reference, is it generally expected that you shouldn't do significant editing without talking to the original author first?

My apologies to the author; I hope you'll forgive it as just a case of over-enthusiasm.


Hi Teakin88, Welcome to Conservapedia!
I see nothing unfortunate about some initiative to improve an article--good work! If you are going to make a major point-of-view change, or do something potentially controversial, it would probably be a good idea to first ask on the respective article talk page. If no one objects, then go for it. For general, non-controversial expansions like this, there shouldn't typically be any need to ask. It should also be noted that no one really "owns" articles. There are some articles in which a single editor has made a significant investment (1990'sguy and the Donald Trump achievements articles come to mind). In those cases, would probably be the courteous thing to do to ask before removing, changing, or contradicting preexisting content. Also, if you plan to change the perspective of an article (i.e., changing the Donald Trump article to say he's a traitor, lair, and jerk) you should probably ask first. However, in most cases, you can just go ahead and make improvements where you see the need. If someone disagrees with an edit you made, they will probably revert that edit and let you know. In that case, respect the senior editor, talk to them, and come to some agreement. I hope this clarifies the matter. If in doubt, it never hurts to ask. Contrary to popular belief, it's often better to ask for permission than forgiveness. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:58, 8 May 2019 (EDT)
One extra thing -- even for non-controversial changes, I strongly recommend always citing reliable sources. This is helpful as they increase CP's reputability, and they are helpful for readers who want to research a certain topic further in-depth. Thanks for your edits, Teakin88. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:17, 9 May 2019 (EDT)
A very good point--yes, please include references. If you used any sources, even just for a basic understanding of the subject, they should always be cited. If you do not have any, I still suggest you do a little research, and find a good source which supports what you are writing. Common knowledge does not need to be cited (i.e. "red is a color") but when you are making an assertion which some reads may not have already known, try to cite it. It shouldn't be particularly difficult, just list the source, such as a URL, and perhaps the date you retrieved it. You are welcome to use any formal citation style, but you are not required or expected to do so. Most editors just paste the link inside of <ref> </ref> tags after the statement being referenced. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:10, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

Historical revisionism and revisionism

These two pages Revisionism and Historical revisionism are basically the same topic and ought to be merged under the banner of the second. I'll start expanding the revisionism page into general themes afterward. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

That sounds good to me. I'll be a bit busy for the next 4-5 days, but I will merge these when I get the chance. If you want, feel free to move over the valuable content from Revisionism yourself, and make is page a redirect. Otherwise, I'll do it when I can. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:16, 9 May 2019 (EDT)
Done: Historical revisionism --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:33, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

Email is bouncing

I sent a message to your email, and it bounced. Shobson20 (talk) 12:41, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

That's odd! I checked over things on my end, and everything seems to look right. Are you attempting the address listed on my user page? --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:51, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
I was able to send a test message there successfully. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:38, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
I used the address on your user page, and I get a message from "Mail Delivery Subsystem <>" that says "Message not delivered

There was a problem delivering your message to See the technical details below, or try resending in a few minutes.

The response from the remote server was: 550 Mail to has been suspended" Shobson20 (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

Oh, that's my old address. It now bounces emails due to spam. Sorry for the trouble! I changed that public address last December. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:07, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

Thank you!

Thank you for recreating my user page! Ahmed Samoa (talk)

A communist troll

A Communist troll who first used the Username "MarxistLeninist" is repeatedly making sock accounts and just won't get the message and go away. Shobson20 (talk) 22:54, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for the tip. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:37, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

Mormons are Christian.

Hi, I was reading the page about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I am LDS (Mormon) and this article contains false things about the Church. It quotes Dr. James White, a Christian pastor, who is NOT MORMON and has written many anti-Mormon articles. White does not understand what the Church is about and he claims Mormons are not Christian. We are Christian! People like White and others from mainstream Christian churches misunderstand the doctrines of the LDS Church! I am a convert to the LDS church and there are SO many misconceptions about the Church, things taken out of context and distorted. It's disappointing that a site like this would perpetuate these false accusations. I would like to be able to edit the article if I could, since I am an actual Mormon. I don't know how to go about doing that.

Thank you,


It's understandable that you want to support your church, but why are you trying to isolate Dr. White? You've reduced his contributions to virtually nothing. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 13:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for reaching out! I am not personally an expert on Mormonism, so I might not be the right person to ask. However, I will be blunt with you: it seems that Mormonism is classified by many as cult for good reason. For example:
  • The Bible says that there is only one God (for example, see: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; 45:5). Mormonism, however, says that:
    • there are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)
    • There is a mother goddess (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443)
  • The Bible teaches that God is an eternal, infinite being, who created man in His (spiritual) image, but was never himself a man. Mormonism teaches that:
    • God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
    • "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22)
    • God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
    • "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
Furthermore, it teaches that after you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354), which is outright blasphemy. This sounds like what is written in Genesis 3:5: "For God knows that when you eat from [the tree] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil," which was spoken by Satan.
Mormonism is based on Christianity, but so is Islam. Adding new things to Christianity and abrogate parts of scripture is pretty much what cults specialize in. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:17, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Article move requests

Should the article The mossadil be kept? If so, please move it to The MossadIL. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:49, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

Initially, this sounded rather like something not notable enough to have an article. However, the account has over 115,000 followers at present. That sounds like a high number, although of course followers can be farmed. Honestly, I pay very little attention to you think that compared to the rest of Twitter, this is notable enough to keep? I find it a little odd having a page about a twitter account, but I'm okay with keeping it. If we do, though, I wonder if a more descriptive name might be better. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:21, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
115,000 followers doesn't seem that high to me. Trump has over 62 million followers, John Bolton is nearing 700,000, and Matteo Salvini and Nigel Farage of Europe both have over 1 million (see Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter). If the article is notable otherwise, that's fine, but I don't think the number of followers makes it notable. --1990'sguy (talk) 05:41, 9 August 2019 (EDT)
Ok, then I say delete it. It might be a good twitter account, but I don't see anything else that makes it notable. There is also a web store behind this account, so there is some monetary motivation for promotion. The account that wrote this CP article is probably not a single-use promo account, but rather probably a good-faith editor. However, I don't think this qualifies as something worth publishing a page about. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:38, 9 August 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for deleting.
Also, would you please move the newly-created Emu war article (created, I think, by the same user) to capitalize the "w"? Also, this article needs a massive amount of improvement, and I don't have time at the moment to do so. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2019 (EDT)
Good suggestion. As I guess you already noticed, I expanded it somewhat and moved it per your request. There is a great deal more which could be written about this topic, but at least the basics are there for now. Also, I think I will go ahead and make the History category you tried to use. That seems like one which could be useful. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:43, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

Help:I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page

Can someone please help so I can improve the page I started? I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page. No explanation was given and I find his censoring very frustrating since this incident some media personalities call Fredogate, is widely covered in youtube.--Bearbrau (talk) 19:15, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

My apologies for that--you did nothing wrong. You were automatically blocked for a 2-hour duration so that we could review your activity—it was nothing personal. Conservapedia gets its fair share of vandalism and internet trolls, so we need to be careful. I noticed this issues and unblocked you seven minutes later, but not before it was an inconvenience. (You were only able to post on our talk pages because you were unblocked.) You may continue where you left off, and should have no further trouble of this sort. If you have any specific questions or concerns, fell free to contact me by email. However, you should be all set to proceed, and this will not be counted against you. Again, Sorry about that! --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:26, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

Two questions/requests

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the article Mainstream conservative? I don't know if this page is to be kept, but it would need significant reworking as it seems rather opinionated. Maybe it should be moved to the "essay" namespace?

Also, would you please keep an eye on the draft User:RobSteff/Slovakia? It seems like the editor wants to redo CP's Slovakia page, but some of the intro wording mirrors the WP article way too closely. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:20, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Hi 1990'sguy!
I rarely see Mainstream conservative, movement conservative, populist conservatives, etc. well defined in comparison to other types of conservatives. If the content here is accurate (I have not verified it, but have no specific reason to doubt it), I think there could be some value in keeping this. As you say, though it will of course need at the very least to be wikified, and should really have some references. It could be considered a subjective explanation and thus an essay, but I think this could be done as a standard article. We do also have an article for Movement conservatives already, so this might fit in where it is, given a little more work. Do you disagree, though?
I will also try to keep an eye on the Slovakia article...good idea. It seems promising that this users replied to your comment about copyright/copy-and-paste. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:38, 18 August 2019 (EDT)
Also, I will note that I'm not sure if Mainstream conservative should focus quite so much on Trump support/opposition. Trump certainly is getting people to show their true colors, but this seems better suited as a separate example, rather than the main point of discussion. Trump will, either in 2020 or 2024, leave office, but chances are, the concept of mainstream conservatives will continue, so I would prefer to see our article on this being more about principles than support/opposition of one person in 2016-2020. I'll post this on that article's talk page as well. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:53, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Move request

Can we move this Essay:Rich Man and Parable of Talents to Parable of the Talents? For the most part (with some minor editing) this could be an actual useful article instead of yet another editorial. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

I'm generally happy to help move things, but as this is Andy's Essay, I wonder if perhaps he should be asked first. Generally, essay space offers special allowances and exceptions which mainspace does not. At present, this piece reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article, so it would need a little editing if it was moved. If he is fine with this, then sure...I would be happy to move it. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:48, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

In the meantime (and not to distract from the above), would you please move Category:British royal family to capitalize the last two words? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

1990'sguy: Good suggestion--I've moved it as you asked. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:38, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! Would you please also look at the move request at Talk:Kosice? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:22, 24 August 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for pointing that out! I used to be able to monitor all activity on CP, but my availability has decreased such that I can only check retroactively for highlights now. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:14, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

Article assessment

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the newly-created article Cruz Derangement Syndrome? Is it notable enough to keep, and if so, would it need any other improvements? Also, while I generally like Cruz (with certain exceptions such as trade and his support for a liberal appellate judge in 2014), I know that CP "officially" takes a more critical stance toward him. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:20, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

Hi 1990'sguy, I might step on some toes with this reply, but here goes--don't take this the wrong way. I was looking at that earlier, and have been thinking about it. Of course, it needs some style fixes, and some categories. As for the content, this seems more like a joking or borderline humor article/essay, rather than an encyclopedia article, but then again, Trump Derangement Syndrome does to some extent as well, but we still have that. Some people do have a very strong reflexive response to Cruz which does in many cases seem somewhat unjustified, so I think this may be valid thing to write about in some form.
The fact of the matter is that neither of these "syndromes" are actual medical conditions or syndromes--this is hyperbole. I question whether that belongs in an encyclopedia, and particularly, the title of an article. Then again, we also use a similar tactic sometimes in reference to scandals (or should-be scandals) by throwing "gate" on the end of it (i.e. Obamagate, Muellergate, Climategate, etc.) which can itself seem rather unprofessional. Basically, I don't like the hyperbole/clickbait title--it seems gimmicky. However, there is something here to be written about, and this will probably fit right in among the others I mentioned (and many more I didn't) --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:44, 5 September 2019 (EDT)
At least in the case of TDS, that's a term that is now common among conservatives, so it's not like CP made up the term when creating the article. I'm not sure about the other articles you mentioned, but I never heard of the term "Cruz Derangement Syndrome" before seeing this article. However, I won't delete the article and will improve it. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:00, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention, then...I've never heard the TDS term anywhere other that CP. I guess I can go either way on CDS. I don't like the terminology, and I generally don't like inventing terms. However, I have no problem with writing about this opposition to Cruz, in some way. --DavidB4 (TALK) 10:42, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Actually, it looks like CDS isn't quite a new term either: [7] --DavidB4 (TALK) 10:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

What do you think about this article: Team plasma? It doesn't seem notable to me, but maybe it can be kept? --1990'sguy (talk) 19:35, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

I agree, it doesn't seem particularly notable. If we keep it, it should be renamed, but I'm not really convinced it is worth having around. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:25, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
I just deleted it. --1990'sguy (talk) 07:49, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Also, I don't know how much you know about this technology company, but do you think the recent edits on this article are positive (I think they probably are, but I want to make sure): AMD? --1990'sguy (talk) 13:41, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. I think those edits were well-intentioned. There was a little bit of an oversight there (the posted market share only included one of two types of product), but I corrected it. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:07, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

How should we deal with this article: Joel gilbert? It's a copy of a particular version of the Wikipedia article (compare with even earlier diffs: [8][9]) -- an editor tried to change (or revert?) the article to his liking, was reverted, and brought his version here. Besides the capitalization error ("gilbert"), is the article appropriate to keep here? I'm leaning delete, but I'm not sure since it isn't the current or accepted Wikipedia version. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

If it was all original content, I would seriously consider keeping it. However, certain parts were not written by this individual. If we chop out the plagiarized parts (everything not added in this edit), this isn't going to be a very good article, since the intro paragraph is the first to go. Either a rewite of these portions is needed, or unfortunately, the whole thing needs to go.
There are also a few typographical errors (such as the title you pointed out, "eared" rather than earned, etc.) and a few other improvements which could be made. However, these are not worth making unless the plagiarized material is removed. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:19, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
Would you please make those changes (assuming you have the time and will to do so--if you don't, that's OK)? I'm devoting my CP time right now to work on my Donald Trump achievements project and would rather not spend much time on maintenance work. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:54, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
Are the editor's changes sufficient? Upon his request, I deleted the old article title, so please see Joel Gilbert. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
Also, in addition to my comment above, I am wondering (assuming you have the time to do so) if you can find any other free images of Trump's meeting with Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban this May,[10] including on Twitter, Facebook, or wherever. I could only find this image, and I'm not sure even about that because it was uploaded only a few days ago by an apparently new editor and doesn't show licensing information. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:15, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
Apologies, I've been quite busy lately. Most of Joel Gilbert looks pretty good now, but the first paragraph is heavily plagiarized. IF that gets re-written, then we should be all set. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:21, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
As far as photos go, it looks like most news outlets are using Getty Images. They buy a copy of the photo, then own it royalty-free. That means that if we could find a new outlet with a loose copyright policy, we could use it. Unfortunately, most of them have a TOS document a mile long adding prohibitions on top of U.S. copyright law. The only thing I found was this, which does not seem to have a set of TOS. This means that only copyright law applies, and theoretically, we could use it under the Fair Use clause. Do you agree? Does that look and sound good enough? --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:33, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
I don't know much about copyright law, so I will trust your and Andy's judgments on this. If there aren't any better images, that one is what I will upload. Thanks for checking! --1990'sguy (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I'm no expert on copyright law either...I'm learning as I go. Actually though, here is one which would be legally safer to use, and doesn't have mics in the frame: [11] Maybe you were looking for something other than what WP/MW have though. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:41, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
That is the same image that I linked above -- I found it before messaging you, and I asked you if you were able to find other images because this one was uploaded only a few days ago by a new user and doesn't include licensing information. Because of that, I don't want to upload the image, at least until I'm confident it's OK to load. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:48, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
Opps, so you did. I looked at it briefly, then went on the hunt. I forgot to check back to make sure that what I found was different. They claim it is under CC, so if you take that at face value, great. However, that's a good point that it may or may not be true. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:56, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
If it's uploaded by an experienced editor with believable documentation, I trust it, but if it's a brand new user with poor evidence of proper licensing, I don't trust it. The user linked to some Hungarian website to show where he found the source (the link is a dead link) and claims it's from the website. It could be true, though I can't find any corresponding U.S. government photo. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:19, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

Good point. It looks like the file did exist there, but I can't tell anything about licensing, since I don't speak Hungarian. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:28, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

Google Translate or something could help, and I'll try to do it later when I get the time. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:57, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
Under the photo, it says this: "Viktor Orban and Donald Trump (Photo: MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes)" -- does this mean anything of note? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:06, 20 October 2019 (EDT)
I figured it was something like that. It doesn't really mean a whole lot to me, but maybe a little. They are crediting the photo to "MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes" which means that it is probably not in the Public Domain. Often, they will use copyrighted photos by permission or contract, so that is probably what is happening in this case. However, I don't know who "MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes" is, so I can't very well track it down. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:37, 20 October 2019 (EDT)
OK, thanks. I probably won't upload this image, partially because of the uncertainty over copyright. In addition to this, is this article appropriate to keep: Henry ward? --1990'sguy (talk) 08:07, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
Never, mind -- that "Henry ward" article is apparently a fake/parody article. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:59, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
Okay. "No" is generally the safe option, so if in doubt, it's a good default answer. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:25, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
Is this article appropriate to keep, or should it be deleted: Polarity technologies ltd? --1990'sguy (talk) 16:02, 29 October 2019 (EDT)
Nope. I deleted it. The language made it clear that this was an advertising attempt. If they want to make a more fair, unbiased attempt I'll consider it. That, however, was just an ad in the form of a wiki page. I do like that they used a few third party sources, but it still was too one-sided and promotional. --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:02, 29 October 2019 (EDT)
Do you think this article should be deleted, or not? Black pigeon speaks --1990'sguy (talk) 12:48, 8 November 2019 (EST)

It looks a bit like a content dump, and was clearly written by someone not familiar with wiki markup language. This makes it seem more like a ad attempt. However, "Black pigeon speaks" seems to be a legitimate entity online who may be somewhat notable. He has 500k Youtube followers, and 63.6K BitChute followers (both platforms seem to offer the same content). Of course, such numbers can be farmed to some extent. However, he does seem to be at least somewhat conservative based on my very brief research. I could go either way on this article. If we keep it, if obviously needs some clean-up. What do you think? --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:46, 9 November 2019 (EST)

It definitely needs cleanup. I'm still not convinced it's notable to keep since some YouTube personalities have several million followers. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2019 (EST)
Yeah, he doesn't seem like anyone particularly notable and differentiating. He might be doing good stuff, but I don't know if that really warrants a CP article about him. This probably stands to benefit him more that our readers. I think I'm leaning towards deletion, but I'd be okay with keeping it if others here see value in it. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:51, 10 November 2019 (EST)
I recommend deleting it. At the very least, maybe we should let Andy decide? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:49, 10 November 2019 (EST)
Alright, sure let's delete it. We could ask Andy just to make sure, but it's probably okay to just do it. --DavidB4 (TALK) 11:58, 11 November 2019 (EST)
Without getting distracted from the above article, can you tell whether this article is original or plagiarized? The Genesis observer theory --1990'sguy (talk) 14:23, 12 November 2019 (EST)

It was copied from CreationWiki [12]. That page was mostly written by one author, but some adjustments were made by two others. Plagiarism seems likely, but I will contact the user on this end. I applied for a CreationWiki account awhile back, but it seems my application was rejected or ignored, so I can't ask over there. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:31, 12 November 2019 (EST)

Note: It was mostly written over there by user "PabloCa2007." The user posting it here is "Pablocastro" --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:33, 12 November 2019 (EST)
Just based on that, it looks like the page is mostly original, but we'll still need to reach an understanding with the creator (and I saw you already reached out to him). --1990'sguy (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2019 (EST)

Thank you!

Hey David, just wanted to say thanks for the welcome and the advice on the joel gilbert article. Definitely don't wanna mess up anything so I'll go back and fix it! :) I might need a bit of help with the infobox if you wouldn't mind but I might be able to figure it out. Anyhow thank you so much! Feel absolutely free to let me know if anything needs adjustment Manny P90 (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2019 (EDT)Manny

You're welcome, and thank you for your interest in improving it! One thing still concerns me..the first paragraph doesn't seem to be original. Could you perhaps re-write that intro? As for the template, I'd be happy to try to help you, but our inforbox template is significantly different that Wikipedia's, so you can't do a a simple copy-and-paste of that. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:38, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

New WP articles

Hello DavidB4, when you get the chance, please take a look at these two articles: Malik Obama and Dreams from My Real Father. The editor who created them stated that they were copied from Wikipedia articles that have been deleted (thus, they may not be original). I already wrote a very short message to the user. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Hi 1990'sguy, I noticed those come in, but didn't have the time to investigate then. At the very least, they need cleanup, but I also am suspicious of their originality. There are similarities between Malik Obama and this, and Dreams from My Real Father looks like a slight rewrite of this, although it could be the other way around. They at least need some cleanup; I'm leaning towards deletion, but this user has responded in the past, so it could be this is slightly more than just a dump and run maneuver. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:11, 4 October 2019 (EDT)
Would you please also take a look at this article: Nicholas J Fuentes? It might not be appropriate to keep on CP. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:53, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
I don't see any evidence of plagiarism, and it isn't a wreck like some text dumps, so that's a good start. My main concern is with the matter of notability. It seems that he is somewhat publicly recognized, although he doesn't seem to have a great deal of publicity. He also seems to be in this to make a profit--that's not inherently bad (many talk shows and publications are for-profit endeavors, which I don't mind), but it is worth noting that by giving him some much-needed publicity, we may be helping out his profit margin. Based on these factors, I might lean towards deletion. However, while I don't want RW to decide what we do and do not have, I noticed that they do have an article about this guy (although I didn't bother to read their pig slop). What do you think? --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:01, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
I made some copyedits, though the title might need to be moved. We could keep it, though the wording might need to be changed to make it sound less promotional. Also, I'm having trouble determining whether he's a consistent conservative or an "alt-right" person, though it looks like the former is more accurate. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:58, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
I don't know much about him, and all I can find seems to be name-calling, ad hominem attacks, etc. which are loaded with bias. I will somewhat take back what I said about not much publicity...after digging a bit more, I have found a quantity of the standard liberal attack pieces against him, saying things like "Well, he said on Thursday that he is not a white supremacist and opposes violence, but actually the opposite is true, and random democrat xyz says that he is trying to play the victim here, and not simply being attacked for his views."
It seems he had to leave his college because of these attacks, death threats, etc. after making his political views known. 'm starting to think maybe we should keep an article about him. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:41, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
That sounds good to me, so I'll accept keeping the article, though it may need further improvements. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:11, 6 October 2019 (EDT)

The Malik Obama and Dreams from My Real Father still haven't been edited by the article creator. What should we do with them? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:15, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

I've deleted them. If the author disagrees, they can be restored by an admin. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:18, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

Cult leader Adnan Oktar

Hi. Could you please upload a picture of Adnan Oktar's old and new look? I found this picture: [13]. Search results: [14]. If you want, you can upload an old and a new photo of him side by side. Thanks. - Andrewlee (talk) 10:42, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

Conservapedia needs to follow copyright laws. Please upload this picture:
I would do it myself, but I have a very full schedule today.Wikignome72 (talk) 10:58, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
I'll certainly upload this one, Wikignome72. See: File:Adnan oktar 01.jpg.
Andrewlee, If we can find a copy of the other which is under a Creative Commons license, or is in the public domain, that would be good. We might be able to use a copyrighted one under the Fair use clause, but that is more difficult.
My favorite places to search for images with relaxed licensing are:

but there any many others also, such as these:

Let me know if you have any luck. Thanks!

Requesting help with article about our ministry.

David, can you help me? I'm trying to edit a page on my organization, Global Media Outreach, which seems to be frequently vandalized. We didn't even add the page on us; just came across it while researching something. When I first found it it was completely negative. Some organization called Billion Bibles seems to have a criticism with us, so I edited our page and just put forth the gospel as we share it on the page so that people can make their own judgment about whether or not we have some kind of deficient version of it (we don't). Last month, the criticism reappeared as a link to the BillionBIbles organization again. They seem desperate to both link to themselves from anyone searching Conservapedia for info about us and to smear us. I don't want to publicly criticize them, just to remove their unjustified criticism of us. Thanks for any help or advice you can provide! Abranch (talk) 13:55, 16 October 2019 (EDT)abranch

I've heard of BillionBibles before, but know almost nothing about them. However, the article on Global Media Outreach seems to only briefly mention some opposition. The linked BillionBibles page criticizes Global Media Outreach for teaching the "four spiritual laws" which they believe tends towards the "Health, Wealth, and Prosperity Gospel" and leaves out any mention of God's call (and predestination, as some believe) as well as a couple other points. [15]. These seem like they might be valid criticisms to at least note. Our article as it was simply stated that there was some opposition to Global Media Outreach, without subjectively declaring it to be wrong, so it seems that we were already leaving it up to the reader to decide what to think. I'm also somewhat confused as to why you removed the word "some," making the page basically say that all Christians say that your organization is wrong. I've fine with some rewording or explanation, but I think it is worth keeping some mention of doctrinal disagreements. Conservapedia is read and edited by people of many different beliefs, so we generally try to present both view points and let the reader decide. It sounds like this is what you wanted, and it seems to me, that is what we are doing. Furthermore, the Internet_evangelism page (to which you deleted the link) speaks favorably of Global Media Outreach. I have reverted both of these changes, since they seem to make the problem you are speaking about worse.
Is there something I'm missing here? If the article is being unfair to Global Media Outreach, then I would be fine with trying to balance it out--I just don't see any specific glaring issues. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:04, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

David, regarding your note on the 16th—you were right. There were edits on the article mentioning us that were telescoping somehow and when I tried to edit one it wouldn't let me because it affected another. I didn't understand and was out of time. So—user error; I'm afraid I'm not a regular contributor, I just try to watch out for slander on us, and this site is about the only example of it I have found on the web. Sometimes slander shows up in overt ways, sometimes subtle. Just look at Wikipedia's article on the Apostle Paul, which includes "Among the critics of Paul the Apostle was Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, who wrote that Paul was the 'first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.' Christian anarchists Leo Tolstoy and Ammon Hennacy take a similar view." That's bad enough, because it makes the reader feel as if the page ahs an agenda; but imagine if it were the first point in the entry, as "Criticism of Global Media Outreach" is for us.

Okay, some little mix-ups are fine. However, I'm not quite sure what you are looking to have changed. I have slightly reworded and expanded the "criticisms" section..what do you think? I don't think we should remove this section altogether, but some changes can be made. In any case, it doesn't really sound like slander to me, as it currently stands. There are many different denominations and doctrines within the christian faith, so it is pretty normal for some to criticize others on certain controversial issues. Thanks for your input! --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:21, 28 October 2019 (EDT)

Why was my edit reverted? I know I messed up the citation link thing but I'm new to this. I just think harm reduction is very important. If, for some reason, someone comes here for info on LSD they should know about something that is pretty common and could ruin their experience. Yaoi (talk) 08:52, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

You deleted a significant amount of content (over 2KB) with that edit. See:
Your addition was probably fine, but make sure not to remove everything else. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:01, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

Thomas Heyward

These should probably be merged. Thomas Heyward Jr. Thomas Heyward. Progressingamerica (talk) 21:53, 1 November 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, it should be. Good catch. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:16, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
I've merged them. The result is here: Thomas Heyward Jr. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:26, 1 November 2019 (EDT)

Delete and move

Could you delete Georges Sorel, and move George Sorel in its place? Progressingamerica (talk) 10:30, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

I did it. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:08, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:57, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
You're welcome! Just a note, you will have to do Teakin88's requests at Conservapedia:Image upload requests, since they are not WP Commons images. Otherwise, I would have tried to upload them if I get time (which I don't have a lot of, like you I presume). --1990'sguy (talk) 14:18, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
Thanks, yes CP:IUR is a disaster right now. I may never catch up. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:21, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
If I get some extra time, I will upload some of the easier requests. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:24, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! I wouldn't mind, but those are not the big problem, so you don't need to. It's nice when we get some that are PD/CC so I can just breeze through them! It's the copyrighted ones that are a problem. I do my best, but it takes a lot of time and I really am not professionally qualified to make this kind of determination. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:36, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
I'm considering giving PD/CC requests priority over copyrighted images. People are submitting requests for images that are obviously okay to use, but then waiting months to get them uploaded. It's not really fair to them. I might abandon the first-come, first-served system. I don't know if this would be fair either, though. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:39, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
It seems like a good idea to me. How many users are requesting PD/CC images versus more complicated requests? If more are requesting the former, but IUR is being backlogged by one or two other editors, prioritizing seems like a good idea to me. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
Also, it might be a good idea to archive the completed request sections on IUR. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:02, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

At present, we have 1 person regularly asking for PD/CC and two people asking for copyrighted ones. That means this change would mostly benefite that one person. However, in the past (and once in a while) we've have a number of other users (maybe about 4) asking for PD/CC images as well. Not recently, though. Besides, though who make good requests tend to get upload rights of their own. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:45, 2 November 2019 (EDT)


Could you make Samuel Huntington into a disambiguation page for Samuel P. Huntington and Samuel Huntington (signer)? Progressingamerica (talk) 12:51, 24 November 2019 (EST)

Good idea--thanks for pointing that out! Done as requested. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:21, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Thank you for doing these BTW. Progressingamerica (talk) 20:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)

Merge request

Cato's Letters and Cato Letters. The correct term/name is "Cato's Letters",(And Cato's Letters appears to me to be the better written) but there is some issue with the page views and history/revisions of the two articles that needs consideration. Progressingamerica (talk) 22:45, 2 December 2019 (EST)

Also, could you switch these? The 'The' is a part of the actual title. American Crisis, The American Crisis Progressingamerica (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2019 (EST)
Of course! Done as requested: The American Crisis --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:04, 3 December 2019 (EST)
Cato's Letters? Progressingamerica (talk) 20:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)
Sorry, now I'm doing it. I guess I just read the last post, and assumed the rest was prior conversation. It wouldn't have been that hard to read it...
Anyway, I've merged the two to Cato's Letters --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:09, 4 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks! Progressingamerica (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2019 (EST)

Permission to use images for conservapedia via e-mail permission from image owner

Hi DavidB4, I've worked to create an eighth page here on conservapedia. On my eighth page there are 4-5 sections that need the emphasis of photo info-boxes to elaborate visually to the article from a scientific and creative stance. Images have been granted permission to me for use on conservapedia with no inhibited copyright laws per the image creators via e-mail. These e-mails were the only convenient way to gain permission because of the image owners location and time zone in Finland and in Europe with myself being in North America Pacific time. 1990'sguy suggested for me to contact you here about you being an editor who can upload with these e-mail permissions or if I can forward permissions to you, and that you might be willing to have to contact via email with me on this page request for these uploads? Thank you. (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2019 (EST)

Hi Technotronical! Sure, I can help you with that. That's great that you already got permission! Would you please forward the email chain where they gave permission to me ( Then, I'll just need to know exactly which images it is you want uploaded (if you have the URLs to these images, that would be best), and I should be able to upload them for you. --DavidB4 (TALK) 12:27, 11 December 2019 (EST)
Hi DavidB4, Thank you very much for your help with these. I've sent you the 2 e-mails to ( Please let me know if you need anything else or what I can do to help. Here's the page --Technotronical (talk) 20:51, 19 December 2019 (EST)
Hi Technotronical, I sent you a couple emails in reply on December 12. Did you get those? --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:07, 19 December 2019 (EST)
Hi DavidB4, I just searched through my e-mail under the address and for that date 12/12... and do not see anything for an e-mail response. Could you please re-send or respond here? --Technotronical (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2019 (EST)
Odd. I just resent them. You should have received a total of 3 messages from me today. Maybe they are getting caught in your spam trap? --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:12, 19 December 2019 (EST)
Yes, very unusual. Thanks for re-sending. I still don't have them and looked in the SPAM quarantine folder. Building the anticipation. Can you please resend to another e-mail address? ( --Technotronical (talk) 23:44, 19 December 2019 (EST)

Done. If that doesn't work, I'll just post an abbreviated version here. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:28, 21 December 2019 (EST)
Thank you so much for hanging in here with me. I did get the e-mail at my yahoo inbox. I just replied back. Merry Christmas!!! --Technotronical (talk) 23:32, 24 December 2019 (EST)
Slightly off topic, What was the reason that Minuteman blocked Technotronical? I honestly don't know if there's a back story. Just asking. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2019 (EST)
I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I'm pretty sure the block has nothing to do with Technotronical or his edits -- the bot blocks users based on whatever criteria is programmed into it, and that means that sometimes, innocent editors are blocked. It's happened before. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:07, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Technotronical: I got your email and will reply soon. I have been very busy lately. Also, sorry about Minuteman blocking you without a good explanation.
Progressingamerica/Technotronical: Minuteman blocked Technotronical because it detected numerous questionable words and phrases being posted on Red Hair, Blockbuster Video, and Let's Make a Deal. These were mostly sexual in nature. I am willing to provide details which are not appropriate for polite company, but not on an open talk page. There were also evidences of possible plagiarism going on with Red Hair, so Minuteman didn't like that either. I have set Minuteman to "Trust" Technotronical, so it will be much less likely to issue blocks against this user in the future.
Technotronical: I am seeing some material in Red Hair which seems to have been copied in. I see duplicate content on pages like:

Except for short, clearly labeled quotes, you should never use the exact words of other people. Additionally, you should always cite your sources, for any facts or ideas retrieved from other places.
1990'sguy: Thanks for the quick response! Again, I've been quite busy the last few weeks. In this case it was a large number of slightly questionable things which triggered Minuteman initially. After blocking a user once, it is more likely to do it again. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:32, 28 December 2019 (EST)

Delete request

The misspelling "seige" should not appear in the search bar when typed in. Unless, of course, it is for someone's last name and is then the correct spelling. Seigenthaler

Progressingamerica (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2019 (EST)

Good catch! I've deleted them. I also created a redirect from Siege of Troy. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:18, 12 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks! Here's another one for delete and move. Chisholm v. Georgia, Chisolm v. Georgia. The misspelled one should probably be kept for content, and the one I created deleted; then move to the correct spelling. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:12, 27 December 2019 (EST)
Done! --1990'sguy (talk) 09:42, 28 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks 1990'sguy! I've also deleted the Chisolm v. Georgia redirect, since I don't think that will be beneficial to keep. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:33, 28 December 2019 (EST)

Giggle Corp

Please see these pages: User talk:AmericanIronMan, User talk:AmericanTonyStark, Giggle, Corp. (red link, see deletion history), and Giggle, Inc. (red link, see deletion history) You might have a better idea than me on whether this article is notable enough to have an article on. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:08, 2 January 2020 (EST)

"Giggle Corp" appears to be a small business (not sure if it's registered as such), and has been online for less than two months. It's definitely not a big player right now, but it wants to be. The website still seems a bit rough around the edges. Before I make a solid decision, I'm hoping that I can engage this user in conversation. I have a few questions and suggestions for them. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:07, 2 January 2020 (EST)
Sounds good. I wish Conservative didn't block the first account without engaging with him. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:10, 2 January 2020 (EST)
Well, he came back so we still can talk. It looks like he's using a proxy connection, which is technically against the rules...then again having a second account is, too. I think he stands to gain a lot more than we do, since we will quite possibly put his service on the map. That means this subject probably falls into the "not sufficiently notable" category. Still, I'm hoping to talk with him. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:36, 2 January 2020 (EST)
Thank you sir, for your kind inquiry. I am not trying to necessarily take on Google. Google has its own legitimate following. I am trying to simply offer an alternative to major companies for individuals who would like to maintain a degree of privacy. In a world that is changing so fast, I believe that one of the things that helps us preserve our freedom is our privacy. Privacy should be an option for those who would like to maintain it. It is encouraging to me that there are outlets such as "Conservapedia" that share some of these same ideals. You are correct, our website is new, however it has been in development for three years now. The first very ugly version of it was hosted on a different domain but with the same concept being the respect of privacy of user information. As far as the question you thought might be "stupid", there are no stupid questions and I am grateful for the opportunity to clear up any confusion as to any connection to that Facebook account. Let me make it clear that we are not associated with that user or his affiliates. And as to feedback regarding the website, any input you have we would greatly appreciate, as we consider your time extremely valuable. Thank you for your consideration and your time. --AmericanTonyStark (TALK) 20:24, 3 January 2020 (EST)

And thank you for the information! I think such alternatives are valuable. In hopes it will help you out, here is some (hopefully) constructive criticism:

It's great that you are interested in protecting your users' privacy. However, I did find a few things that gave me pause. I suspect your Terms of Service and Privacy Policy might have been made from a template, so perhaps it was not you saying these things.

  1. Your Privacy policy says that you "may" use web beacons. Why? This is a tracking technology, which seems to go against user privacy.
  2. Your Privacy policy says that you ignore "Do-not-track" requests. Admittedly, most websites do. You have the standard statement that there is no established industry standard, so you choose to ignore the users' requests for privacy altogether. It's a minor concern in my mind, but it doesn't sound very privacy-friendly. You could at least make sure to set a high privacy standard for all uses, then note in your privacy policy that all users are given the same high standard of privacy, whether or not they request it.
  3. Your Privacy policy says that you use cookies, but again, most people do. My question (which I did not investigate) is whether or not you use them for any purposes other than logging in users. Cookies must be used if users are going to log in to accounts. However, my concern would be whether or not they are used for any other purpose. Ideally, I would like to see cookies only added to client's devices when they log in. If they don't log in, don't issue a cookie. This might be hard to make happen though--I know web design is complex.
  4. Your site uses Google Tag manger. If I'm trying to stay away from companies abusing my data, using an alternative site which in turn uses Google services doesn't seem like it might be a good choice.

Other issues I noticed:

  • The top-left logo has a background color which does not match the banner it is on. Perhaps you could use an image without a background. That shouldn't be too difficult, but even easier than that would be to at least change the image's background color to match the banner's color, so people don't notice.
  • When the "clustered search" option is used, it brings up a list of "F-Clusters." This whole interface seemed a little confusing to me. What is it? How does it work? What does it do? Perhaps a little explanation of some sort, even just in the form of a "Help" link on that search result page might be helpful.
  • When looking at your Privacy Policy, there are links at the top of the page to jump to specific section. That is a common thing to have, and I like it. However, when I click on one of those, it breaks out of your site's frame and loads this webpage instead:

And a couple more comments:

  • You are using CloudFlare, which is in itself fine. They seem to offer good services. However, you might want to be aware that they have "de-platformed" numerous conservative services and websites. If they don't like you for political reasons, they will throw you out. You probably won't have issues of this sort, but you might just want to keep that in mind.
  • Lastly, your Terms of Service state that anyone other than government agencies and a couple other groups of people must get written approval from you in order to link to your website. Firstly, I don't see how you expect to enforce that. Secondly, why? If low-ranked websites link to you, are are not likely to be benefited in terms of your own page rank. However, this is how the web works...if you want to get noticed, you need people, anywhere and everywhere, to link to your site. It seems odd to me, therefore, that you are trying to prohibit such linking (not that anyone is actually probably going to read that anyway).

I hope your service can succeed! --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)

Thank you for your timely and helpful response. I have to say, you are obviously knowledgeable and thorough, and your input is greatly appreciated. So, Thank You again. I have reviewed your comments regarding the company’s privacy policy (and terms and conditions) and agree with you on every point. I have gone through your list point by point though I still have a few changes to make. I have revised the privacy policy according to the points you recommended. I made the policy using a template and the assistance of, and there was a point in which I was prompted to answer the question, “Do you want to allow people to link to your website?” At that time, I thought there would be more protection for the site if people did not link to it. As time went on and development of the site continued, I came to the same conclusion as you did, that I would like people to link to the site. My mistake was that I had not returned to my Terms and Conditions to change this. If it wasn’t for you it would have been some time before I would have gone back and reviewed it. --AmericanTonyStark (TALK) 18:21, 7 January 2020 (EST)
Okay, that sounds good--thanks! When choosing a service to use, I typically dig into the service's info some before making a decision. I know that tends to be unusual--most people don't bother to read the TOS, Privacy Policy, and other info. So, it probably isn't a big deal to have a few minor issues of these sorts, as long as you are disclosing everything you need to. Building a web service like this is a pretty big undertaking, so it's easy for a few unimportant things to slip through the cracks.
I figured that you probably were using a template or builder for the TOS and PP. It makes sense to do. If you have the time and interest, you could also go so far as to provide short, standard English section summaries. So for example, the section on cookies could perhaps be summarized "We use cookies to keep you logged in. We do not use them to monitor your behavior." I've seen this in some such legal disclosures, so that the full legal jargon is still there, but a simple explanation is also provided. Again though, not many people read those, so it may not be worth your time at this point.
In regard to your initial question (whether you can create a page on Conservapedia about your service), it's not me intent to string you along and waste your time. To be clear, I don't think that at this time your service is "notable" enough to warrant this. An encyclopedia is intended to be a collection of public knowledge, not an index of things people probably know nothing about. However, I think with some time and effort, it can soon qualify.
There is one other thing I'd like to tell you, but not on a public page such as this. You don't at all need to, but would you be willing and able to email me at ? (This way, you don't need to publicly post your address.) If you prefer not to, that's fine.
Thanks for your time! --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:20, 8 January 2020 (EST)

Category clean-up

Best of luck with firearms TAR pit. JohnZ (talk) 22:01, 4 January 2020 (EST)

I haven't looked into it very closely, but some of those sub-categories might be appropriate to delete outright. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:16, 4 January 2020 (EST)
Gee thanks, JohnZ. 1900'sguy, they might be. I haven't delved too far into it yet, but I suspect so. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:33, 4 January 2020 (EST)
Rather you than me down that rabbit hole. Little help, though: you can delete the Battles (!) rifles category. I removed its only entry. JohnZ (talk) 19:41, 8 January 2020 (EST)
Rabbit hole? This is more like a mine shaft. It is huge, and it twists, turns, and goes many different directions. Oh, and there's no map. Anyway, thanks for the help. I already deleted it. I don't know why that ever existed... --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:48, 8 January 2020 (EST)
Should these categories be deleted: Category:Semi-Automatic Pistols, Category:Semi-Automatic Pistol Ammunition? Both have only one article in them. If other relevant articles can be found, fine, but if not, it isn't necessary and doesn't deserve its own category. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:58, 8 January 2020 (EST)
Same thing for Category:Semi-Automatic Firearms. Yes, I think they should probably be deleted. There are too many similar, overlapping categories with little reason for existing right now. Good catch! --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:00, 8 January 2020 (EST)

Article review

Would you please take a look at this article? Origin point -- it may need to be moved to an essay, or otherwise improved. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:44, 6 January 2020 (EST)

I'm okay with having this kind of an article in mainspace, but it should be expanded. Also, the tumbleweed needs to go. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:03, 6 January 2020 (EST)
Would you also please take a look at this article: Escape from Uncle Sam's Plantation by Ed Temple? This editor seems to have good intentions, and I lean toward accepting his articles, but they should still be fixed to follow CP guidelines. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2020 (EST)
We could make an argument against it on the basis of notability, but I'm fine with keeping this one. I see some room for improvement (as do you), but I think this is worth keeping. It lacks cohesion and basic wiki styling, but it seems to be an original, well-intentioned entry about something our readers may find interesting. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:45, 11 January 2020 (EST)
Admittedly, there might be some bias from this editor, though... --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:48, 11 January 2020 (EST)
Would you also please take a look at this article: Aditya Chattopadhyay? I apologize for always pestering you with these requests. I'm focuses on the "Donald Trump achievements" articles and have little time to deal with new pages like this because of that. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2020 (EST)
No need to apologize! I find myself on a strange schedule, which sometimes causes me to miss recent activity which I should be reviewing.
I deleted this one--it's about a collage student who does not seem particularly notable. It claimed that he was going to run for president in 2060, and included what seemed to be an affiliate/referral link to a "campaign" t-shirt he is supposedly selling. That one just smelled wrong for multiple reasons. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:40, 11 January 2020 (EST)
Thank you. Would you please look at this page, which seems to be a hybrid article/userpage: User:FreedommovementUSA? --1990'sguy (talk) 08:16, 12 January 2020 (EST)

Yeah, I was looking at that one a little bit earlier...I'm not as sure what to say about it. It's an article, which they put in userspace--that's odd. I've never heard of this group before; I suspect that it has been recently founded, but I haven't done significant research. I don't have any immediate concerns about the content, but I don't know if it is notable enough to warrant a page. Do you know anything about them? --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:03, 12 January 2020 (EST)

This is the first I've heard of them. I found their website here: [16] They don't seem like a very notable organization, though I would be OK with keeping the article as it's obviously a conservative organization. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2020 (EST)
Same. It looks like this is a self-promotion attempt, which I tend to favor less that organic writing. However, I could go either way on this. I suppose we could just leave it where it is--allow the info to be here, but barely. It might show up in web searches, but not from most internal searching. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:51, 12 January 2020 (EST)
Sounds good to me. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2020 (EST)
Ok, let's do that, at least for now. It will be interesting to see if this editor intends to do anything more than this. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:01, 12 January 2020 (EST)

New article requests

Hello DavidB4, looking through your TAR removals, I noticed that several red links to what should be obvious articles do not have an article. For example, Water cycle and Nitrogen cycle, as well as Cascade Range which I just created. If you're willing, as you do maintenance on the various articles, would you please look for red links to what a reasonable person would consider an obvious/prominent article for an encyclopedia? I'm not asking you to create them, but just to document them so that every obvious encyclopedia search has an article. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2020 (EST)

Good idea, sure I'll at least make note of them, and try to work from there. I probably can't make too many pages on such topics, but its worth paying attention to. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:12, 6 January 2020 (EST)

Image upload requests...

Hi DavidB4, can you see if you can upload any of the images I requested into files? (this section) I'm really hoping that all the permissions are met so that they can be uploaded, as many of the images are meant for contributing to the Conservapedia pages on nominees for the upcoming 2020 elections. Thanks! --Liberaltears (talk) 3:59, 27 January 2020

It looks like none of these images are being made freely available for reuse. I can try to check each one individually (a time consuming process) to see if any of them seem to allow reuse with restrictions. That will take some time though, and I'm currently busy doing that on a set of requests made prior to yours. Since some of these people are politicians, I suspect that you could find freely available images of them on places like Flickr and Wikimedia commons. If such images exist and are suitable, we really should try to use those. If you did, I could upload those quickly. Otherwise, (if no suitable copies are freely available) I can slowly work my way through this list. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:45, 27 January 2020 (EST)
If you're busy working on other matters, then don't bother individually checking to see if the images I requested allow permission for you to download into files. I'll just find other images that are under a Creative Common license. --Liberaltears (talk) 7:27, 27 January 2020
I left notes on a few which I spot-checked, so please take a look at those when you get the chance. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:50, 27 January 2020 (EST)
I saw the notes, and updated some of the requests. Regarding the requests I haven't updated yet, I'll get to those soon. Thank you, DavidB4! --Liberaltears (talk) 8:54, 27 January 2020
Okay, thank you! That would be great if you could get some CC ones. If you just can't get a particular photo any other way, then I can look at what you do have, and see if I think we can use it under Fair Use. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:08, 27 January 2020 (EST)

Cropping down some images...

For these three images (File:Kyrsten Sinema.jpg, File:Gary Peters.jpg, and File:Senator Gretchen Whitmer.jpg) that you uploaded, can you see if you can crop them down so that only the head and part of the shoulders are part of the image and that the resulting dimensions are that of a portrait, similar to how most Conservapedia images for politicians are? For the first and last one, if you crop them, the hand gesture can be cropped out. Thank you DavidB4! --Liberaltears (talk) 14:47, 26 February 2020 (EST)

File:Kyrsten Sinema 2018.jpg --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:55, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
Thank you DavidB4! --Liberaltears (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome! If you wanted to crop any of these yourself, you could email them to me or upload them to cloud storage somewhere for me to get. That might make this a little faster, and it would ensure they are being cropped correctly. Otherwise, I'll do them when I get the chance.
File:Gary Peters 2008.jpg --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:04, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
Thank you again, DavidB4! --Liberaltears (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome, and here's the last one: File:Senator Gretchen Whitmer 2011.jpg.
I just noticed that you did initially ask for it to be cropped, but I guess I missed that. My mistake! --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:37, 9 March 2020 (EDT)
Yes! Thank you DavidB4 for finishing up the requested cropping! Also, because it was about two weeks ago, I do believe that you said that you will crop down File:Pramila Jayapal.jpg, as you mentioned here. --Liberaltears (talk) 16:56, 9 March 2020 (EDT)

Question about previous image upload request for Charles A. Halleck

Hi DavidB4, I noticed that for the earlier image upload requests I added, you skipped the one for Charles A. Halleck (this one) because the "Rights and Reproductions" page stated that a reuse required expressed permission via email. However, I noticed that a similar image for Sam Rayburn from the same website ( (this one) was reused as a file on Wikipedia (here) with the licensing saying "public domain" because it is a work of the federal government. Therefore, doesn't that mean that the image request I added for Charles Halleck can be uploaded as well because it is also part of a collection of the U.S. House of Representatives just like the one for Sam Rayburn? Thanks! --Liberaltears (talk) 18:17, 6 March 2020 (EST)

That's a good question--had I seen wikipedia's page first, I probably would had assumed it was fine. However, if you look at the source page, it says that "Sam Rayburn had his portrait painted by British artist Douglas Chandor shortly after his election as Speaker." This means that the paining was ordered by Rayburn himself, not the federal government, and painted by an independent painter, not a federal employee. Unless I am missing something, this does not sound like Public Domain to me. Furthermore, the source says that in order to reuse the image, you must contact them to request permission. [17]
Images default into public domain some time after the author's death (90 years, I think) but we have not reached that yet. I would like to say we can use it, but I don't see any legal basis to do so, unless we fill out the form asking for permission (which you are welcome to do). --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:45, 7 March 2020 (EST)
Thank you for the clarification, DavidB4! --Liberaltears (talk) 18:22, 7 March 2020 (EST)

Two questions

Thank you for the notice. I had a look at some of the pages in your post and the Help:List of Templates page has already shown me that in future, I could use a template when I am adding a quote to an article. I have two questions.

1. I read Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia and on the second point on that page: I recently edited the Wikipedia article for Witching Hour and I copied the information I added there for the witching hour sub-section on Witch on this website. Are the Wikipedia administration likely to have an issue with this? 2. I wouldn't mind knowing good Christian websites to use as references for adding information to articles on Conservapedia. I know of a few such as The Christian Post, Gospel Herald, Christian Today, Christianity Today and the Creation Ministries International website. But if there is any more good websites, that would the selection of websites I source from. I'm personally trying, (if I can help it) to use Christian websites in particular because those websites seem likely to be the ones that Wikipedia will have a liberal bias against.

Thanks. --StFrancisThames (talk) 20:51, 10 March 2020 (EDT)

And thanks for joining us!
  1. In this case, you own the right to that text, so it is okay to copy it over. We prefer not to just publish duplicate content which is also on WP, but doing this occasionally, and especially in small amounts is fine. Just make sure you don't copy any edits or additions from other WP users, and it should be fine.
  2. Good question...There are many, but it depends what kind of content you are looking for. For example, and offer some great information in regard to science and history. I would be cautions of Christianity Today though, as it seems they sometimes are promoting things which don't exactly align with scripture. If you are looking for information on current events, and can be good resources. These are not purely christian sites, but they are generally favorable towards Christianity and christian values. We also have a page with a bunch more links, although its organizational style might need a little work: Conservative_links#Conservative_Organizations. Do any of these help? Is there any topic in particular you need resources on? --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:18, 10 March 2020 (EDT)
Hello again. Thank you for your help and sorry for taking my time to reply to you. After editing for a while, my current concern is perhaps not so much my ability to find sources but my ability to translate my research onto pages in quality typed English. I don't like to copy word-for-word what a source says because of copyright and any other applicable reasons but I wonder if my use of thesaurus websites is creating weird sentences. For example, I found this source to use for the Millennial page but before I clicked the "Save Page" button, I wondered if saying that Millenials were "surelier to verify claims of taught moral messages" was strange wording. As I type this, it doesn't seem so bad, but I think there might be a worse example in my editing history. I remember in English class when I was in high school, I wrote "units of motor vehicles" for creative writing and the teacher thought my language was "scientific". Do you have any thoughts about this? Thanks.--StFrancisThames (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2020 (EDT)
Hi again, that's no problem at all! That wording does sound a little odd to me, and without context, I'm not quite sure what it is trying to say. The thing that stands out to me is "surelier." The word "surely" already implies an absolute, so adding "er" to the end doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If it is already an absolute, how can it then be somehow more absolute? However, context can help with such confusion to some extent. Likewise for "units of motor vehicles," without the context, I don't really know exactly what you are trying to say. The word "Units" can be used when counting ("There are 17 units of ___"), when referring to s specific device ("This unit seems to be operating normally.") or in reference to a group ("The soldiers had a long day ahead of them so the unit went to bed early"). If you are not sure about word usage, maybe look at a dictionary, and see what t lists for the first definition. If it isn't the first or second definition, maybe try a different word. If it isn't in the dictionary you are using, also try a different word. I know it's not perfect, and it is a real hassle to do, but it might help.
Unfortunately, books and other reference materials cannot always convey cultural norms and common verbiage. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:03, 19 March 2020 (EDT)


Thank you very much for the warm welcome. I look forward to us working together to better Conservapedia. Feel free to add to any new articles that I have created. Bytemsbu (talk)

Green Name

Hello, I was recently on this page ( when I came across an entry written by you, however, your name was green compared to the red/blue of everyone else, it may just be me being curious, but why is that? --Elnencatala (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2020 (EDT)

I think you're referring to the signature. Assuming you're logged in, if you look on the top of the page, right in between the “Talk” page and “Watchlist”, there should be a “Preferences” page internally linked. In it, there is a section regarding your signature. You can edit your signature (best to use the “Treat signature as wikitext” option), so that whenever you click on the signature button, your custom signature shows up when published. Hope this helps, in case DavidB4 isn't around at the moment. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 16:54, 29 March 2020 (EDT)
Thanks Liberaltears, yes that is correct. Under "Preferences," you can enter and alternative signature with options such as "font color." That's how I did it. There is no major reason I did this--it just makes it a little easier for me to find my signatures in large talk pages. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:33, 30 March 2020 (EDT)

Hiding a revision from view...

Hi DavidB4, since you have an oversight tag, can you permanently hide one of the recent revisions on this page made by a recent vandal? I know the username was hidden from view, but the revision (which can be accessed) isn't hidden and it contains an external link to an inappropriate site. Thanks! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 16:24, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

In addition, can you also permanently and fully hide my revert of the vandalizing as well? I think it would be better to eliminate all possible publicity of the vandal. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 16:28, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
I think the vandal just made a sockpuppet. Since you have the check user tag, can you block the IP address of the vandal? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 16:32, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
I tired to oversight it, but got an error. I'm investigating. I'm also looking into the checkuser data. I probably should do another bot run to block a lot of these IPs. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:35, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
Alright, thank you for trying the best you can, DavidB4! And good thing you saw my message here due to the seriousness of the vandalism! I really hope that no one (especially not a minor) had accessed the revision... And please report the IP address of the vandal to the authorities; whoever was behind it ought to get a harsh punishment! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 16:41, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome, and thanks for your help as well!
They were attempting to anonymize themselves by hiding their IP address, but it looks like their real IP might have leaked through. I'm investigating further. It's rather humorous when that happens...people tend to use these tools without really understanding how they work, or their limitations. --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
Alright, thank you for blocking the IP address! Just wondering though, do you think you'll be able to fully hide the revisions from view on this page and this page? I know you mentioned an hour ago that there was an error in trying to oversight it. I hope I don't sound too impatient, it's just regarding the seriousness of the vandalism that's still accessible via the revisions. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 17:37, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
The tool to hide revisions is not working for me. I've contacted Andy about the probem, but for now, someone else might need to hide them. You could try asking someone like Andy or Karajou. Sorry I can't do more right now! --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:41, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
Alright, I just mentioned it on Andy's talk page here. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 17:55, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
Question: How did the vandal get an account with the User name it had? Also, I suspect the clickbait link left behind would download some nasty malware. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 18:38, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
They didn't use your username...they used "RobSmiith" (note the two I's). Also, you are probably correct about malware. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:54, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
I noticed that the revisions still aren't fully hidden from view. Does the oversight function work right now, DavidB4? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 21:23, 3 April 2020 (EDT)


Andy's looking into it? Alright, well that's great to hear, as he didn't reply here on his talk page. While I doubt that most people going on this site would file through the edit history, I'd say that it's better to hide it to ensure that nothing (accessible) on Conservapedia is linking to such inappropriate/obscene websites. Thank you DavidB4, I really appreciate your patience with this request! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 21:45, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome! It could be that he didn't reply because he didn't want that info being posted publicly. Some things are better discussed over email. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:49, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
Oh yeah, I see your point. <satire because I currently need some humor to chill out after the serious vandalism>But then again, regarding emails, that isn't 100% safe, as Russians might hack the server, making Bleach Bit a necessary measure for mass-deleting emails while simultaneously smashing cell phones with a hammar concurrent with Comey's orders in summoning the FBI to raid on your basement, and then you're in a rush ordering out-of-state Arkancides on witnesses to cover up Whitewater, the Haitian relief fund scam, Vince Foster, Seth Rich, Benghazi, etceter- oh wait, I just accidentally and irrevelantly summarized Hillary's crimes.</satire because I currently need humor to chill out after the serious vandalism> --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 22:08, 3 April 2020 (EDT)
Haha! Okay, that's a good point. I guess talk pages are a safer option. I'd rather not start down this path! --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:57, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

Question about image uploads...

Hi DavidB4, I have a question about image uploads regarding the types of images that can be uploaded. If an image is on, say, a political candidate's personal website and there's no specification that it can't be used, can it be uploaded into a file here on CP? And what about images on a political candidate's personal Facebook page? Thanks! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 11:13, 11 April 2020 (EDT)

For images from a political candidate's website, we can probably use them under the Fair Use clause, but that tends to be a grey area. This is pretty much the same for their Facebook pages, although from Facebook, it can be more difficult to provide proper attribution. Unfortunately, it seems like "Fair Use" claims fall in a grey area, and there have been lawsuits for claiming "Fair Use" when the author disagrees. We can probably use images from both of these, but it would be preferable to get alternative images with clearly open licensing when possible. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:25, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
Okay, thank you for the clarification, DavidB4! Also, just curious, did you see what I added in the CP Community Portal here? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 22:30, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome, and thanks for checking! In regard to the template issue, I did see that discussion, but have not gotten the time to trouble-shoot the issue. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:03, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
Alright, thank you DavidB4! Once again, I appreciate all the help you offer! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 14:12, 13 April 2020 (EDT)

Some questions...

Hello DavidB4, I have some questions. First, about this previous topic, does the oversight function work now? And even if it still may not work, is it possible to simply delete the log details for the revisions like Conservative and Wikignome72 have done before? Second, it's been over a month since the preview option for editing works the way it has always been prior to when it became as dysfunctional as the 112th United States Congress. Is there a specific problem regarding that that needs to be resolved, and will it be fixed anytime soon? Third, did you see this small section I added in CP:COMPORT? I'm mostly hoping for a reply from a sysop or assistant sysop just to get an idea on whether the topic is a great idea or not. Fourth, about CP settings, I noticed that in the "Preferences", a set preferred gender would be public information, although I can't figure out how the details can be accessed by anyone going on this site, and I'm kind of curious about where the information is. Fifth, about special pages, is there a source code for them likewise for normal pages? In addition, I noticed that for all CP pages whose URL that follows as "" can't normally be internally linked, although they can be internally linked on special pages. Thanks! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 22:09, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

Good questions.
  1. It does not seem to be fixed. I cannot delete log details, either...I get an error when I try. Something appears to be a little broken. You could try asking one of them to try doing it, and see if it works for them.
  2. I also am having difficulty with preview. This may be be a side effect of the poor server responsiveness we've been having lately. Andy is trying to resolve that problem. I'm hoping once that is fixed, preview will resume working reliably as well. I can't say for sure, though...I don't have access to the hosting server.
  3. I had not seen it. I posted a short reply.
  4. I don't think this info is deliberately published anywhere. However, you can reference that info with something like {{GENDER:DavidB4|male|female|unknown}} you will see: male
  5. I don't think there is page code available for these special pages. They are generated dynamically by the server. Of course, there is still HTML and CSS code, and some scripts, as with any page on the web (in most browsers, press F12 to see that). I know that's not what you are looking for, though.
  6. I've noticed that issue too, so I just make those external links. I don't know why it happens, but I don't have the ability to do troubleshooting on the server, so I just work around the problem.
Unfortunately there are some minor issues which we might just need to live with for the time being. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:48, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
Thank you very much, DavidB4! And speaking of #4, I noticed that there is no official template associated with the function, neither is there one for DEFAULTSORT. Is there a reason for such? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 01:18, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, those functions are packaged in the wiki's base software. For these, no template pages are required since the software already knows what to do with them. These are called "magic words", and there are actually quite a number of them. A current list is available here, although we are using an older version of the software, so a few of the newest "magic words" may not be supported here. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:47, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
Seems very interesting. Thank you DavidB4! --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 14:02, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome! Sorry I couldn't help more with some of those points. For reference, we are using Wikimedia version 1.24, so on that list of magic words, any item listed for versions newer than this will probably not be supported. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:31, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

Freddy Kita page, etc.

Hi DavidB4, did you see the this page and the notice I put on it? I also notified the user on their talk page here. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 22:58, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

Also, another problem. This user is edit warring on this page, adding in information that is quite unnoteworthy (Steele may currently be an anti-Trump commentator, although that is much less important than his previous conservative leadership; thus, the former RNC chairman can somewhat be compared to Barry Goldwater). The user first added info that was uncited, and after I reverted it, he then reverted that (edit warring), and in the description then only provided a source URL while falsely accusing me of being a liberal. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 01:33, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
I noticed the Freddy Kita issue, and figured I would give this editor a few days to reply. This should be dealt with, though, so I did just add a note and a deletion template. In regard to Michael Steele, I think this issue might be worth noting somewhere in the article, perhaps under the "Opposition to Donald Trump" section. While it is only a small exchange of words, it does demonstrate his opposition to Trump and Trump's supporters, and his "establishment" mindset. McConnell did make a good point...historically, past presidents have not criticized their successors in public, out of respect for the office and their colleagues. That is, until Trump came along. Now for some reason it is perfectly acceptable for them to go around speaking ill of a successor. Obama is once again breaking that unwritten rule with a vengeance. When McConnell called him out for it, Steele attacked him. This means that Steele is so hateful towards Trump that he supports a past president attacking a sitting president, in contrary with standard professional behavoir. Considering the fact that even McConnell isn't always as conservative as we would like (although he has been a good supporter of Trump), this is an interesting exchange.
NoMoreFakeNews should have included this reference initially though, and edit warring with you about it is not okay. --DavidB4 (TALK) 11:49, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see what you mean. I initially asserted that the information wasn't noteworthy largely because Steele's current influence as a Never Trumper doesn't mean very much compared to him previously being a conservative leader of the Republican party. I also noticed in the page history here that despite Steele having been anti-Trump for about four years now, no other CP editors really bothered to mention much about it, not even 1990'sguy. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 12:19, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, in the grand political landscape, it is rather insignificant. I just think it might be worth noting that fact about Steele himself, as a reference of character (or lack thereof). The fact no one has bothered with him lately does in itself say something... --DavidB4 (TALK) 12:40, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright, I added the detail. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 13:04, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
Looks good, thank you! I left a note for the other user, too. User talk:NoMoreFakeNews --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:18, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome DavidB4! Also, I don't know if you saw it, but there was a wave of vandalism earlier today that I had to deal with, and while Conservative did block two one vandal and remove the username of another, this presumed sockpuppet has yet to be blocked, and I created this template as well as this category out of the fact that at least two pages were being vandalized and edit warred over by idiotic trolls. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 19:56, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

Yes, I noticed some of it. I wasn't sure if Adam72 was actually trying to do something productive, or just vandalizing. It certainly wasn't a helpful edit. As for the protection template and category, I would caution not to go too far in that direction. Perhaps a few pages more should be protected, but not many. Protection can prevent vandals from attacking one specific page, but most of the time, they will just vandalize something else if they can't do that page. It doesn't stop the problem, just relocates it. Meanwhile, legitimate editors can't edit those pages either. Page protection has been a significant problem for me, since many pages have been put under infinite protection either because they were vandalized once or twice, or they just seemed like things someone didn't think would need to edited again soon. The only thing harder to get than page protection, is getting a page unprotected. I have lists of pages and files which I want to edit, but cannot, because they are locked to the full administrator level. I'm not saying that page protection doesn't have its place, just that it should be used very sparingly. I also then to think that when a page is protected in response to vandalism, it should have an expiration date. Maybe 6 months, maybe even 2 or more years, but I think the default in most cases should be that they ultimately become unlocked again. We can't protect every page that might be vandalized and still expect our content to stay up to date.
Pardon the rant...I think this can be used beneficially, but it should be done sparingly. This is in large part why I made Minuteman. It can deal with vandalism wherever it occurs, by blocking the offending user and reverting the unwanted edits. However, at Andy's request, it has been offline recently to slightly reduce server load while we sort out that problem. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:53, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

Almost four years ago, we discussed this problem. Andy, several admins, several SysOps (including myself) and several other editors all agreed that we had a problem with too many pages being locked. Andy suggested that I create a category, which we could use to tag pages which had no real need to be locked, so they could be easily identified and unlocked. I did (Category:Pages Proposed For Unlocking), and for the first few days, it worked...some pages were unlocked so they could be updated. But then, it died out and no one was unlocking pages any more. Eventually, people stopped tagging them, since it wasn't doing any good. Maybe I will try reminding people of that, but it probably won't go anywhere. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:04, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah I see. And about Adam72, I'm pretty sure the user is a sockpuppet of AdamEve, as the edits made on the same page were very similar, and the latter account vandalized other pages as well. Can you check the IP addresses of the users just to make sure? Thank you DavidB4! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 21:33, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
Oh yes, good point about Adam72. They used a different IP to evade the block, but obviously it is the same person. I should have looked more closely. I blocked them. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:40, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright, thank you DavidB4! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 21:43, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome, and thanks for pointing it out! By the way, it looks like I made a special request for a few of those pages to be unlocked, which Andy did. Then Karajou unlocked some as well. Perhaps I spoke too soon...I was pleasantly surprised to find that several have been taken care of. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:50, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

Can't figure out how to fix Template:Infobox officeholder/Personal data...

Hi DavidB4, can you help me fix Template:Infobox officeholder/Personal data, specifically with the "Military Service" section? The only possible way that I could get an idea of how to improve it was to examine the source code of this template, and the only way to check whether the modified version works or not was to open a new tab, open up CP, and enter in a page where the template is being transcluded into in addition to the "Military Section" section (I checked via the Don Bolduc page). A while ago, I asked TerryH on his talk page here, but he never responded. Only very recently did I just figure out the exact problem only with what was wrong, and I asked Andy (here) to do a very specific edit on the then-protected template, but Andy just unprotected it for me to to edit, and I got somewhat frustrated yesterday trying to get everything to work well. The colored cell surrounding the text would initially work, but wouldn't extend all the way across to the right. I then fixed that, but couldn't remove the extraneous pipe character in front of "Military service". Right now, I just want to the increase the font size for "Military Service" without also effective the font size for the details below and remove the unnecessary pipe. Do you think you can help me with that? The revision history here might help give an idea as to what I was intending to do but made mistakes on. Once again, I really appreciate all the help you can offer, and thank you DavidB4! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 12:24, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

Hmm... That is a problem. I'm really not very good at editing templates. I wonder if the problem might have something to do with the {{!-}} on line 177. I think it is supposed to be {{!}}-, but making that change did not resolve this issue. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. Well, thank you for trying to improvise it. I'll probably further examine the template source codes later. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 14:21, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
I will try to spend more time on it later as well. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:44, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Great news! Taking a cue from this template's source code, it turned out that the extraneous pipe resulted from {{!}}, so I removed it and added <br/>. So now I'm just hoping to increase the text size only for “Military Service”, and potentially lighten the cell color if need be to match with the officeholder cell color for the overall template. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 22:57, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Nice job! I've slightly increased the text size, also. I don't know how big you are thinking, though. Also, I'm not sure what color it is you are trying to match with. I don't see a color on the base template, so I didn't make any changes to that yet. It should be fairly easy to do. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:54, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Thanks! And about the color matching, I was referring to the cell color surrounding the text of office titles. While there aren't any such cells for the Donald Bolduc page, there are for pages like this one, and I'll most likely try lightening the color for the cell surrounding the "Military Service" text. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 15:00, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Unfortunately, there is another problem arising. Where the "Military Service" used to only show up for infobox officeholder templates only if certain details are specified, now it always shows up for every page with the template. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 15:02, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, I noticed that issue. It looks like a conditional show statement broke. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:06, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Good thing I just fixed it. The problem arose out of the fact that !colspan="2" style="background:#E5CDFF;font-size=115%"{{!}}<big>Military Service</big> was outside the {{#ifeq:}}, so I simply put it in there. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 15:09, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah yes, there it is! Nice catch. I just matched the background color, also. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:13, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Nice! Just to note, and I should have specified, I was thinking of making the background color more of a tint of purple to match the lightness of the #E6E6FA, though I can adjust it easily. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 15:16, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Oh, Ok. Feel free to adjust it as you want. I'll try to avoid stepping on your toes. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:47, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

DavidB4-bot replacing ’ with '

Hi DavidB4, I'm just curious, why is your bot replacing ’ with ' when it comes to apostrophes? --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 21:44, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

It's a minor thing, but the ’ is an ASCII character, while the ' is unicode. When it comes to fonts, the ASCII apostrophe is sometimes displayed oddly by some software, while the unicode one typically looks as it should. For example, Apple and Microsoft differ in how this is displayed, but they agree on how the unicode one is shown. Therefore, the unicode one is generally favored. Some search engine spiders allegedly prefer unicode, thus ranking pages which use the unicode ones higher (of course, search engines try not to tell all their secrets though, so it's hard to be sure) than pages using the ASCII version. I know they look very similar, but if you look at edits when this change is made, you will see that a few bytes have been removed from the page. This is because unicode uses a smaller reference number for it than ASCII does. Here is an article which touches on the topic, in case you want a better explanation.: [18]
I don't mind if the "wrong" (ASCII) one is used, but since the bot is semi-automated anyway, I figure it might as well change them when it notices them. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:07, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah, interesting. I tend to prefer using ‘’ and “” over '' and "" respectively largely because the former apostrophe/quotation marks specify which to use for beginning and which for closing. Also, speaking of byte count, why does – and — take up three bytes each? And how come wikifying a link (adding two brackets on each side = +4) sometimes only nets +3 bytes in an edit, as seen here (page history)? --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 23:23, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, it seems to me that those should be the standard ones to use, but they are not. Unless everyone agrees to make the ASCII characters uniform between platforms, or adds more unicode characters, it looks like we are stuck with this issue.
Dashes and hyphens are each a single (Unicode, I think) digit code. Therefore, although the binary bits are different, there are the same number of them since the same character size is allocated either way.
As for the four brackets only adding 3 bytes...I don't know, that is odd. I'd never noticed that before, but now you've got me wondering. Typically one character takes up one byte, so I would generally expect a byte count like that to be due to another character (such as a space) being removed. Since that doesn't seem to be happening here, I don't think I have an explanation. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:58, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
I see. Thank you DavidB4! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 01:19, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Restricting editing to "autoconfirmed" doesn't deter vandalism

Hi again DavidB4, I just thought it's important to note that protecting pages to the "autoconfirmed" level doesn't seem to prevent vandalism at all. After, all, this page was still blanked by a troll who had created their account just the minute previous. Is there any way to raise the bar in order for users to be "autoconfirmed"? Or is there a protection level that would allow editing only if users have any additional tags such as SkipCaptcha? That way, all genuine editors who are granted a "SkipCaptcha" can edit such pages. Thanks! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 13:02, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

By the way, do you think there's any chance that Andy might grant me additional tags anytime soon? Sometimes I'm able to revert vandalism caused by idiotic trolls before any other editor gets to it, so a "Block" tag could be useful there. Also, this troll that I just mentioned hasn't been blocked yet. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 13:20, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
I just blocked them--thanks for the quick response there. I agree, the autoconfirm system isn't very effective right now. I don't know for this version specifically, but I did post on Andy's page a little while ago about how you would typically change autoconfirm protection settings. However, that is something only someone with filesystem access can do. As for blocking privileges, I would not be surprised if you got them fairly soon. However, such privileges cannot usually be requested. All I can say is keep at it, and you will probably get them eventually. There is no published criteria for promotion, so that's about the best I can say. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:41, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
I'm working on adding something to Minutman which should help with the server load concern. I'm hoping to bring it back online soon. That should help some. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:42, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. Thank you once again, DavidB4! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 13:49, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Any time! --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:17, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Anti-vandalism suggestion

Hi DavidB4, I have a suggestion that could potentially be effective in stopping vandalism. You mentioned here that one of your bots is set to inform you via email whenever the move or delete template is used on CP. Is it possible to set that bot to alert you such that an edit is made by any user who, when published that edit, had less than 100 previous edits? That way, new accounts created merely to vandalize this site can quickly be spotted. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 01:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi, so you are thinking that anytime a user with less that 100 contributions makes an edit, I get an email? If I understood you correctly, that seems like it would get very noisy. If I was was able to check on every one of those, it could help. However, that seems like something which would just become too time consuming. In any case, I'm currently having difficulty pulling a user's edit count using a bot, so I can't base anything on this statistic, right now. I am hoping to find a way to do it at some point, but haven't had the time to troubleshoot the issue. --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:43, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
Oh, I see the problem with the email load. So here's a (great) satirical joke idea: you can make an extra super-intelligent bot, connect it to your email in addition to the same bleach-bitting thing Hillary Clinton's email server uses; that way, it can automatically analyze the emails your bot sends to you and mass-delete if need be on its superintelligence and ability to analyze whether the edits should be further examined or not. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 17:54, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
Well that got complicated quickly...haha! --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:22, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

I put this message on ProgressingAmerica's talk page

I put the below message on User talk:Progressingamerica:

I am glad you liked my idea for a Conservapedia chat area.

I suggest getting together with User:DavidB4 who is technically knowlegeable/adept.

Maybe he would be willing to help you set up a Conservapedia Discord channel.

Once it is set up, I can advertise it in appropriate areas at Conservapedia (front page, relevant articles on Conservapedia at Conservapedia.

DavidB4 set up a IRC chat channel, but I don't think IRC is as good as Discord (but I could be wrong about this matter).

I would learn Discord myself, but I am pressed for time at this time due to off wiki affairs.Conservative (talk) 23:24, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

Yes, if we want such a thing, I can help. I'm just unsure as to whether it will actually be used. We could try it, but as you mentioned, the IRC channel never really got used. One other catch--Discord is liberal, like most tech companies. They may kick us out if they don't like what we have to say. We could try something from the "ant-media" like Gab Chat, but I think that only supports chromium browsers at the moment, which could be inconvenient to some people. I don't know if there are other good options. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:27, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Maybe it will be used. I don't know. I am going to be busy off wiki so I will not use it. I am just being frank about this. I don't want to give the impression that will use it. I might have used it earlier, but I am busy off wiki at this period in my life.Conservative (talk) 23:49, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Andy Schafly, might want Telegram to be used instead for a chat channel because it sounds more mainstream than Discord. But I really don't know much about Discord and Telegram as far as their pros and cons.Conservative (talk) 00:14, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
I've heard good things about Telegram, but never used it. They don't use E2E encryption by default but many platforms don't, including Discord. Since we are looking for a space to carry on public discussion, I don't think that will be a concern. --DavidB4 (TALK) 11:48, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

Questions about Conservapedia functions, etc.

Hi DavidB4, I have some questions about the Conservapedia system regarding some functions whose associated rights I don't yet have. I was reading this special page on user rights and it said that anyone with the "protect" tag can edit cascade-protected pages. So if understand correctly, does it mean, for example, if Template:A transcluded into Template:B and the latter was fully protected with the "cascading" option set on, then anyone with the "protect" tag can edit Template:A so long as it isn't fully protected itself? Also, about the oversight ability to hide usernames, is the action reversable? This page says that revisions hidden through oversighting can be restored by a developer, but does this apply to usernames, and what counts as a developer? I had asked Karajou here a month ago regarding trying to hide the vandalized revisions left by the two troll accounts who posted the links to obscene websites, but he said that he couldn't restore the usernames in any way. In addition, about "rollback", is there anything special about getting the tag? From what I know in terms of having reverted messes left by vandals, all one really needs to do is click on the most recent non-vandalized revision, click "Edit", and save the page. Thank you DavidB4!

Also, taking a cue from the way you changed the font color for your signature, I was finally able to figure out the correct formatting to change the font color on this page, and I do appreciate all the help you offered here! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:29, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi Liberaltears,
In regard to protect, that is essentially correct. Any content which is given cascading protection and then included on another page, will carry that protection with it. So if Template:A is given cascading protection, then it is included on Template:B, PageA, and PageB, all three would inherit the same protection as Template:A. This can be problematic in many cases, so it is rarely used. The "Protect" privilege enables the option to add protection to a page, but only to a level which that user can still edit it. So I have the "protect" tag, but I do not have the "Administrator" tag. I can protect pages to the next level down (Autoconfirmed) and I can edit such protection as well. However, I cannot protect a page to the Administrator level, since I do not have that tag. I also cannot edit any page protected to that level, or change that protection.
Oversight has never really worked for me. However, my understanding is that those with the "Oversight" tag can hide usernames and edits, but not restore them. I believe there is a way to restore this later, but I don't know who can do that. Perhaps only Andy is able. You might be able to learn more about it here: [19]
Rollback makes it a one-click operation to revert a series of unwanted edits to a page. It adds a link to the Recent Changes page, which can be clicked to revert all edits by that user to that page. You can do the same thing without it using the steps you described, this just makes it a little easier to do.
I'm glad to hear you were able to get that font fixed, too! --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:51, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Thank you for the explanation, DavidB4! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:56, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
By the way, I had also noticed that "Siteadmin", "check user", and "oversight" abilities aren't included in "Administrator" privileges. Is there a specific reason for that? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:59, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome! I don't really know, but my guess would be that these abilities were added on top of the base wiki capabilities. I'm pretty sure that "check user" is provided by a Wiki plugin, and I think "Siteadmin" is a custom tag. I thought oversight came with the base wiki software, but perhaps it is an addon as well. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:09, 18 June 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. And thank you once again! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:10, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

Tag-team editing

Hi, David. Thanks for this edit to Dropbox. --Ed Poor Talk 20:32, 2 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi Ed, happy to help--thanks for creating it! I was a little surprised that we didn't have articles on things like Dropbox and Google Drive. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:48, 3 July 2020 (EDT)

Christianity by Continent Category

Hi David. I created some brief articles on Christianity by Continent such as: I want to add a Category called "Christianity by Continent" uniting this with Christianity in (1) Asia (2) Europe, (3) North America (4) South America and (5) Australia

Can you please do that, or can I do it myself. I added the see also links and other things in the page itself. I wasn't sure about the category thing.

Take care and God Bless, Nishant Xavier. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:28, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

P.S. I also want to create a Christianity by category sub-category which I hope will include all countries of all continents. Andy also asked me to work on a project which I hope to begin tomorrow; and I need to at least have the basic template of this up before we can successfully begin Project 150 MN NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:30, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi Nishant, I'd be happy to help! One thing I'm not quite certain about first, though. Do you think these articles should be considered (almost entirely) christian history, or will there be a fair amount of modern info as well? I see on the Africa one, there is a sizable piece on modern Christianity, but some others seem to focus on the past. I just want to make sue before I go ahead with adding them. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:46, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi David! I plan for them to be a complete compendium of everything that pertains to Christianity on that Continent. The Africa model is more like what the others will look like when they are finished. Beginning with the history to be sure, but a lot of focus on the current Christian Demographics on that Continent. So the articles will be progressively improved going forward. Hope that clears it up. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 01:56, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Yes, that's good to know, and sounds like a good plan! I've added two categories to each, "Christianity by Continent" (which links them to "Christianity") and the continent's category. Does that look good? --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:57, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi David. It looks great thanks. I saw that Asia alone had to be added and seeing how you added to the other continents, I added the one for Asia. So it's all done now. Thanks again and hope all is well, David. God Bless. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 22:53, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Ah yes, it looks like I missed that one for some reason. Thanks! Just one other comment, category names should generally be capitalized, except for conjunctions. So, I renamed Category:Christianity by country as Category:Christianity by Country. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help! --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:54, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Thanks again David for your help. I think it's all good now. I want to create articles for Christianity in every country (and only about 3 or 4 are done so far, out of 203 - so 200 more to go!) and some other things like the historical list of Popes for whom also there are nearly 200 entries vacant right now. So that will keep me busy for some time. CP should cross 50,000 pages soon. I'll be sure to ask if anything comes up. God Bless you. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:24, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

It sounds like you have a lot to do! Okay, well thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:25, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

Question about File:Andrew Romanoff.jpg

Hi DavidB4, I noticed in this file you uploaded that the page apparently doesn't exist, with a "Create" option appearing on the top right. I'm just curious, how is that possible? Usually when a file is uploaded, the action is listed in the revision history of the page, though there apparently isn't a revision history for the file. I also noticed that on the bottom of the page, it doesn't say how many times the page was accessed. Does this has to do with the fact that the page is empty in terms of bytes? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 12:42, 17 July 2020 (EDT)

Well that's odd. Yes, I suppose it must not count as a page if there is no text. I always add text to uploads though, so I don't know how that happened. Anyway, I added basic source info--I'm glad you pointed that out! --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:00, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
Okay, thank you DavidB4! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:18, 17 July 2020 (EDT)


Hi DavidB4, there's something I ought to ask you about; is there any way for you to email BHathorn? The reason I'm asking this is because I have replied to his questions and issues but he doesn't respond back most of the time, and I have no idea if he ever sees what I say or not. After he created this page that contained invisible characters which were encoded into the URL, BHathorn created this duplicate page asking what happened. This type of problem was already discussed on CP:IUR after he had added a move request there, but I'm not sure if he saw our responses or not. If you can email him, can you please tell him that I answered his question the best I could on that duplicate page? I saw that he has made edits after my response, so I'm not sure if BHathorn may have just forgotten to check back on that. Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Thursday, 20:25, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

I'm also not sure if BHathorn may have just saw the message and didn't have anything to reply in particular. I do know that he did once reply to a message I put on his talk page here. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Thursday, 20:28, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

Hi, unfortunately I do not have an email address for BHathorn. I guess you could try posing on his talk page though, since that generates an alert. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:03, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
I've posted messages on BHathorn's talk page, but I'm really unsure if he either ignores them now or reads them but just doesn't respond. I've noticed several times that he tends to post questions and requests for actions he doesn't have permissions for (such as moving pages), but doesn't respond to the thread most of the time. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 19:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Yes, I've noticed the same. I've kind of assumed that he does see, but just doesn't reply. I'm not sure though. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:49, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
By the way, those are interesting userboxes you created. :) --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:57, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Thanks! Are you referring to the two most recent userbox templates I created regarding my irritation over the server errors/bad gateways? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Sunday, 22:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Yes, the ones about the 5xx errors. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:47, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

Question about certain files

Hi DavidB4, I have a question about certain files and their properties when used as thumbnails. So when I was adding an image for the United States Senate elections, 2020 page here for the South Dakota section, I was trying to adjust the size of File:M. Michael Rounds.gif to 200px, but noticed that the image size didn't change (see comparison between here and here). Is there a specific reason for this? Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 22:52, 7 August 2020 (EDT)

I think typically, 200px is the default display size. You can check what your account is set to use here. If your thumbnail size is set to 200 (which is most likely is) then adding the 200px variable will not change anything for you. Maybe try a larger size? --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Okay, I'll try that. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 19:49, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

Really strange occurrence

Hi DavidB4, there's something really strange that happened that I need to ask you about. For some weird reason, I'm unable to access this user subpage of mine, with a pop-up saying that "Access to this page is forbidden". I don't get it; what's going on? Is it a server/system error or did someone lock me out of accessing the page? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 21:48, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

Hmm... That's not supposed to happen. We are trying to fix the current 500 error issues, so this might be an accidental side affect of the tinkering in the background. I'll see what I can find out. I'm sure it's nothing personal, or intentional. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:57, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
I still think these 500 error issues (in addition to a "401 administrator" error that also popped up earlier this morning) may be the result of a DOS attack on this site. My thought here is that some determined trolls may be trying to attack the site to deny access to it because, to put it simply, they hate us, they hate and fear the truth and they hate and fear the messages and info we try to deliver with the site and its articles. If this weren't the case, then we wouldn't be on those trolls' radar and they wouldn't be trying to pull these stunts to keep people who want to see this site from seeing it and learning that Wikipedia and the liberal media are not what its supporters and apologists play them (or what they try to pass off as "factual" information and "news") up to be. Northwest (talk) 09:29, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
What I saw earlier this morning (around three hours ago) was more of a "400 page doesn't exist" type of error; I have no idea what happened, and I was worried out of apprehension for a while that this site may have been permanently taken down or something. What I wanted to mention here yesterday night in response to DavidB4's reply was cut short by a 500 ISE that lasted for about half an hour to forty minutes, then the entirety of the site had access restricted to certain administrators. Personally, I was worried that the reason I was blocked off from accessing my user subpage initially may have had something to do with being a bit too incessant with pleading for upload rights to Andy, or maybe it had something to do with the nasty disputes with RobSmith/VargasMilan/Shobson20, but it could've very well been hackers who are deranged commies. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 10:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
Conservative said here that he thinks the server issues could've been caused by high web traffic. I really have doubts over that, because if such high web traffic was the case, then a 500 ISE would show up, blocking people from accessing this site. Thus the server then has no viewers to handle with and the problem shouldn't take half an hour to resolve. Besides, I haven't seen page views climb exceedingly; even while I've been working really hard (as in possibly sometimes spending 90-100 minutes at a time on a computer screen) on this page with many edits, the page views hasn't jumped by more than 1,000 in the past few days. I do hope that with good efforts and more hard work, 10,000 views can be reached in the next few days for that. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 10:38, 10 August 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, the errors are site-wide. Some people have been trying to fix it, with varied success so far. The original announcement was that it was due to heavy traffic or a DDoS attack, and that probably is part of it, but my suspicion is that there is a bug somewhere in the wiki itself or its database, which is perhaps being exacerbated by high load. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:16, 11 August 2020 (EDT)

It's always up for 30 minutes, then down for 40. Shobson20 (talk) 20:46, 14 August 2020 (EDT)

At least you can access this site. The only reason I'm here is because of a web proxy (sorry about temporarily violating the guidelines), because over the last few days, a "403 - Forbidden" notice would pop up every time I try opening CP; I got so confused and puzzled over this that I created an account on RW (very hesitantly) just so I could ask RobSmith what was going on. And I still don't know the answer to the latter. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 21:47, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
Also, if there's really no other way to get on here, do you suppose it's okay to use a proxy to get on CP here for now, at least until "403 - Forbidden" notices stop popping up for me? I really have almost nothing better to do aside from CP editing. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 21:51, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
Email DavidB4 at and give him your external IP address and get him to tell the system to stop blocking it. Shobson20 (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
Can't DavidB4 just use check user to find out the IP address I normally use? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 22:50, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
LT, I can't believe that was you; I figured it to be just another of Ace's socks. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 23:35, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
Anyway I got 3 day block for talking about KKKommie-la. Anything that doesn't toe the party line is racist, misogynist, and reborn birtherism. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 23:39, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, unfortunately for now, the only way I can edit is through this proxy, which allows me to bypass the "403 - Forbidden" errors but not the "500 - Internal Server Errors"; that at least allows me to access this site. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 00:34, 15 August 2020 (EDT)
It looks like my reply was lost when this site was being upgraded to a new server. In case you didn't see my reply, I posted that I had gotten your IP, and ensured that it was unblocked. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:57, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
The problem is that I'm still unable to access CP normally because of "403 - Forbidden" pop-ups. Since you're a tech expert, do you suppose it could have something to do with something on my end, such as the IP address I normally use and the WiFi associated with it that I'm connected to? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 01:03, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

Still?? Hmmm...that shouldn't be happening. Since my last post a couple days ago, all IPs should have been unblocked. Do I assume correctly that you tried the usual process of clearing your cookies and browser cache, and connecting in with Private Browsing?
I grabbed the IP address you have been using up until August 10th. Since then, you've been connecting in from a lot of different IPs, probably from your proxy service...unfortunately, I can't tell for sure which one(s) used since then are your real IP. If clearing your browser doesn't work, could you get your external IP (using a service like this: ) and send it to me either via email, or using this form (no email address required for that)? --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:16, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

It's important to flush the entire browser cache history if errors are still occurring, or try to access from a new browser than you have not used.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:29, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
Andy, I just cleared my browser of the cache history and opened a new window, but that didn't stop the pop-up. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 01:41, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

Liberaltears, I got your message. Would it be convenient for you to try accessing CP from another internet connection using the same computer you are currently having issues from? I expect it will work to do this, but if it doesn't that might help us nail down the issue. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:18, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
I unfortunately don't have access to other internet connections at the moment. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 10:41, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
Hmm...Okay. Well I'm at a bit of a loss. Andy says all the IP blocks have been cleared, so the only reason I can think of that you would still be blocked is that somewhere, something is cached which should not be. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:38, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
Another pretty basic suggestion: did you try using a different browser altogether? --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:27, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
I just tried directly accessing CP with two other browsers, but neither have worked. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 22:33, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Interesting. Okay, I have a couple more another harebrained suggestions. If you want, first try clearing your PC's DNS cache. On Windows, you can do this by opening Command Prompt, and typing in "ipconfig /flushdns" (without the quotes) and pressing enter. If you still can't access CP after that, next try setting a custom DNS server in your operating system or browser. Since the process differs from one browser to another, it might be easiest to set it in your operating system. If this doesn't work, it's easy to undo. Here is a guide for setting it up on Windows. I would suggest using Cloudflare for this purpose ( & although there and other good options out there, like OpenDNS ( & Once set, clear your system's DNS cache again, and see if that works. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:49, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
I tried the first suggestion, but it didn't work. Regarding the second idea, it was somewhat confusing, and I'm not sure if I did it right, but it didn't work either. I'm just wondering though, why would such an error even occur in the first place? That type of problem never happened for me before the server problems that started showing up around four weeks ago. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 23:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, sorry about's not a very intuitive process. They don't expect average users to be tinkering with that.
The answer to your question is somewhat complicated, but I will do my best to explain it. When CP changed over to its new server, the website's IP address changed. So, the domain name record was updated. This means that when you try going to "," your browser retrieves the new server's IP, rather than the old one. It then connects to that IP address, and the average user is none the wiser that anything has changed. However, the domain name system is a complicated network of servers and caches, so it can take a little time for everyone to get the update. There are also safeguards in place to prevent anyone from being out of date for too long, typically. My thinking here is that perhaps your computer still has the old IP address, rather than the new one. This could happen for a few reasons, but realistically shouldn't happen for anywhere near this much time. Theoretically, your computer itself could have the old address cached. This means that it wouldn't even bother to ask anyone where to look for "," but rather just go to where it always goes (which has recently become incorrect). However, there is an expiration date attached to that DNS record, so typically within a week, your computer will decide it is time to go ask someone else if the site has moved. (We forced it to do this, by clearing your DNS cache.) It gets an update by sending a request to your local DNS server, which is typically run by your internet service provider (ISP). Your ISP then in turn looks up that information from more authoritative source of information (ultimately an internet root server, although they may be intermediary servers). So, if your computer isn't caching the old DNS record longer than it should, my thinking was that perhaps it is getting a stale record from your upstream DNS server. That is why I suggested trying a different DNS server.
Here's another idea: Try connecting to Conservapedia's IP address, rather than domain name: Your browser will give your a security warning or error message, because the HTTPS encryption isn't designed to work without a domain name. Most browsers still give you an option to continue to the site, although Chrome might not. I also would not recommend logging in to your account this way, since your credentials could be intercepted by malicious individuals online. However, there is no harm in just connecting, to see if you still get the error you have been getting. You should be getting the exact same site either way, just with the TLS encryption broken in this case. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:03, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

Oh, okay. Just wondering though, why would I get a "403 - Forbidden" pop-up that says I "don't have permission to access this resource"? I'm not sure why that specific notice appears. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 02:11, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
If you are connecting to the new CP server, well, you shouldn't be getting it. However, on the old server, some efforts were being made to block off portions of the internet as a temporary mitigation of the excessive server load. However, those blocks were reportedly only ever on the old server, so you should old be getting this error if you aren't actually getting connected to the new server. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
If that's the case, then it must be that I'm automatically connecting to the old server when trying to access CP. How long should it take at most before I connect to the new server? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 02:46, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
The current CP DNS record expires every 60 minutes. So, within one hour, you should start being directed to the new site, unless the old DNS record was different. That's why I don't see how/why this could even be happening. I have no better ideas at present, though. Did you try going here (and continuing through the encryption error page), to see if you get the same 403 error? --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:15, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
Would it be safe for me to add a security exception to access the site? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 14:20, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
It should be fine. What your browser is warning you about is that an HTTPS encrypted connection can be created, but it can't verify that the site is actually who you think it is. HTTPS only works as intended when domain names are used, so replacing the name with its IP address causes it to partially break. So, a security exception in the case will apply only to this IP address (which you can verify is correct by using nslookup on the record - type "nslookup" in command prompt to see what IP address you should be using), allowing your browser to connect with the server specified even though it cannot automatically verify it is who you think it is. The only time such a security exception will come into play again is if you again visit this IP address directly in your web browser. The only danger is that you could potentially be going to the wrong address, and end up on a malicious website instead of the one you intend to reach. It's up to you though--you don't need to do this, it just would help us make use that you are getting the 403 error from the new server, rather than the old. If you're not comfortable with it, that's fine. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:29, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
I just tried going on that site, but got the same error popping up. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 14:36, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

Hmm... Well that is very interesting... --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:30, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

There we go! It looks like Andy found the problem, which was affecting you only. Please try it again, and if that doesn't work, clear your cache and retry. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:40, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
Yep, the site functions normally again! So what had happened that halted me from getting here directly? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 18:50, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
Unexpectedly your IP address got caught mistakenly in a small list that carried over from the old system in a deny file. Even though blocks were cleared, your IP address was mistakenly still stuck there. Glad it's working now and sorry for the oversight!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 19:01, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
How did my IP address even get into that list? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 19:08, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
I know there was a bit of guesswork involved in troubleshooting things when the site broke, and part of that included trying to figure out if any particular IPs were causing problems in the backend. My guess would be that in this process, your IP was checked along with many others, including mine. It was certainly nothing personal, as they didn't even know who's IP was who's during that process. I got blocked initially as well, along with more than half of the internet. --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:43, 3 September 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Thursday, 18:07, 3 September 2020 (EDT)


Hi DavidB4, I'm just curious, do you have Minuteman actively set up on CP right now? I have noticed before that the bot would automatically block any user account that has an inappropriate username or vandalizes pages to a certain degree. There has recently been some trolls who have either created accounts under foul names or vandalized pages (particularly this idiot who isn't yet blocked while I'm typing this) that weren't blocked by Minuteman as vandals in the past have. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 19:16, 21 August 2020 (EDT)

Hi Liberaltears, Minuteman detected the site's instability a couple weeks ago, and shut down. I have been keeping it offline since then, while the site was being migrated to better hosting. Now that the site seems stable on this new server, I expect to be starting up Minuteman quite soon. I prefer not to publicly announce when it is going offline, since that would invite additional vandalism. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:00, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
Ah I see. Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday,
Too late, that "Coservapedia user get pro help/therapy" guy has been making more stupid socks. Shobson20 (talk) 01:36, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
You know, one day if a friend of mine ever invites me to a puppet show, I'd be more than happy to go unless it has to do with sockpuppets. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday,
You know... VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 05:47, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

I did nothing, and the robot Minuteman blocked me, I don't know why, it says "Temporary Minuteman block". - User:Punish China

Hi Punish China, it could've been your post here in caps lock that caused the bot to think that you may have been a troll or something.
LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 14:55, 20 September 2020 (EDT)
Hi Punish China, it seems there were a few things Minuteman didn't like. Mainly, it was your edits to "Examples of Bias in Wikipedia" which it mistakenly thought were plagiarism, and your reference to RW. There were several contributing factors it was looking at for the former, but it still shouldn't have bothered you over these two things. I've made some adjustments, so it shouldn't give you any more trouble. Sorry for the trouble! --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:12, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

Another question

Hi DavidB4, I noticed that sometimes when entering CP, a title headline would pop up on the Main Page when such normally doesn't happen. Does it have anything directly to do with the recent errors? Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 23:58, 28 September 2020 (EDT)

"title headline"? Sorry, I'm not certain what you mean. Could you clarify? --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:09, 29 September 2020 (EDT)
So on the top of almost every page, the page title is automatically displayed, though this isn't the case for the Main Page. However, I noticed on multiple occasions recently that a title appears there, though clicking on "View source" or "View history" will cause it to disappear. —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 07:39, 29 September 2020 (EDT)
Odd. I see a title on the home page, which is simply "Conservapedia".
The site header includes the <title>Conservapedia</title> tag, which sets this value. It should always show as this, unless a script on the page changes it. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:21, 29 September 2020 (EDT)
I probably should've been more specific, as I'm referring to the headline that shows up right above the contents/tools of a page, whether it's a special page, a content page, its source, history, etc. For example, when typing this response on this section, I see "Editing User talk:DavidB4 (section)". If I go to my contributions page, the headline simply says "User contributions". A headline doesn't show up for the Main Page under normal circumstances. —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 13:30, 29 September 2020 (EDT)
Oh, okay. I misunderstood, so thanks for clarifying. Since we have a problem with data queries on the site right now, my best guess would be that yes, this is probably related to that problem. I don't know for sure though. I haven't noticed it, myself. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)

Webserver allowing spam

I noticed that you are blocking lots of IPs, why? And, what is with the "Webserver allowing spam"? - User:Punish China

I believe it's because those IP addresses are being used by recent vandals, possibly to evade autoblocks. —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 19:46, 30 September 2020 (EDT)
Those IPs would never be used by legitimate editors. The ones I have been blocking lately are specifically registered to cloud service providers, which are being used to run IP masking services. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:45, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
Conservapedia's policy is that users must connect from their own IP addresses. Therefore, connecting to CP from any one of those IPs without permission from us would be a breach of that policy. However, for this purpose, I have only blocked account registration from those IPs. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:50, 1 October 2020 (EDT)

Question about cascading protection

Hi DavidB4, I'm just curious about the "cascading" option for page protections, is it possible for non-administrators with the "protect" tag like you to use it when semi-protecting pages? Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 00:18, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

Yes, it is available for any protection level. Of course, "semi-protection" seems to do nothing, but oh well. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:47, 15 October 2020 (EDT)
Okay, that's very helpful because there should then be a way to indirectly protect pages so that only anyone with the "protect" and/or "Administrator" tag can edit them; if say, Page A and Page B need to be protected as such, then Page C can be created with "<!--{{:Page A}}{{:Page B}}-->" for its content and then be protected with the cascading option turned on. In that case, at least based off the listed user rights, editing Page A and Page B would be limited to those with the "protect" or "Administrator" tag. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 08:36, 15 October 2020 (EDT)
Yes, in theory. That has sometimes been done for templates, so for example, anything with the homosexuality template gets cascading protection from that template. However, the only two things we can currently base our protection on are "autoconfimed" and "administrator" tags. Autoconfirm is unfortunately not working as intended for some reason, so realistically, the only locking option we have is restricting editing to "Administrator" tags. I wonder if it might be possible to add protection limiting editing to those with the "Edit" tag also, but I don't know if it can or would be done. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:27, 15 October 2020 (EDT)
So are you referring to pages that have Template:Homosexuality transcluded into them? From my understanding with the way cascading protection works, if the template is protected with cascading turned on, only templates/pages that transclude into the template would be affected, not pages that have Template:Homosexuality transcluded in them (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, regarding changing the number of protection levels, I think either Andy and/or the webmaster would know about it. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 13:52, 15 October 2020 (EDT)
Oh, no you're right. Yes cascading protection ensures that anything included on that page is also protected. I was getting it mixed up with something else. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:04, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

File request

Hi. Can you upload this file to the Conservapedia? It's a public domain. - Andrewlee (talk) 06:26, 17 October 2020 (EDT)

Sure, here it is: File:Emblem of Turkey.svg.png --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:28, 18 October 2020 (EDT)
Thank you so much! Can you upload those files: 1, 2? These are also public domain. - Andrewlee (talk) 12:09, 30 October 2020 (EDT)

Is there a problem? - Andrewlee (talk) 01:36, 7 November 2020 (EST)

It could be that DavidB4 is rather busy or didn't see your reply requesting those two files. I just uploaded them here and here. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 11:39, 7 November 2020 (EST)
Andrewlee, thanks for the reminder there--I apologize, but I have had very little free time lately. Thank you LT for doing that! --DavidB4 (TALK) 03:12, 9 November 2020 (EST)

Why you undoed my edit

I was redirecting the page by copy+paste, then you moved automatically without doing that. So, the pages got switched, and the new page that got switched to the old page said #REDIRECT (New page), and the edit history was moved. Thus, my edit was undoed. (I had no intention to cause trouble) Am I right? --United States (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2020 (EST)

The problem is that pages are not suposed to be moved using cut+paste. The edit history of pages must also be moved, along with the text. Otherwise, you are essentailly telling the world that you wrote the entire page, even though you didn't. I didn't think there were any subsiquent edits to the new page, so I deleted it to make room for the original, then moved that with its edit hitory to the new name. If there were subsiquent edits to the new page you created, they were unfortunately lost...I do appologize for that. I would have tried to preserve them if I had noticed. I would basically need to paste in your edits from the new page to the origianl, and include your name on the edit summary. That's that I typically do this this situation, although it's not at all ideal. Sorry for missing that! --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:42, 3 December 2020 (EST)

Request for DavidB4-bot

Hi DavidB4, if you have the time, can you see if you can have DavidB4-bot remove any zero-width spacing from CP pages that include it, particularly BHathorn's page creations? In articles like this one, this one, and this one, it causes an extraneous spacing due to it apparently being used on the top and bottom of the page, but it's invisible property makes it hard to find and remove, and this seems to be the case with dozens and dozens of pages. Thank you! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 00:06, 19 December 2020 (EST)

Interesting...I've never really dealt with ZWSP issues before. I'll see what my options for this are. --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:49, 23 December 2020 (EST)
Okay, thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 18:43, 23 December 2020 (EST)

What has happened with CreationWiki

Is there any way to contact the moderators of because it is a major source for Creation Science and it has been down for a long time. If you could contact them ask them what is happening and tell them to make the website to be back online. User:Kirikagure, 31 December 2020

I recently tried contacting them via email--it hasn't been long enough to expect a reply yet. Hopefully they are aware and working on the issue, but it has been offline for a while now. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:10, 1 January 2021 (EST)

Is this appropriate?


I don't really know how to put this diplomatically, but here's my best shot...

I have been looking through Conservapedia's content and I have noticed that the vast majority of it is defending and promoting the ideology of conservatism, however, it seems to lack a lot of non-politics/conservative related content on things like aircraft, history (non-US history), geography etc. I would be happy to write these types of articles for Conservapedia, however, I am worried about them not falling into the remit of Conservapedia, could you please confirm this? Don't worry, I won't be offended if you say no...

Thanks in advance! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elnencatala (talk)

Hi Elnencatala, certainly feel free to write on non-political topics! I agree, the current political issues are generally well-covered, but non-political topics can sometimes be a little lacking. Of course, try to focus on topics of public interest. The areas you mentioned sound great! In fact, history was one of the topics which was initially focused on when Conservapedia was founded (although there's more to be done). If there is a reasonable expectation of some of our readers wanting information on that topic (and keep in mind, some of our readers are homeschoolers), then by all means, go for it!
Thanks for making sure--I look forward to seeing it! --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:05, 2 January 2021 (EST)

Source update request

Hello, could you update the source link in this image? Correct link to LOC. [20] The link to "thisnation" has expired.

painted by H. Brueckner; engd. by John C. McRae
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Progressingamerica (talk)
It looks like I can't. It is locked so that only a full admin can edit it. Probably Karajou, Conservative, or Andy could help you with that. Sorry about that! --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:40, 7 January 2021 (EST)

Thank you for the assistance

You were right. The checkbox must be checked. I'm in. Thank you. - --CharlesShirley (talk) 09:36, 15 January 2021 (EST)

I'm glad to hear that worked! Let me know if you have any other issues. --DavidB4 (TALK) 10:30, 15 January 2021 (EST)

Those people are socks I suspect.

They are all signing up the minute one of them gets blocked. --Trump (talk) 18:48, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Yeah, that's what these losers do when they're bored. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:49, 17 January 2021 (EST)
I agree. --Trump (talk) 18:51, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Who is Sievert81RW?

Is it sievert himself or another sock of the person vandalising rightist articles? --Trump (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Not sure, I haven't checked. Sievert81 did get blocked a while back, so either way, this person is unwanted. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:09, 17 January 2021 (EST)
Could be his sock account. --Yeschayi (talk) 19:12, 17 January 2021 (EST)
It's him, and I just sent his IP address on a little vacation, though I'm not sure if it will work with this bug we have going on. DMorris (talk) 21:54, 17 January 2021 (EST)
Keep an eye out for his socks, he could reset his router. --Yeschayi (talk) 21:55, 17 January 2021 (EST)
If he resets his IP address to evade a block I will send a report to his ISP for unauthorized access. Since I believe he is a teenager, it should be interesting when his parents get that nastygram from the cable company. DMorris (talk) 21:59, 17 January 2021 (EST)
They’ll probably ground him or something, keep an eye out for potential socks of sievert though, --Yeschayi (talk) 22:04, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Hi there.

Later, i'm going to re write more of the Windows 95 article. --Yeschayi (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2021 (EST)

Ok, sounds good. Thanks! I didn't mean to pounce on you, but just wanted to head off any future issues by checking now. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:48, 18 January 2021 (EST)

Conservapedia priorities

Please see Conservapedia:Project Priorities and update, protect, etc. as, of course, you see fit.--Amorrow (talk) 23:47, 19 January 2021 (EST)

Please undelete Gypsy Taub

Please undelete Gypsy Taub. Karajou must not have been feeling well when he deleted it a few days ago.--Amorrow (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2021 (EST)

You'll need to speak with Karajou about that...I don't have the authority to override his decisions. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:16, 22 January 2021 (EST)
(Offensive comment retracted. I apologize. I was wrong.).--Amorrow (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2021 (EST)
CP does have a No Personal Attacks policy similar to WP's, so you need to mind your Ps and Qs when trash talking another editor. RobSFree Kyle! 23:18, 22 January 2021 (EST)
Any licensed psychiatrist would agree with my assessment of the situation. I have a psychiatric diagnosis of schitzoaffective disorder and I faithfully take my meds. I am as right as rain. Karajou probably thinks that there is some oh-so-terrible stigma with getting the help of a licensed proffessional. He may have served his country but he has some growing up to do.--Amorrow (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2021 (EST)
User:Amorrow, your insulting comment about another editor is false and offensive. Please retract it and apologize immediately. More generally, we're building an encyclopedia here and non-encyclopedia content is not allowed. Thank you.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:29, 22 January 2021 (EST)
Andy, my dear man: please review Right to Privacy#Privacy is obsolete and get up to speed about the online encyclopedia of the coming decade. Please, please face facts: EVERYTHING is going online and going public. People will no longer keep paper records of any sort except for official documents. Even those will be copied online for the world to see. Soon children will ask "How could you old fogies ever survive without EVERYTHING being online?" Please also carefully review Conservapedia:Project Growth. This project is not living in the encyclopedias of the 1950s but the 1850s. My goodness: you are a Harvard man. Hide bound in tradition yes but you are a leader. You have no excuse for not keeping up with the fast crowd. The leading bleeding edge!--Amorrow (talk) 23:44, 22 January 2021 (EST)

Uncategorized files

I fixed up Uncategorized files so that the links work again. I would be eager to work on that project if I could get some teamwork to happen.--Amorrow (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2021 (EST)

David, we're trying to categorize all images in Category:Images. I thought there were 25,000, but Amorrw says 2,500. I don't know which is correct. But we need a bot to fix this. RobSFree Kyle! 22:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)
I might be able to have a bot do it, but these images are admin locked, so I would need Admin-level protect/unprotect in order to do it. This is why I gave up on the project years ago, because I simply couldn't. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:58, 22 January 2021 (EST)

A quick task for you

Please see User talk:Amorrow#Images.--Amorrow (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2021 (EST)


We would appreciate your input at Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Proposal. Thanks. RobSFree Kyle! 19:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)


Hello David. I would like to get your input at a debate page I set up Debate:Should the United States attack Pakistan?. Thanks.Bytemsbu (talk) 21:09, 1 February 2021 (EST)
I haven't really been paying enough attention to the geopolitical landscape over there lately, to form an educated opinion. If I get some time, I'll try to take a look. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)


Please delete my account and user page. Thank you. RobSFree Kyle! 23:32, 3 February 2021 (EST)

No problem. Karajou (talk) 00:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)
Bye Rob. Best of luck in your future endeavors! --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:29, 4 February 2021 (EST)

TY note

Hi DavidB4, Thank you for your welcome message. Ergo sum

We're glad to have you! Let me know if you need anything! --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:00, 5 March 2021 (EST)

About: Article Battle of Wilson’s Wharf

Should I add content to it, since it’s requested for deletion for no content should add some? --Builder (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2021 (EST)

Please do! It was tagged only because there was no actual content on that page. Feel free to add some text, and remove the deletion tag. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:01, 5 March 2021 (EST)

This user

I believe the evidence supports this user as being a mentally handicapped adult and not part of any wider troll network. RobSFree Kyle! 23:14, 2 April 2021 (EDT)

That may well be, but they were still trolling. The edit pattern ranked a low familiarity score on Minuteman, with only one other recent pattern match. Whatever. Whether in-network or freelance, they're still feeding the it's not all for nothing. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:33, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

Make Sure

@DavidB4 Can you please make sure that Minuteman bot doesn't block me for a third time. I get the first block was for reviewing my account but I got a second block. - ChadUser

Since Karajou has backed you up, you shouldn't have any more issues. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:03, 10 April 2021 (EDT)

Image help

@DavidB4 Since only admins can add images, can you please add images for these articles? These are ones, I either created or reworked. Joachim von Ribbentrop Alfred Rosenberg Julius Streicher Mary Miller Tom Rice Cynthia Lummis Odilo Globocnik

You should already get Ribbentrop's image copied onto here from the link on this page.

And here are the sources for the images for the rest: Streicher:,_Julius_Streicher.jpg







Check It Out

I made a review of the new members of the 117th congress. Essay:117th US House New Members Review. Let me know what you think of the page and the concept. ChadUser (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

Should I use Officeholder or Dictator for Abdul Karim Qassem?

Just asking. --Yeschayi ~ Talk! (talk) 13:15, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

Good question. I don't know much about him, so I don't know if I'm really qualified to answer. From the small amount of mainsteam information I've seen about him, it sounds like "Officeholder" might be more accurate, but mainstream sources notoriously like to slant their writings, so I can't say for sure. A quick web search tells me that he supposedly sat on a three-man "Revolutionary Council" which would imply he wasn't a dictator, but his actions might say otherwise. I also see a reference to him "being elected" prime minister. I don't know if that was a fair election, or a typical banana-republic "election" when he was guaranteed to "win". I would need to do a lot more research to answer those questions. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:25, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

Is this guy a sock? --Yeschayi ~ Talk! (talk) 13:35, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

Yes. They've been blocked --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:13, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

Friendly editor notice about a discussion

Hey DavidB4. I just wanted to let you know I started a discussion about new content (Maybe a new article for it) about content on Wikipedia. You can see the discussion here: Conservapedia:Community Portal#Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article. I am letting the active editors know about the discussion. Feel free to drop your opinion in it! --Elijahandskip (talk) 18:18, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Possibility of a citation formatting bot?

Hello! This is probably not the best place to discuss it but I am not aware of better places so... can we have something to automatically format a citation (such as a news article) into a proper format, such as with author name, source, date, title, url, accessed date, etc. etc.? On WP I only know to do this with the visual editor (maybe there is also a way with source editing? I do not know). I am asking because your user page says requests for automation is welcomed, so here I am :) --Luminoxius (talk) 02:33, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

Hi, I'm certainly happy to discuss such things! So you are thinking of a tool which helps you properly format a reference before you publish it? I don't edit on WP, so I'm not familiar with how they do this. Are you thinking of bibliography formatting in general (such as BibMe, EasyBib, and MyBib offer) or a tool which specifically formats and fills in one of our ref templates, so you can just paste in that pre-generated template block? --DavidB4 (TALK) 10:56, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
Hi, I am not entirely sure what the two scenarios are... I will use an example to show what I hope to be achievable on the site. When I cite this news on this site, my input would be
and the link will appear in the Reference section as such, with zero formatting. When I cite this on WP, I would switch from source editing to their relatively new "visual editor" where the citation tool automatically converts the reference to
"Klar, Rebecca (October 16, 2020). "GOP senator writing book criticizing Big Tech for 'tyranny'". The Hill. Retrieved January 7, 2021."
with the report title superlinked to the source. If I am to achieve the same on Conservapedia, I would need to first generate an entry in Zotero where the fields are automatically identified by the software, then output the entry to some document as bibliography, and finally copy-paste the line to "<ref></ref>". This is so much of a hassle that I have never tried it. Apparently, such conversion is too cumbersome for not just me but most of our editors, therefore only a tiny number of references are formatted "properly", such as ref. 13 on Phyllis Schlafly. --Luminoxius (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
Okay, got it. Yes, Conservapedia doesn't have that visual editor feature. I do not have the ability to add/change wiki code, so I can't add something like that in. For bibliography, I typically use the offsite tool BibMe. That attempts to automatically grab the bibliography details from the website referenced, then prompts the user to verify/adjust/add as needed. Sometimes it does well and nothing needs to be changed. Other times it completely messes it up, and I need to manually fill in or fix the fields. Then it will give you the full bibliography text, and you can paste it into CP inside ref tags. Would that be helpful for your purpose? --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:37, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
Oh so it is not possible after all. I can see how using BibMe works. It is much like using Zotero. I will start looking for a procedure that streamlines these tools then. Thank you! --Luminoxius (talk) 17:06, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
Unfortunately, no I don't think it is possible. You're right, if we could add something like that, it would probably help us start using better citations. Sorry I can't help, but good suggestion! --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:14, 21 May 2021 (EDT)


No worries, these things happen. Thank you to all of you for being so welcoming! Patriotic Gamer (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Re: tpusa article

Im not sure how to reply to messages

I believe I added some things to it but I didn't write the entire thing originally. It was a combination of pulling from Wikipedia and infogalactic and then I added my own stuff —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikephshdj (talk)

I replied here: User_talk:Mikephshdj#Welcome and a question --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:23, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

Unlock request

Could you unlock the page for Thomas Jefferson so that I can add in additional information? Thank you.Progressingamerica (talk) 14:42, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

Unfortunately, no I cannot. You will need to ask someone like RobS, Conservative, or Aschlafly to unlock it. I don't have the ability to do that for you. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:11, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

Clean up

We are attempting to clean up unused categories, templates, images, red links, etc., which will help to save server space and raise search engine results. These unused images, for example, link to no pages and can all be deleted. Will your bot be able to handle that? There's about 2,000 of them, or 10% of all images. RobSFree Kyle! 19:23, June 14, 2021 (EDT)

Some years ago, I also put in some effort to clean them up. Unfortunately, much of that stuff (and almost all of the images) are locked to admin-only editing, so I can't touch these. If they weren't locked, I could try it. However, I'm a little timid about doing page deletions in mass, so it might take some time and testing. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:32, June 14, 2021 (EDT)
Do you have Skype? I want to talk to you about this. Conservative (talk) 20:38, June 14, 2021 (EDT)
I haven't used Skype in a long time, but I should be able to get it set up. Or we could talk via phone again, if you are comfortable with that, or even try discord. Want me to try setting Skype up again?--DavidB4 (TALK) 21:54, June 14, 2021 (EDT)
Yes, please set up Skype. I will email you. Please check your email in a minute. Conservative (talk) 22:03, June 14, 2021 (EDT)

Bringing over content from Wikipedia

For what it's worth, any time that I bring over content made by Futurist110 from Wikipedia, I'm bringing over my own content. I just want to make this part crystal-clear. Daniel Gonik (talk) 19:08, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

Hi David: I have, by and large, tended to contribute anonymously to Wikipedia, thereby merely leaving a (pool) email address from my ISP in Glasgow, Scotland, UK. About one particular subject, though, I do feel I've written enough there to bring over here and assemble into a (reasonably) self-contained article. On the other hand, I can't prove a damned thing about any of this, so where do I stand? Thanks, by the way, for your support and encouragement re Equity: I'm having loads of fun drafting totally unacceptable paragraphs about AOC haha. -J Psircleback (talk) 14:58, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
For importing that content, you might want to ask User:Aschlafly about whether that is okay. I suspect it probably is, but can't say for certain. Glad to hear that the Equity article work is going well. Haha! Just kppe it "family friendly" on the final draft, please :) --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:00, July 29, 2021 (EDT)

We have a Template for that purpose. Place the Template at the top of the talk page. Thanks. RobSFree Kyle! 22:11, July 29, 2021 (EDT)

! Portions of this article were originally written by User:Philinthename [WP user name w/link to WP userpage] and copied from . The copied text does not include alterations made by others on that site. Conservlogo.png
Yes, Psircleback was asking specifically about importing text which has been added to WP by multiple different WP accounts, but all of which they say they own. So basically, we, our readers, and critics won't be able to verify that this text was not plagiarized. If we're okay with that, then yes, just use the template and go for it. I just wasn't certain about the lack of verifiability. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:44, July 30, 2021 (EDT)
First question: Is this an article they (singular) created? RobSFree Kyle! 02:24, July 30, 2021 (EDT)
No, but I'm only interested in re-using the stuff I contributed. Specifically, all the edits made to WP's John R Searle article at the very end of December 2018 were me (as well as some of what was in that section already). Searle's 'Background' is Wittgenstein's 'substratum' (in On Certainty - but, if Searle is right, awareness of it can be traced back to Hume), and that's the topic I am minded to write about. -J Psircleback (talk) 03:30, July 30, 2021 (EDT)
So you want to excise a block of text. Should be no problem with that. Just put the diff in the Template above and include with your WP user name. RobSFree Kyle! 04:23, July 30, 2021 (EDT)

Download Conservapedia Database?

Hi. We corresponded a little bit back in March and I saw you were a moderator. I was not sure where else to take this question. Wikipedia offers solutions to download the entire database for offline reading. I would like to be able to download and preserve the content on Conservapedia in the same way. Can you please tell me if it is possible to do so? With all of the online censorship that is going on I feel like it is important to have personal backups of the content here. LoveExcel10 (talk) 21:12, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

Hi, good question. Unfortunately, I don't believe that such an option is offered here. I was asking around about that a few years ago, and wasn't having any success. --DavidB4 (TALK) 00:01, September 11, 2021 (EDT)
Is there a place to go to request the feature or push for it? Is there any way a user like myself could help? LoveExcel10 (talk) 14:08, September 11, 2021 (EDT)
It looks like you are already trying the best option. We shall see if he replies. As for helping in this regard, probably just asking and replying (as needed) is about all. If a copy is offered, store it somewhere safe. Until then, I guess just keep working on improving the content. (Expanding stubs is always a great place to start!) At the very least, some of our content is being archived by search engines, archive[dot]org, and some other places. At one point, 1990'sguy was also working on manually requesting that some of our pages be backed up by another service, so you could reach out and see if you can help with that, if you want.
Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:40, September 11, 2021 (EDT)
OK thank you. I thought to contact the founder of the site after I left my comment on your page. I will reach out to the 90's guy. LoveExcel10 (talk) 23:46, September 11, 2021 (EDT)
Hi again, I was tired when writing that, and messed up. I think 1990'sguy was doing a small amount of that sort of effort for a little while, but user:LiberalTears has been making more of an effort, as of late. He is the one I was thinking you might want to try contacting. Sorry for the mix-up. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:54, September 12, 2021 (EDT)

Merge request

Hello, could these two pages be merged? Top Conservative news websites Best Pro-Trump News Websites? We probably don't need 18 slightly varying Essay:Best News Sources and Conservative news websites. Also, could these also be merged? Top conservative websites of 2013 and Conservative blogs. If everybuilds 10 single separate stories, we can't build a tower. If we need to pick a better title I think that's a good conversation to have. Let me know how I can help if any. Progressingamerica (talk) 14:36, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

Good idea...Yes, that doesn't make much sense as it is. I don't have a lot of time for editing right now, but I will try to get to that at some point. Feel free to work on merging them yourself, too. We don't want to lose the value of each, but I agree that they should probably be combined in some way. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:23, October 12, 2021 (EDT)


Thanks for unblocking me, but what was "eutside the scope of Minuteman's purpose," pray? I'm intrigued. -SannyG CptSandra (talk) 14:15, February 25, 2022 (EST)

The program looks for Rusbots. You evidently appear to be spreading[1] Russian disinformation. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:28, February 25, 2022 (EST)
Minuteman's purpose is to block vandals. A quick check told me that you were debating with an administrator, and while I didn't investigate to determine your root concern or motives, that was beyond the job of Minuteman. I therefore unblocked you, to allow Rob to handle the situation appropriately. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:50, February 26, 2022 (EST)

Yes, I do seem to have been crossing swords with RobS a bit recently; Call me over-sensitive, but I thought he was completely out of order to write (of ConwayIII) "take this as a warning over your recent holocaust denial and mocking victims of nazism [..], you seem semi-intelligent; why do you defend Democrat idiots?" and then to refuse to substantiate what are to my ear really vicious, nasty, beyond-the-pale allegations and slurs.

But since it's bad Karma[2] not to be (at least partly) constructive - eg before quoting Alinsky (see below), I expanded the opening paragraph of Rules for Radicals - let me try to analyze the difficulty and speculate about what might have happened. Very obviously, the edit log doesn't satisfy my plea for a citation: the log merely says that something happened, not why it happened. And, knowing nothing about the bot itself, I can't safely infer anything from the times of my edits and the times in the log. But, fortunately, I don't need to, because I can make my case by citing something I wrote early on, viz:

"Logically, it seems to me that (at least) one of the following seven claims must be right: China doesn't matter (to the US). China does matter, but Russia doesn't. Russia matters, but it's European NATO's problem. Russia matters, but Putin doesn't. Putin matters, but he's European NATO's problem. Putin matters, but Ukraine doesn't. Ukraine matters."

Now, any policebot would be doing very well indeed not to treat those seven statements as being asserted by their author, when of course they are not (or, one is - but we[3] don't know which). Generalizing, I can infer without looking at any other block logs than mine that the prose/debate style of some authors is likely to generate a significant number of false positives. This is particularly a pain for me, because I'm in the UK so my hours and CP's hours are a lousy match - although it does (up to a point) serve to limit my screen time so it's not all bad, I suppose. :-) And of course I can draft improvements to eg Laurence J. Kotlikoff offline of course, which is in fact exactly what I'd just finished doing when I turned to this matter (Karma again).

Returning to my bot problem, RobS already know's I'm fond of quoting Saul Alinsky's 12th rule (see We need to recruit editors) so, having criticized your bot some, here's a constructive suggestion: associate selected users, presumably those with a track record of false-positives and, let's say, generally moderate tone, constructive edits and the like, with an 'AssumeGoodFaith' flag or some such that makes policebots generate reviews rather than actually blocking the user. Obviously, if the review finds abuse then either the flag can be reset for that user or, as a minimum, the user could be issued with a fairly stern warning.

Anyway, thanks again David[4], -Sandra CptSandra (talk) 11:57, February 26, 2022 (EST)

Sanny, a Rusbot is defined as inserting false information with malign intent. Sorry, but the algorithm responded to your postings. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:38, February 26, 2022 (EST)
Apparently so, but since I have not, or at least not to my knowledge, "inserted" any false information (unless you can show otherwise?), nor ever posted anything with "malign intent," I was (naturally enough) seeking to discover what had triggered David's Minuteman bot to block me - this information not being available at <> as I think you would accept, no? -S CptSandra (talk) 16:49, February 26, 2022 (EST)
We'll tweek our algorithms when Google tweeks theirs. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:24, February 26, 2022 (EST)
Bottomline, don't jokingly mock holocaust vicitms and victims of fascism, which is what you did. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:27, February 26, 2022 (EST)
Pardon me, you piggybacked on your troll buddy mocking holocaust victims and victims of fascism. Minuteman caught it. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:30, February 26, 2022 (EST)
Your troll buddy did receive a manual block, albeit not from me. Learn from this. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:34, February 26, 2022 (EST)
You're such a charmer, RobS; are you dateable, perchance? -RandySanny CptSandra (talk) 18:51, February 26, 2022 (EST)
Sorry, I'm spoken for. And I'm a strong believer in heterosexual monogamy. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:45, February 26, 2022 (EST)

Minuteman's gone haywire

The only blocks it's handed out in 6 weeks are unjustified. [21] RobSGive Peace a chance 11:36, December 24, 2022 (EST)

It should be 6 hours, not 6 weeks. I'll have to look back in the log to check that, and find out what it doesn't like about LT's edits. Anyway, I've added LT to the trusted list, so it shouldn't give further trouble for that account, at least. Thanks! --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:31, December 25, 2022 (EST)


  2. Please don't take 'Karma' literally: it's my just my shorthand for the principle that it's psychologically inadvisable constantly to wallow in the negative or the adversarial rather than making constructive contributions etc.
  3. Profound apologies for the academic 'we' - I got stuck.
  4. And I haven't figured out how to do footnotes yet; I'll get around to it next week sometime.

Thanks for finding and deleting the pages I created that I should have deleted after I moved them

Thanks for finding and deleting the pages I created that I should have deleted after I moved them.

I will try to be more careful in the future. Conservative (talk) 20:37, January 23, 2023 (EST)

Oh, you're welcome! It's an easy mistake to make; I'm sure I've done it too. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:37, January 23, 2023 (EST)
We got a whole bunch of Double Redirects that have been sitting there for weeks that need some maintenance. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:48, January 23, 2023 (EST)
Yes, I usually clean them up, but I've been too busy the past several months. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:36, January 23, 2023 (EST)
Would one of you mind deleting these two dud redirects? I can't do it, because they are protected for some reason.
Thanks --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:40, January 23, 2023 (EST)
Done. We need to, patiently, teach editors it is their responsibility to clean up the mess fix the Double redirects they themselves create. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:52, January 23, 2023 (EST)

Request for comment

Can you please comment on this thread: Just say that Conservapedia shouldn't have gossip. Like a simple and short statement. Thanks and I would appreciate your assistance.

By the way, I know you are in the tech field. I do some work in the tech field also. Being that you are in the tech field, I thought you might like chess. Are you a chess player? Right now I am working on some chess articles at Chess mastery and memory improvement and Chess and increasing mental performance. Conservative (talk) 07:18, September 22, 2023 (EDT)

Has that section been "disappeared"? I don't seem to see it currently. I know Rob has been deleting discussions about the matter. I find that rather concerning...matters like this can be discussed and argued, but to just delete the opposing arguments, and sometimes hide them using admin powers, seems like a concerning trend.
As for chess, I've played it a little bit, but not to any significant extent, and not for several years. I never really liked the way I'm not supposed to just play the a free-form game. It always seems like there's a list of known and documented strategies. "Oh, they moved their rook? That must meant they are doing the 'xyz attack.' The Best way to counter that is with the 'abc defence'" I just want to play a causal game. haha! --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:24, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

Fixing Conservapedia's main homosexuality article and other articles so they get more search engine traffic and have a better user experience

David, I sent you part of this message by email, but I added some additional material. Below is the full message to you.

If a website has too many dead links or if a web page has dead links on it's not a good user experience and its bad for rankings. To the search engines, it gives the impression that the website is not as well maintained as it could be if there are too many dead links. See: Link Rot – What it Is and How it Affects Rankings.

This message is about fixing Conservapedia's main homosexuality article and other Conservapedia articles so they receive more search engine traffic and have a better user experience.

Webpages that are long-form content very often rank for many keywords - not just the keyword that the article is titled.

There are tools that indicate the "dead links" on a page. These tools are publically available as browser addons. Users don't like dead links on pages and neither do search engines. For the Conservapedia homosexuality article, I will work on replacing any dead links with live links.

I may have to do it by hand. But perhaps MediaWiki has a way to automate this (I seem to recall that it might). If not, maybe David/Andy could make the process automated. Wikipedia might have some automated way to handle this, but I am not sure.

I have done computer programming professionally and I think I may be learning some additional programming skills, but at this point, I think David/Andy are more proficient programmers than me. I am rusty and I don't think the computer languages that I have programmed in would be able to automate this process.

Next, this process could be done for other important Conservapedia articles as well or perhaps all of Conservapedia's articles if the process is automated.

While there are tools that work with a browser to tell the dead links on a page, there are tools that will tell a webmaster where all of the dead links on a website are such as this one: I possibly have access to some paid SEO tools that could possibly tell Conservapedia all of the dead links on a website, but perhaps the various plans with such tools that I have access to do not cover crawling a whole website for dead links. But I believe this tool still works and it is free: Conservative (talk) 16:53, September 22, 2023 (EDT)

Hi, good point. Yes there are plenty of SEO tools which can check a page for dead links, and give you a list of them. I'm sure there is a way to better integrate such capabilities, but I'm not certain the best way. I'll give it some thought. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:32, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

A request

This is User: Conservative. Andy is going to contact User: RobSmith about the following matter this week and hopefully RobSmith decides to change his behavior. But if he doesn't, please contact User: Aschlafly about this matter should RobSmith persists.

Below is a post I recently made to User: Aschlafly.

The attacks by a Conservapedia Admin on a current Admin needs to stop completely and if he persists there need to be consequences

One thing I want to add about the current situation of User: RobSmith currently attacking User: Conservative.

RobSmith has been relentlessly attacking me via talk pages (and other pages of Conservapedia) and provoking me to respond to him. While this morning I  made the decision to totally ignore him henceforth, this is unwarranted. I have brought a lot of traffic and publicity to Conservapedia. And currently, I do work for conservative organizations and assist a leading podcast in a beneficial way by inviting some conservatives.  I realize that RobSmith may have all the time in the world to waste vindictively attacking me, but this is very foolish and it needs to stop. 

I updated my bio for Conservapedia and it reflects the work I currently do. And none of it involves the slanderous and false gossip that RobSmith is trying to push such as me allegedly being a bisexual, being a partner in 3-way love affair, attending a church whose pastor is married to a drag queen or being an unethical salesman (I don't even currently work in sales).  

The problem with gossip is that it not only disgraces the tall tale bearer, but it also brings shame to Conservapedia. Recently, a fellow Conservapedia said that fellow conservatives seeing RobSmith's shameful behavior harms Conservapedia's reputation among fellow conservatives.

And the icing on the cake is that User: RobSmith set up Conservapedia:Team CP to supposedly help promote cordiality at Conservapedia. Unsurprisingly, only one Conservapedian joined. And ironically, the one Conservapedian who did join, recently criticized User: RobSmith for his incivility. I believe that RobSmith set up Team CP to make himself look good and to serve as a distraction from his obviously uncivil behavior. Well, it's not working as 5 Conservapedians have commented to me about User: RobSmith's bad behavior.

And if this wasn't bad enough, recently the Admin RobSmith vindictively vandalized the popular article Internet atheism which has over 87,000 page views created by User: Conservative and removed over 50,000 bytes of content from the article. An Admin is supposed to stop vandalism at Conservapedia - not create it!

Here is my update to my bio on Conservapedia's page on Conservapedia just to make things perfectly clear:

The User:Conservative account has contributed the majority of content to the extremely popular Atheism, evolution, and homosexuality articles. User: Conservative's work has been cited/quoted/referred to by the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, The Chicago Tribune, The Telegraph, The Tampa Tribune, Concerned Women for America, CRU, WorldNetDaily, Shockofgod, Penn Jillette, PZ Myers, Kyle Kulinski, Lewis Black, and a leading French news outlet. The PNN News and Ministry Network produced a video entitled Viral article deals major blow to atheism. The book Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences by John J. Pasquini, Th.D, cites Conservapedia's Causes of atheism article several times. [22] Currently, User: Conservative is a Producer for a politics/social commentary/investigative reporting podcast that is among the top 1/2 percent of podcast in popularity and he has obtained interviews from best-selling authors, academics, filmmakers, political activists and religious figures. He also provides and/or has provided digital marketing services for a company, some leading nonprofits and a church in addition to being a writer who writes content for popular articles on the internet.

I trust this information helps clarify matters. And by the way, Andy knows these things are true just in case the gossiper RobSmith should wish to contend my bio. Conservative (talk) 08:13, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Well, I hope a resolution can be reached soon! I'm glad Andy is going to help mediate. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:17, September 26, 2023 (EDT)
Ignore this. He's gossiping. I reverted his sowing discord among the brethren on the dozen other active editors he tried to organize into a lynch mob, again, but left it on your page so you'd be up to date on what's happening. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 02:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)
I still think he should do something with the Lewis Black endorsement he credits for helping his career. We have a Lewis Black article but he won't expand it or link to it for the dozen pages he's spammed this posting to. I offered to help, but he just reverted me. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 03:19, September 26, 2023 (EDT)
There's a difference between gossiping, and discussing differences of opinion. This would seem to be the latter, and deleting his posts doesn't seem like the right way to resolve the disagreement. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)
I've never deleted any of his contributions, maybe reverted or moved some spam and trolling. He has a long running reputation for Deleting whole talk page discussions, keeping his user page locked, or reverting comments on site the few times it's open. Look, I'm not looking to cry on someone's shoulder, but it's impossible to "debate" or discuss anything with an editor who spams discussion pages, and reverts and deletes other people's comments. I'll leave it there, cause I just don't want to see this continue. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 22:10, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

The return of Karajou soon? If so, this is awesome!

I just noticed this. This is awesome!

People of Conservapedia I have returned. The hour of your redemption from China/Russia cheerleading is here. USA! USA! USA!

"Though they may hate me, I will force them to esteem me as well." - John Paul Jones

Key point: Perhaps, Karajou noticed User: RobSmith reverting my edit saying the U.S. Navy is the most powerful navy in the world. This may have caused him to consider returning to Conservapedia. See RobSmith's EDIT of the article World naval powers.

I hope Karajou's return occurs soon. Conservative (talk) 23:42, September 30, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, I saw that. Perhaps he is--that is an interesting development, if so! --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:36, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Conservapedia needs another America first and very pro-capitalism admin. Come back soon Karajou!

Key quotes of RobSmith:

IOWs, if you don't have anything positive to say about socialists and communists, just shut up, at least for the duration of the war. Read the bios of Bill Donovan, Frank Knox, and Henry Stimson. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you especially need to just shut up. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:54, January 21, 2023 (EST)

It won't happen until China and Russia break the back of US domination, first. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 21:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

I hope Karajou returns soon. Conservative (talk) 05:58, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

A certain Admin is wasting our time again and not acting in good faith

David, I sent you and Andy Schlafly this email a few minutes ago:

Andy and DavidB4,

Less than a month ago, we had an "Articles for Deletion" vote against RobSmith being able to delete one of my essays and RobSmith lost the vote 3 to 1 and if memory serves DavidB4 voted in favor of the essay not being deleted.

With Karajou aboard, it will be a 4-1 vote. And I am sure I could get other Conservapedians to vote my way also.

Now RobSmith wants to revote. This is unreasonable. He's wasting our time and should be creating content.


User: Conservative

I am referring to this article: Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 04:24, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

The Essay could be Moved to a less inflammatory and slanderous Title. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 04:29, October 3, 2023 (EDT)
Would we allow an Essay:Jewish war crimes in Palestine? Essay:American war crimes in Iraq? Essay:Police murder of Blacks? etc. The Title could be moved to "Alleged war crimes". RobSGive Peace a Chance! 04:33, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Request for your vote at: Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine

At Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine please vote in the following manner:

This is a time wasting revote. There needn't be another vote. We already voted on this matter less than a month ago. User: RobSmith lost the vote by a 3 to 1 margin. He is wasting our time.

Your vote on this matter would be very helpful. Conservapedia is not a dictatorship where a wanna-be tyrant can demand a revote less than 30 days later. Thank you.

By the way, this is what RobSmith recently said about capitalism:

"Fascism is both socialism and capitalism; and User:Conservative is glad to have Karajou back to defend User:Conservative's brand of "capitalism". RobSGive Peace a Chance! 22:06, October 2, 2023 (EDT)" Conservative (talk) 08:55, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

I can affirm this is 100% true; the evidence can be seen here. —LT Rev. 22:13 Tuesday, 09:02, October 3, 2023 (EDT)


I saw your recent post. It is disappointing that Walmart stopped its open carry in its stores.

But here is something I posted in an investor group that I belong to:

Zacks doesn't give a buy to Target, but it gives a buy to Walmart. and Walmart is beefing up its online presence and increased its online presence by 24% in Q2 (see: ). If inflation remains bad for awhile, people will shop at Walmart. If there is a recession, people will shop at Walmart. Walmart has had great stock performance for 5 years. So its a great defensive stock with upward potential. I think low price Walmart is in a better position than Target during inflationary/recessionary/stagflationary times.

But here is Walmart's China problem:

The US supermarket chain Walmart is closing its first store in the Chinese mainland at the end of November, on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the company's entering the market. Walmart China Closes 3 Stores in 1 Month

My guess is that Walmart is busy trying to diversify its supplier base outside of China or at least developing supplier contingency plans. See: Supply chains are diversifying away from China, causing a shift in global-trade patterns. Conservative (talk) 09:04, October 8, 2023 (EDT)

As stock options go, Walmart has been a "safe" investment for some time. I don't see Walmart going away anytime soon. Target is just Walmart, with higher prices. As long as people have disposable income, some will choose it over Walmart, just because the prices are higher. (It helps keep out the "undesirables," I suppose.) Target also keeps making public moves to support liberal ideals. [23] [24] This may tend to cause financial instability, at least in the sort term. [25] So if Target makes too much of an unpopular political move, or people lose the ability to afford shopping at Target, it could drop.
As for China, I imagine Walmart will have a hard time breaking into their market. They already have some solid options for cheap retail. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:52, October 8, 2023 (EDT)

Here is some additional information I told my fellow investment club members: "Here is a Wall Street Journal article on the subject that gives some research: Is ESG Profitable? The Numbers Don’t Lie Corporations that remain neutral on social and political issues outperform companies that lean left. However, my guess is that companies that appeal to affluent liberals such as American Express take less risk in getting involved in culture war issues than companies that appeal to a mass market audience or "Joe Six Pack" audience like Anheuser Busch." Conservative (talk) 17:08, October 8, 2023 (EDT)

I thought you might enjoy this essay

I thought you might enjoy this essay: Why a Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman.

It's time Conservapedia's articles on Russia and Putin have much greater objectivity. Conservative (talk) 16:40, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Please vote in this AFD vote

I wrote the essay: Essay: Why a Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman

Please vote in this AfD vote: Conservapedia:AFD Essay: Why A Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman

Thank you. Conservative (talk) 23:03, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, and also look at Andy's reason for deletion in the private email group. Thank you. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 23:06, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Another reason why it's not a good idea to move to Russia.

Here is another reason why it's not a good idea to move to Russia:

Am I moving to Russia? Nyet! Conservative (talk) 12:50, October 18, 2023 (EDT)

Haha! I didn't need another reason, but good point. --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:20, October 18, 2023 (EDT)
I was so tired of the insipid happy talk about Russia by a certain Russia cheerleader. So I thought a good dose of reality was in order. Conservative (talk) 02:00, October 19, 2023 (EDT)

An essay I wrote; please check it out!

See: Essay: Hitler was a Communist in early 1919LT Rev. 22:13 Friday, 08:42, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

I made updates to my essay at: Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?

See also: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?

I hope it's a sunny day where you are.

Now I know why someone wants to be a tyrant and greatly restrict my online reading! It's not ever going to happen!

See also: Russian soldier and looter returning to Russia from Ukraine: "Honey, we now have a great luxury. We now have a toilet inside our home!"

Russian soldier and looter returning to Russia from Ukraine: "Honey, we now have a great luxury. We now have a toilet!"

On October 20, 2023, The Financial Times, reported:

The letter of Mergen Mongush from Moscow (“Not the Kremlin line, but an ordinary Russian’s view”, October 7) is very misleading. Most desirable high-end retail products in Russian shops are well beyond the purchasing power of the vast majority of Russians outside of Moscow and St Petersburg, as totalitarian Russia has the highest wealth disparity of any large country. The wealth of Tatarstan, Tyumen and many other areas is funnelled to a small elite of Russians in cities that are not producing this wealth, while these regions remain impoverished.

When, for example, Russian troops invaded at Irpin and Bucha, close to Kyiv, they were shocked to see, in ordinary Ukrainian homes, huge televisions, high-quality washing machines and dryers, computers, internal toilets and other goods that are luxuries for them. So they killed Ukrainian inhabitants, not just to carry out Vladimir Putin’s orders, but to steal their possessions and take them back to Russia.

There are many photographs of Russian military vehicles carrying Ukrainian toilets, washing machines, etc back to Russia — and lots of jokes were made about this, but the failure of Russia to care for most of its own population and instead create huge wealth disparities is a serious matter.

Russia may have greater wealth as a country, but most Ukrainians live better than the average Russian.[1]

Financial Times, 2023: "When, for example, Russian troops invaded at Irpin and Bucha, close to Kyiv, they were shocked to see, in ordinary Ukrainian homes, huge televisions, high-quality washing machines and dryers, computers, internal toilets and other goods that are luxuries for them.

So they killed Ukrainian inhabitants, not just to carry out Vladimir Putin’s orders, but to steal their possessions and take them back to Russia."[2]]]

I trust this clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 17:34, October 23, 2023 (EDT)

Yep, the age-old problem for tyrants: Their subjects discovering first hand that the tyrant has been lying and concealing the truth. --DavidB4 (TALK) 03:11, October 24, 2023 (EDT)
Amen. Conservative (talk) 03:14, October 24, 2023 (EDT)



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Your vote is requested: I proposed a rewording of the first sentence of the CP Civility Association pledge

Please know if you approve of the THIS REWORDING of the Conservapedia:CP Civility Association pledge so the first sentence flows better.

Let me know as soon as possible HERE.

Thank you. Conservative (talk) 01:23, November 3, 2023 (EDT)

Your services as a debate judge are requested

Question: Who won this debate between User: Conservative and User: RobSmith?: Debate exchange about the USA reducing its federal debt.

If you choose to remain silent due to fear of retribution, I certainly understand. But we both know who won this debate exchange hands down! On behalf of all capitalists and advocates of smaller government, I hereby declare total victory in the debate! Olé! Olé! Olé! Conservative (talk) 08:52, November 13, 2023 (EST)

Well then, it sounds like victory has already been declared. :) --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:52, November 13, 2023 (EST)

My response

It was a total victory, but not totally satisfying because it was against RobSmith whose knowledge of economics isn't at a very high level. So it's kind of like winning a boxing match with a one-armed man.

Regardless, I did fine-tune some things and put the results in my new essay at: The USA can reduce its national debt. It has done it before.

I am glad I did the essay due to two matters:

1) I put a link to my new essay in my essay at The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future. So it made that essay stronger.

2) I just found out this information due to writing the new essay: As far as the national debt of the United States, according to the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania article When Does Federal Debt Reach Unsustainable Levels?: "As of September 30, 2023, the federal “debt held by the public” (herein, “debt”) stood at $26.3 trillion, or about 98 percent of projected GDP...Table 1 shows that between 2040 and 2045---or in about 20 years---the U.S. debt-GDP ratio will hit between 175 and 200 percent under current fiscal policy, depending on the assumed interest rates. The Appendix shows very little difference when instead using CBO’s projections."

Consider this:

"Japan recorded a Government Debt to GDP of 263.90 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2022. Government Debt to GDP in Japan averaged 146.28 percent of GDP from 1980 until 2022, reaching an all time high of 263.90 percent of GDP in 2022 and a record low of 50.60 percent of GDP in 1980."[26]

By the time the U.S. national debt blows up the USA economy, which it might do, I might be dead! :) I still think the could be a Great Depression 2.0 in the 2030s, but maybe not.

Consider this:

There is evidence that in the 2030s the United States has a good chance of experiencing another Great Depression and it could be worst than the first one (See: The Coming Great Depression of the 2030s and Top 5 Causes of the 2030s Great Depression). However, just as the United States got through its first Great Depression, I believe it is resilient enough to get through its second one. Of course, I could be wrong and perhaps if such an economic depression occurs, it could be a major factor in the United States breaking up as a nation. Conservative (talk) 15:17, November 13, 2023 (EST)

Consider this:

User:Conservative has half-baked notions and understanding of economics

Consider this:

Not everybody is interested in getting dragged into one of User:Conservative's imaginary debates with a debating opponent who never agreed to debate. RobSGet thee behind me, Satan 15:40, November 13, 2023 (EST)

Consider this RobSmith:
RobSmith wrote: Bottomline: The only way to "shrink" the budget is to "shrink" the population, i.e. have less people alive at the end of 12 months than the year began with. Once again, User:Conservative makes himself a spokesperson for neo-fascism and genocide while calling himself a conservative and Republican. RobSGet thee behind me, Satan 21:38, November 12, 2023 (EST)
A "spokesperson for neo-fascism and genocide"?
Them thars fightin' words! While I am completely immune from your drama queen, histrionic ways of giving every Tom, Dick and Harry gratuitous, wacko insults that are poorly supported, I do enjoy giving you a debate beatdown even though it's not very hard to do and not as satisfying as debating a more knowledgeable and logical opponent. Conservative (talk) 15:55, November 13, 2023 (EST)
I thought you were rather proud of your neo-fascistic tendencies - you post them all over the place. RobSGet thee behind me, Satan 16:14, November 13, 2023 (EST)
Isn't it interesting how liberals always call conservatives "fascists," despite all evidence pointing to the contrary? Textbook projection. Of course, I'm sure that has no relevance to the current discussion. --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:21, November 13, 2023 (EST)
That may have been the old-fashioned way in American politics, but recently we've seen genuine fascists, globalists, and neocons come crawling out of the woodwork. Now alternatively for someone claiming to be a conservative, they can adopt the User:Conservative school and plead stubbornness, stupidity, and ignorance are the basic core conservative values. RobSGet thee behind me, Satan 17:52, November 13, 2023 (EST)

I don't trust your judgment enough to bother clicking that link. I do know that China is experiencing a lot of economic troubles. Economic troubles in China could BADLY hurt Russian oil sales to China.

When I warned that China would experience economic troubles, you tried to argue against it giving some lame leftist video for me to watch. Sad! Conservative (talk) 15:40, December 12, 2023 (EST)

I have no idea what you're talking about. And I can't imagine the folly of even attempting to have a discussion with you about China's economic problems. I already know where that gay neocon Peter Zeihan stands, and don't need you to regurgitate his pap (errantly, at that) back to me. 15:46, December 12, 2023 (EST)RobSZelensky didn't kill himself
Let's take Prof. Mearsheimer, for example. I get at least 3 weekly updates from Mearsheimer, read your crap, and haven't found ANYTHING you and Prof. Mearsheimer agree upon, despite your fraudulent claims to do so. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 15:51, December 12, 2023 (EST)

RS's authoritarianism and belligerent behavior

Several Conservapedia editors have quit due to RobSmith's authoritarianism. His dictorial edits to main space articles is only surpassed by his dictorial practice of reverting people's talk page edits and his use of templates to cover up civil dialogue on talk page edits.

In addition, he is rude and belligerent to editors.

Have you noticed the same behavior? Conservative (talk) 14:09, December 11, 2023 (EST)

Yes, indeed I have. I've been seeing this for months--it's as if he is trying to bully everyone else into either leaving the site, or being subservient to him and his warped reality. A rather poinient example, was Rob deleting your above message to me (which you left on my talk page), hoping I wouldn't notice. Rediculous, and very unprofessional. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:46, December 11, 2023 (EST)
Talk pages are not indented to be used to gang up, denigrate and ridicule other editors. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 13:01, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Wikis are not intended to be used as a power trip, whereby one rogue admin starts acting like a dictator, bullying all of the good-faith editors and admins, and trying to drive them away. Yet here we are. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:22, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Fine. There is a place to air your complaints. This thread, which you restored, is a flame war and violation of the civility clauses of the Guidelines. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 13:25, December 12, 2023 (EST)
I can't speak to any "flame war." I just answered a question. And my talk page is my own, so I would appreciate it if this space was respected as it always has been--as mine to manage. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:33, December 12, 2023 (EST)
(ec) Read the definition then from the Conservapedia:Guidelines.
(ec) The subhead of this thread apparently is in violation of Conservapedia:Guidelines#User pages and user space which reads: "Your user pages, user talk, and user space are indeed your castle, from which you can agree, disagree and discuss issues as you will. However, you cannot use them to bully, ridicule (make fun of) or attack (denigrate) Conservapedia, or other users, and their opinions."
Being that you are an Admin, I will leave final adjudication of this issue to yourself, what to do with it. IMHO, it is a bad example to set for editors. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 13:38, December 12, 2023 (EST)

There is a price to belligerence and driving away editors. The search engines like new content as do people who are direct traffic. So as time goes on, there will be fewer and fewer people reading RobSmith's content. Conservative (talk) 13:36, December 12, 2023 (EST)
You should have thought about those things 12-15 years ago, when I warned about what you, Karajou, and others were allowing to happen. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 13:43, December 12, 2023 (EST)

Dictators often sow the seeds of their own eventual irrelevance. For example, Putin's invasion of Ukraine, which has turned into a war of attrition, is making Russia's demographic crisis worse.

Also, "approximately five million Russian citizens left Russia during twenty years of Putin’s rule, prior to the invasion of Ukraine, according to one study that used official Russian statistics."[27] And often these were the educated/skilled people wanting greener pastures. Conservative (talk) 13:45, December 12, 2023 (EST)

I'm out. I'm not participating any further in User:Conservatives's wanton violation of CP:Civilty rules and Flame war. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 13:48, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Rob, if you are concerned about something which you believe might be a personal attack against yourself, from a longstanding editor, then perhaps allowing another admin to clean it up might be the best course of action. Otherwise, it looks like you are trying to cover something up, or bury dissent. I try to assume best intentions unless/until proven otherwise. But this pattern of behavior suggests malintent. If you are, in fact, just trying in good faith to keep things clean and fair, then perhaps being cognisant of the optics would be prudent. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:48, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Here's my point: User:Conservative is incapable of separating a content dispute from a personal dispute, and personalizes ALL disputes. It would be impossible for me or anyone to clean up his decade long plus personal attacks he's spammed across talk pages, user talk pages, in Essays and even in Mainspace. Only familiarizing both editors and Admins on proper user conduct on talk pages, the rules of Civility, and most importantly, familiarizing Admin with the proper use of Admin tools, can we begin to fix the persistent problems.
Let me give an example: a certain unnamed user whose initials were L & T learned a bunch a bad habits from User:Conseravtive - namely, spamming talk page discussion with off-topic, irrelevant junk that contributed nothing to an ongoing discussion. God love the man, and I do almost as my kid brother - but bottomline - it is incivil conduct to repeatedly spam discussions with irrelevant nonsense. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:08, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Didn't that same individual support your efforts against numerous individuals for a while, which included attacking me? --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:14, December 12, 2023 (EST)
I am not familiar with what you refer to. And I pointedly deny that I have initiated, or ever participated in "efforts against individuals". RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:19, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Oh, of course. The Slack channel never happened... --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:25, December 12, 2023 (EST)
In Slack, yes the user repeatedly complained about some link you once made. I finally told him to shut up and forget about it. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:28, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Mmm-hm. It's also interesting how that ended up on RW. And all because my comment wasn't actually read, so the link was taken out of context. But I wasn't the main target of those miles and miles of discussions on Slack. Do I need to dig out my screenshots? --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:39, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Sure, do so. The user would complain, "David bla bla bla" I looked at it and decided at best it was nothing, and at worst a common mistake anyone was capable of. But no mean spirited or subversive editing. Due to the quirkiness of the complaining editor, he would criticize me for "not doing anything about it". And if I ever did act on his constant complaints, criticism of me as "tyrant" would have been justified. Removal of the link was sufficient, and I don't think I ever knew who did remove it. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:50, December 12, 2023 (EST)
Let me add this: If I recall correctly, the user went into the histories to discover the link, which I felt was unfair and a dead issue. I told him several times it was likely just an error that had been corrected, and just leave it alone. I saw no evidence of malignancy. But the user, who was just a 17 year old kid needing mentoring, not only was impulsive, but adopting the same vengeful attitude that was common among several CP Admin and Ratvandals, which I warned him against, and would continue to warn him today if possible. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 00:12, December 13, 2023 (EST)
You know very well, that's not what I'm talking about. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:31, December 12, 2023 (EST)
No, I am not certain what you are talking about. I recall you were invited into the group (as most everyone was). I recall your participation was minimal. The user who created the account repeatedly mentioned your name about a certain link that he eventually posted at WIGO, which I felt was vengeful and underhanded cause of his anger at Andy, Karajou, User Conservative, and CP in general (as well as his anger at me cause I refused to "do something about it").
What specifically are you talking about? Feel free to speak freely. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 23:30, December 12, 2023 (EST)
(ec) Here is what I am referring to, and you can see this virtually on any random talk page of User:Conservative's Essays:
User:Conservative writes an Essay with, let's say, "controversial content". An editor inquires about the content on the talk page. User:Conservative cuts and pastes the content from the Essay into the talk page as his response.
That is grossly uncivil conduct.
The unnamed editor didn't adopt the identical technique, however he did adopt the part about spamming thousands of bytes, usually 'stream of consciousness', in discussions RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:26, December 12, 2023 (EST)

LT left due to RobSmith's belligerent/tyrannical behavior. Conservative (talk) 14:27, December 12, 2023 (EST)

Unfortunate, since that editor was contributing a lot of content before all of the drama. Speaking of drama, if I didn't know better, I'd think this was FB, with all of the censorship. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:39, December 12, 2023 (EST)
In fairness, "censorship" should refer to article content. Talk pages are governed by our Civility Guidelines. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 15:06, December 12, 2023 (EST)

By bullying LT and causing him to leave, RobSmith guaranteed that less people will see Rob's content. I am now watching pro-Russia website's less due to RobSmith's terrible behavior. He is a terrible spokesperson for Russia. But I still plan on visiting Saint Petersburg.
By the way, in a way Russian authoritarian/corrupt/incompetent leaders that helped drive Russians out of Russia have been a benefit to me. I had a Russian- healthcare provider who was head and shoulders better than the American born doctors who could not cure me, while he did cure me. And my Russian-American barber is fantastic. Conservative (talk) 14:49, December 12, 2023 (EST)
I am not a spokesperson for Russia. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:51, December 12, 2023 (EST)
User:Conservative: This made me think of you. Hope you're proud of your work. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 15:01, December 12, 2023 (EST)
You are frequently thinking of me because you are obsessed with me. And I don't trust your judgment enough to click that link - especially given the economic woes of China. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Conservative (talk)
Oh yah. I wake every morning with the big one just for you. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 16:24, December 12, 2023 (EST)

China's banking system is in free fall right now, says Hayman Capital's Kyle Bass. This could BADLY hurt Russian oil sales to China

China's banking system is in free fall right now. This could BADLY hurt Russian oil sales to China. See: Essay: Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines

Weep and wail for the economic problems heading for Russia hyper Russophiles. Conservative (talk) 15:43, December 12, 2023 (EST)

China's banking system is in free fall and the country's real estate losses could hit $4 trillion, veteran investor says.
Say goodbye to the BRICS’ New Development Bank, which is headquartered in Shanghai, lending out a lot of money in the future. Say goodbye to the S.S. Multipolar Fantasy because that ship is taking on a lot of water. Conservative (talk) 15:52, December 12, 2023 (EST)
China's government will likely eventually step in and that will HURT China's long term economic prospects. Conservative (talk)
Winter is coming for China’s economy. Brrrrrrr! Conservative (talk) 16:16, December 12, 2023 (EST)
China's real estate crisis is little different than the 2008 Crash in the US. They'll follow the US example and inflate their way out. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 16:26, December 12, 2023 (EST)

Bad news for China: USA about to put on the economic decoupling brass knuckles. Russians say goodbye to much of your oil sales to China

House committee calls for reset on China-U.S. economic relations. In a rare bipartisan report, Republicans and Democrats call for increased tariffs and restrictions on Chinese companies.

USA about to put on the brass knuckles. Russians say goodbye to much of your oil sales to China!

I have one word for the Chinese Communist Party: Decoupling! Conservative (talk) 02:21, December 13, 2023 (EST)

Russian urals crude prices as of December 25, 2023

The Russian Urals oil price is falling! Mother Russia if this keeps up your purse is going to have less money in it! Conservative (talk) 03:10, December 13, 2023 (EST)

Go sit in the corner, the adults are trying to have a conversation. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 05:15, December 13, 2023 (EST)


Personal note to myself: Don't edit during waning hours.

To DavidB4: I believe that Operating system should be moved to Operating System (as this is the common way of using the term) and in my tiredness, did this myself forgetting that this violates Manuel of Style. All I can do from here is inverse this so Operating System redirects to Operating system, but I don't think this is proper. Cazle (talk) 03:04, March 1, 2024 (EST)


That's no problem! You're right, "System" is typically capitalized in this case. I would say a redirect is perfectly fine. If someone search for, or links to, "Operating System," they will find the article, rather than a blank page. If you start typing "Operating..." into the search bar, it can be a little confusing, since you see two options for the same thing. But in general, I think this is probably better. Thank you! --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:47, March 6, 2024 (EST)

You got me confused

You got me confused with Karajou - I'm not a sadist who gets pleasure in blocking. I take the responsibilities of an Admin seriously, do not take imposing disciplinary actions lightly, and hope to guide editors into being more productive and effective. Me and User:MayGodBless (I know who he is and have worked with his many sockpuppets for many years) had a very polite and cordial discussion on his talk page this evening. Please mind your business and rid yourself of whatever gossip Cons has polluted your mind with about me. Thanks and God Bless. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 04:30, March 11, 2024 (EDT)

Cons and I barely speak--he has nothing to do with this. But you are sounding more and more like Karajou every time I come on here.
You didn't like someone criticizing your work, so instead of responding in kind, or in the case of the references request, just moving it into compliance with CP policy, you blocked him. I find that concerning. Also, CP policy always used to be, in Andy's words, that blocking should never be used as a punishment. Yet now you use it that way regularly. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:57, March 12, 2024 (EDT)
I laid the reasons in both the edit summary, and later on the talk page there. Evidently, you did not review the reversions I did to at least three pages he vandalized and trolled from his contribs. The revision to the Ukraine war page, in fact, was an afterthought based upon bad faith editing after he received the block for trolling and edit warring on other pages. 17:11, March 12, 2024 (EDT)
Look at the timestamps:
The editor came here for one specific purpose, to troll. [28][29][30] RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 17:24, March 12, 2024 (EDT)
Anyways, he's one of your "goof faith" buddies, so you need to discipline him. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 17:28, March 12, 2024 (EDT)
Your statement, "You didn't like someone criticizing your work" simply is not true. He placed fact tags in the Putin and Dmitri Medvedev articles, which I then provided citations for - citations to Politico and NYT which he himself could easily have inserted in a spirit of good faith and collaboration. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 17:37, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

  • " blocking should never be used as a punishment. Yet now you use it that way regularly. "

Bingo, or you got it at least half right.

Of all CP longterm Admin, I have always been the most light-handed in handing out 2 year, 5 year, and infinite blocks. And I've been accused by Karajou & Cons of being one of them (a Ratvandal) for not using the banhammer.

A 3 hour block, while the guy was inactive, is disciplinary, not punishment. It says "you can come back, but don't do the same stuff you just did." You paid no attention to that, instead polluted your mind with all the crap Karajou and Cons gossip about me. Sorry. Thanks. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 18:44, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Going back to 2007, I could not tell you how many times on the Admin email list I said longterm blocking does not work, you cannot keep a determined troll off the server, and you must find a way to work with those trolls. And I've paid a heavy price for it from sadistic Admin who take pleasure in wielding the banhammer against their enemies. Now we have 70,000 registered sockpuppet accounts thanks to them. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 18:51, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

In fact, User:MayGodBless has already returned under one of his other socks, even tho his 3 hr block expired before he even woke up. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 18:54, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

The Ratvandals stated in Rationalwiki 1.0, before Rationalwiki 2.0 ever went public, that their goal was to sow division between CP Admin. Karajou and User:Conservative read that themselves in 2007, and have been dancing to the Ratwikians tune every day since. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 19:03, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

RS is trying to turn Conservapedia into a gaggle of girly gossip. Real men do not gossip. High school girls gossip

As you can see HERE, User: RobSmith is trying to turn Conservapedia into a gaggle of girly gossip. Real men do not gossip. High school girls gossip.

The Conservapedia page Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia clearly says "We do not allow gossip, just as a real encyclopedia avoids it."

If you could please let the owner of the website, that you do not appreciate RobSmith's efforts to turn Conservapedia into a place of gossip, I would appreciate it. Thank you. Conservative (talk) 10:11, March 21, 2024 (EDT)

Right now, Conservapedians are writing to the owner of the website complaining about the belligerence of User: RobSmith towards other Conservapedians.
Previously, RobSmith was stripped of his adminship and banned from the website due to his bad behavior. And he is currently in some hot water now.
Please write to Andy Schlafly, who is the owner of the website via the email that you possess. And please CC me on the email at conservativeconservapediaATgmailDOTcom
Thank you. Conservative (talk) 11:49, March 21, 2024 (EDT)

Davidb4: Did you do this at Rationalwiki? My impression is, you are unaware what you are getting, or have gotten, yourself itself into with User:Conservative's trolling games.

I would remind you I am a real life person who edits under my own real life name. Thank you. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 18:12, March 26, 2024 (EDT)

I don't have time for games. Why are you concerned about whatever is going on over at RW? --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:11, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
Cause the poster there (allegedly the same as the poster here) is trying to keep the issue alive.
Here's what I wish you could understand: my action was an Administrator action, trying to protect you, and not trying to "cover up" any personal bs. Trolling, spamming personal attacks to multiple user pages, is not "free speech" as you have contended. It is a violation of CP Commandments and Guidelines. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 02:27, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
But can't it also be said that placing the text here in the first place was also an administrator action? --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:42, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
That's the problem. Andy agrees, the if I spammed to two dozen user talk pages, ==User:Conservatve is a girly man== which basically is the same thing that User:Conserative did and has done repeatedly for years, we'd have a problem. Would you, as an Admin, allow 2 dozen non-Admins to do that to each other day and night?
As a policy matter, can you identify the specific problem here? RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:17, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
Yes, the policy issue is quite clear. Specifically, that is officially not my problem; it is not the job of admins to police and punish other admins. That it the job of the "Bureaucrats." According to CP policy, admins are considered equals, meaning admin1 has no authority over admin2. Suggestions and requests can be made as peers, but enforcement is out of scope. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:41, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
So you agree than that Admin1 is free to spam personal attacks across multiple user pages? RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 14:56, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 17:08, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
Don't try convincing me...I don't have the rank of Bureaucrat. Plead your case to a Bureaucrat. It's their job to keep Admins in line. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:13, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
My point is - my reversion of a violations of CP Guidelines by another editor was an Admin action - you should recognize that. Your reposting of ridicule and flaming may be viewed as ridicule and a personal attack in your user space. You should recognize that. Trolling, flame wars, and personal attacks are not protected "free speech". RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 22:33, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

Sorry about that.

Thank you for the word correction on DeviantART. Cazle (talk) 02:20, March 25, 2024 (EDT)

No problem. It can happen to anyone! --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:45, March 26, 2024 (EDT)

Regarding article that is largely a copy of a Wikipedia article.

Feel free to pare down Economy of Door County, Wisconsin if it's largely a copy from Wikipedia. Conservative (talk)

I wanted to at least give the editor a chance to respond. It is not entirely a direct copy-and-paste, as some spots seem to have alternate wording. That could be an attempt to make it look less like a copy-and-paste, but it could also be for legitimate reasons. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:06, April 3, 2024 (EDT)

Nobody considers to be an international relations expert. His Vladimir Putin article barely has over 150,00 page views - despite Putin being a more prominent figure than Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers.

Andy is aware that the view page counter for the Richard Dawkins article's view counter got accidentally reset and that it actually has over 1 million page views.

How many page views has mainspace Vladimir Putin article received? Barely over 150,000 page views - despite the fact that Putin is a much more prominent public figure than Dawkins.

Even my article on the barely notable PZ Myers received over 200,000 page views.

Nobody considers RobSmith to be an expert in international relations. The proof is in the view counter pudding and he failed big time.

Only RobSmith considers himself to be an expert in international relations which is a very small "achievement" considering that he is a narcissist. Conservative (talk) 21:10, April 8, 2024 (EDT)

People often join organizations that an authoritative, credible and knowledgeable person joins. RobSmith has yet to explain why zero Conservapedians are members of Team CP other than himself.
I know it would be ego-shattering and cause him to have more self-awareness, but RobSmith should consider upping his game when it comes to edits on the topics of international relations, foreign policy, and geopolitics.
I would also suggest that he stop injecting knowing lies in his articles on these topics. Conservative (talk) 21:10, April 8, 2024 (EDT)
I very much doubt any of us can be considered foremost experts in international politics and deplomacy. Being humble and self aware about that is important. I can find sources which sound authoritative, provide long lists of proof, and are generally popular, which claim that the earth is flat. Likewise for hollow earth theory, or any number of other things. The important things are the ability to research a topic as objectively as possible (accepting that everyone has a bias, including ourselves), and to filter out the nonsense as best we can based on what verifiable facts can be identified. I can insist that Biden's bed room in the white house is wallpapered with giant CCP flags. I can say that I have a secret source working in the white house who confirmed this. I can say the purchase orders have been identified. I can even show you something which looks like the purchase order. But does that mean you should believe me? Probably not. Certainly not on that alone.
The world has become a place of subjective truth. It's a mess. But our job is to pick out the irrefutable facts, and make logical arguments. Picking up biased materials from the Russian government, and assuming they are completely true, is a mistake. That is comparable to accepting "scientific reports" and pier-reviewed papers, which state that man-made global warming is real, but were sponsored by the same billionaires investing in financially illogical "green" technology, who expect to earn massive returns. But then saying that the Russian government is actually hiding or understating the truth, and that we somehow know that things are even better over there than the propaganda states, is sheer lunacy. Where's the proof?
China is on unstable footing, but they are learning. Russia is floundering, and the United States is voluntarily tearing itself apart. What will come of that? I very much doubt any of us can say for sure, although I have my suspicions. --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:45, April 9, 2024 (EDT)
RobSmith totally flubbed China's economy going bad. He wears rose-colored glasses when looking at Russia/China. And the Russian war crimes in Ukraine he totally flubbed. And I caught him intentionally lying in some of his articles related to Russia. And yet, he ceaselessly lobbies for me being topic banned on international affairs which of course Andy ignores. Conservative (talk) 11:15, April 9, 2024 (EDT)

My fellow American. I believe that we will win! USA! USA! USA!


A quick update:

Have a great day! Conservative (talk) 03:24, April 11, 2024 (EDT)

I hope so. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:37, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

Do you agree with my analysis of Mike Johnson?

DavidB$, do you agree with my analysis of Mike Johnson given HERE?

Let me know what you think. Conservative (talk) 08:17, April 20, 2024 (EDT)

uhh, I think it's David, not Peter. User:Conservative doesn't pay attention to whom he spams his bs to. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 20:21, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
I'm not certain. Johnson was precised by some people who knew him professionally, as a solid guy with integrity. But there is so much pressure from "the establishment" to fall in line, that it wouldn't surprise me if they "got to him." At the very least, he is hearing from numerous republicans and all of the democrats, that giving billions of dollars to the Ukrainian politicians, is a dire necessity. Mob rule may also play a significant part in this. I don't know the man, personally or professionally, so I can't speak to his heart or intentions. But his outward actions are concerting, and would seem to warrant action from other republicans to correct. --DavidB4 (TALK) 19:25, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
There was a lot of pressure put on him, but it does appear as if he is the type of person to cave under pressure. Conservative (talk) 20:59, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
This is a CYA operation by User:Conservative after User:Conservative wrote the script Mike Johnson is reading now. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 19:30, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
No offense to either of you, but somehow I doubt that Conservative wrote a playbook for the speaker. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:13, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
Speaker Johnson is reading the same anti-Putin, anti-Russian talking points User:Conservative has been writing about day and night now for 2 years. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 20:18, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
Ah, so just because someone opposes corrupt official "A," they must be in support of corrupt official "B"? --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:21, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
Biden, Mike Johnson, and User:Conservative all spout the same bs, from the same corrupt sources, about Putin. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 20:30, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
For example, 2 years ago User:Conservative called me on the phone and wanted to support his screeds by having me look at the "Putin Palace" Wikipedia page. Where did the main source of Putin's Palace come from? Alexei Navalny, a racist CIA operative and Russian traitor. Who manipulates Wikipedia content to influence public opinion (per Wikipedia founder)? The same people blackmailing Speaking Johnson. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 20:39, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
Navalny was recruited by the CIA while at Yale. He was convicted in Russia for taking foreign money to influence Russian elections. His CIA-sponsored anti-Putin campaign was spread by the same MSM outlets that spread the CIA-sponsored anti-Trump campaign over the same timeframe, 2015-now. This isn't rocket science. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 23:01, April 20, 2024 (EDT)

The liberal media is comparing Mike Johnson to Winston Churchill for ... caving into Biden and the pro-LGBTQ globalists. How many tens of millions of dollars or more of the new $61 billion "aid" flows into promoting the homosexual agenda through NATO?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:33, April 20, 2024 (EDT)

Churchhill was a lion. Johnson is more like a lap dog that does tricks for the establishment. Now that I am less of an evangelical Protestant, I can see how American evangelical theology can sometimes lend itself to creating people like Mike Pence and Mike Johnson (Depending on the type of church they attend). Conservative (talk) 00:19, April 21, 2024 (EDT)
Your criticism of Johnson falls flat. Johnson is doing exactly what you have advocated for and encouraged for 2 years. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:34, April 21, 2024 (EDT)
Until you give me proof and evidence for your allegations against me, I will continue to not take you seriously. I know that you crave respect. Someday you may learn that this requires acting respectable. Conservative (talk) 07:01, April 21, 2024 (EDT)
You talk too much. You got to know when to hold em, know when to throw em. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 10:03, April 21, 2024 (EDT)

Sign up to be a new editor page

I left the below message to User: Cazle:

I showed Andy your suggestion as far as a user sign up page. We both liked your suggestion and we are going to adopt some of it, but further refine it.
Please go to: User:Cazle/nep
Maybe User: DavidB4 can get involved. The "welcome template", which I think he created, is magnificent. Maybe he can spiff up your sign up to be a new editor message graphically.
Bottom line: I think my proposed page was too "plain Jane". So your suggestion to spiff it up graphically was a good suggestion. Thanks for your suggestion.
Perhaps, you, DavidB4 and I can have a 3 way telephone call of Skype/Discord conference call. I will contact DavidB4. Let me know what you think. Conservative (talk) 21:54, April 25, 2024 (EDT)"

I see that you did not design the welcome template. Are you good enough with wiki code to spiff up User: Cazle's sign up page idea? Our welcome template/message is very elegant looking. It would be nice if the "sign up to be a new editor" page was elegant looking or at least closer to it than User: Cazle's suggestion. My friend thinks User: Cazle's design is fine and nice looking. I think it looks pretty good. But Andy would like the message to be somewhat more better looking. Conservative (talk) 22:01, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Yes, the welcome template was by someone else. I made template:greeting, so that is probably what you are thinking of.
I might be able to help. In what context will this template be used? What sort of space and style constraints will apply?
Also, does CP's hosting contract include email services? If so, might we want to use something more professional, like ""? Keep in mind too, that any email address published in text form will be picked up by web spiders and start receiving spam. If we publish it as an image, rather than searchable/copyable text, that will reduce the abuse of that address. However, its appearance will be inconsistent from one device to another, and interested users will not be able to copy-and-paste the address into their email client. (They would need to type it in manually.) --DavidB4 (TALK) 02:21, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
Agree with much you wrote such as using an image. Will try to reach you sometime in the evenings. Conservative (talk) 10:44, April 26, 2024 (EDT

I sent you a message via our usual communication channel

I sent you a message via our usual communication channel.

It was about this: and related matters. If you don't get ahold of me via our usual communication channel, send me an email as a reminder. Conservative (talk) 01:22, May 6, 2024 (EDT)

Okay, my apologies, things have been pretty busy for me, lately. But that sounds and looks good. --DavidB4 (TALK) 20:10, May 7, 2024 (EDT)

An essay which Conservapedia's tech guy will probably like

Since you are Conservapedia's tech guy, I thought you might like this new essay: High income countries are rarely authoritarian countries in our technological age driven by innovation. Conservative (talk) 16:07, May 12, 2024 (EDT) =