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:: Just look at polling data and you'll see that millions of YECs are liberal and voted for Obama.  You have free will to deny it, but it's as indisputable as 2+2=4.

:: Just look at polling data and you'll see that millions of YECs are liberal and voted for Obama.  You have free will to deny it, but it's as indisputable as 2+2=4.

:: The claim that YEC and materialism are "mutually exclusive" is likewise absurd.  Divine intervention at the beginning (or otherwise) does not detract from materialism afterward.  The polling data show that many YECs are very materialistic in their outlook, as are even more non-YECs.

:: The claim that YEC and materialism are "mutually exclusive" is likewise absurd.  Divine intervention at the beginning (or otherwise) does not detract from materialism afterward.  The polling data show that many YECs are very materialistic in their outlook, as are even more non-YECs. --[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:: I'm only familiar with "materialism" re. philosophy.  What are materialist positions on gun control and wealth redistribution? [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 11:35, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:: I'm only familiar with "materialism" re. philosophy.  What are materialist positions on gun control and wealth redistribution? [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 11:35, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::: Thanks, though, for implicitly acknowledging that YEC and materialistic viewpoints are contradictory by inventing a contrived explanation to claim that they are not.  Materialistic views do ''not'' allow for the supernatural at any time.  Yes, there are some who believe that God started things off but then left them on their own (''almost'' a "materialism afterward" position), but these people are Deists, not YECs.

::: Thanks, though, for implicitly acknowledging that YEC and materialistic viewpoints are contradictory by inventing a contrived explanation to claim that they are not.  Materialistic views do ''not'' allow for the supernatural at any time.  Yes, there are some who believe that God started things off but then left them on their own (''almost'' a "materialism afterward" position), but these people are Deists, not YECs.

::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:25, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:25, 14 January 2009 (EST)

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==

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