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:I never heard of Ledger nor A Knights Tale. BrokeBack wasn't even  xpected to be a hit (cause of homosexuality). No-name seems like the perfect description. Just because you are in a prior movie, doesn't make you a star.--'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''^{[[User:Jpatt|  ]]} 14:26, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

:I never heard of Ledger nor A Knights Tale. BrokeBack wasn't even  xpected to be a hit (cause of homosexuality). No-name seems like the perfect description. Just because you are in a prior movie, doesn't make you a star.--'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''^{[[User:Jpatt|  ]]} 14:26, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::Just because YOU never heard of it, doesn't mean it wasn't a hit. Heath Ledger had STARRING roles in A Knight's Tale (2001), The Four Feathers (2002), The Order (2003), Ned Kelly (2003), Casanova (2005), The Brothers Grimm (2005), and Lords of Dogtown (2005). Gyllenhaal was also the star of The Day After Tomorrow prior to Brokeback Mountain, and it was a blockbuster. I'm not sure if Jarhead was before or after Brokeback, but it also was a hit movie. Give the devil his due.--[[User:IanG|IanG]] 14:44, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::Just because YOU never heard of it, doesn't mean it wasn't a hit. Heath Ledger had STARRING roles in A Knight's Tale (2001), The Four Feathers (2002), The Order (2003), Ned Kelly (2003), Casanova (2005), The Brothers Grimm (2005), and Lords of Dogtown (2005). Gyllenhaal was also the star of The Day After Tomorrow prior to Brokeback Mountain, and it was a blockbuster. I'm not sure if Jarhead was before or after Brokeback, but it also was a hit movie. Give the devil his due.--[[User:IanG|IanG]] 14:44, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]], I'm guessing you're the wrong gender to appreciate Ledger's, uh, talents.  I loved him in ''Ten Things''.  In my house, we enjoyed comparing it to Shakespeare's ''Taming of the Shrew'', which it was based on.  We also enjoyed ''Knight's Tale'', especially all of the wonderful jousting scenes.  I hated ''Lords of Dogtown'', but the documentary it was based on, ''Dogtown and Z-Boys'', was great.  Ledger, though, did a pretty good job in ''Lords'', given a horribly-written movie.  I'm not a big movie lover, but I was familiar with Ledger well before ''Brokeback'', as were many other movie fans.  While he wasn't on everyone's radar, he was far from a no-name actor. [[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]], the problem with writing a summary/analysis of ''Brokeback'' without seeing the movie is that you may get the basic facts right, but without seeing it you may not get the tone right, or understand the nuances that made it a quite good ''and complex'' movie, regardless of its controversial subject matter.  In this movie, tone and nuance is everything.  For the record, I have seen the movie.  --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 15:00, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]], I'm guessing you're the wrong gender to appreciate Ledger's, uh, talents.  I loved him in ''Ten Things''.  In my house, we enjoyed comparing it to Shakespeare's ''Taming of the Shrew'', which it was based on.  We also enjoyed ''Knight's Tale'', especially all of the wonderful jousting scenes.  I hated ''Lords of Dogtown'', but the documentary it was based on, ''Dogtown and Z-Boys'', was great.  Ledger, though, did a pretty good job in ''Lords'', given a horribly-written movie.  I'm not a big movie lover, but I was familiar with Ledger well before ''Brokeback'', as were many other movie fans.  While he wasn't on everyone's radar, he was far from a no-name actor. Foxtrot, the problem with writing a summary/analysis of ''Brokeback'' without seeing the movie is that you may get the basic facts right, but without seeing it you may not get the tone right, or understand the nuances that made it a quite good ''and complex'' movie, regardless of its controversial subject matter.  In this movie, tone and nuance is everything.  For the record, I have seen the movie.  --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 15:00, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

:: Well, we can agree that since I didn't hear of it doesn't make it not a hit, geez. I have watched some good movies, can't say I ever heard of any of the movies he was previously in, let alone somebody telling me to watch them because it was to die for. I would have to say that if you are in at least five movies, that does make you a sought after Star. Still refuse to watch Brokeback, call me old fashioned, call me a Phobe, Foxtrot- call me the wrong gender and I'll make you walk the plank. IANG your attitude is rubbing me and others, watch your step.--'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''^{[[User:Jpatt|  ]]} 17:02, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

:: Well, we can agree that since I didn't hear of it doesn't make it not a hit, geez. I have watched some good movies, can't say I ever heard of any of the movies he was previously in, let alone somebody telling me to watch them because it was to die for. I would have to say that if you are in at least five movies, that does make you a sought after Star. Still refuse to watch Brokeback, call me old fashioned, call me a Phobe, Foxtrot- call me the wrong gender and I'll make you walk the plank. IANG your attitude is rubbing me and others, watch your step.--'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''^{[[User:Jpatt|  ]]} 17:02, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::: My attitude reflects that which I receive. Also, it wasn't Foxtrot saying anything about your gender, it was HSmom, and she was merely commenting that you wouldn't appreciate Ledger's aesthetic qualities.--[[User:IanG|IanG]] 17:10, 7 October 2008 (EDT)  

::: My attitude reflects that which I receive. Also, it wasn't Foxtrot saying anything about your gender, it was HSmom, and she was merely commenting that you wouldn't appreciate Ledger's aesthetic qualities.--[[User:IanG|IanG]] 17:10, 7 October 2008 (EDT)  

::::Before someone puts their foot in their mouth, I think Hsmom was saying that, since you are not a teenage girl, you will not fawn over him like oh-so-many teenage girls did :P [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:51, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

::::Before someone puts their foot in their mouth, I think Hsmom was saying that, since you are not a teenage girl, you will not fawn over him like oh-so-many teenage girls did :P [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:51, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I'll expand my comments here, rather than engage in an edit war.  As noted above, I have actually seen the movie. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 15:19, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I'll expand my comments here, rather than engage in an edit war.  As noted above, I have actually seen the movie. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 15:19, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

* ''Brokeback Mountain is a drama movie from 2005 by Ang Lee'' - "Drama movie" is weird phrasing.  I'm not sure how to fix it, though.  "Is a romantic drama" would work, but leaves out that it is a movie.  Anyone have a better idea?

* ''Brokeback Mountain is a drama movie from 2005 by Ang Lee'' - "Drama movie" is weird phrasing.  I'm not sure how to fix it, though.  "Is a romantic drama" would work, but leaves out that it is a movie.  Anyone have a better idea?