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Oh give me a break, you can be conservative all you want but that doesn't mean anti-Islam, pro-Christian, all the people editing religious articles are HEAVILY biased. Leave it to people who actually know about Muhammad not people that hate him, it just makes no sense at all. No ones telling you to like him, have some common decency, and respect. If you want to make a claim prove it, don't be a moron.
Oh give me a break, you can be conservative all you want but that doesn't mean anti-Islam, pro-Christian, all the people editing religious articles are HEAVILY biased. Leave it to people who actually know about Muhammad not people that hate him, it just makes no sense at all. No ones telling you to like him, have some common decency, and respect. If you want to make a claim prove it, don't be a moron.
:So... what should we do about the bit regarding Archangel Gabriel? I find it unlikely that the guy who gave Mary the news that God chose her to be impregnated with His son Jesus Christ would just defect to Satan's side, and the article does mention that Gabriel played some role in Mohammad founding Islam. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 19:44, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
::The problem is that Muhammad claimed to be serving the same God as Christians and Jews. We know that he was not, but Satan presumably impersonated Gabriel. So, if this page is to be written objectively as "He believed that..." then we should mention that (he believed) Gabriel directed him as already stated. However, we caould also write it subjectively as "Although this contradicts the Bible, he claimed that..."
::I don't know which option is better for sure, but I would probably mention that his teachings did go against the Bible, even though he claims to server the God therein. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 20:18, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
:::Eh, we probably should reword it. Quite frankly, though, I personally think God dropped the ball there, especially in light of Jesus's victory. God really should have interfered, like, I don't know, have the actual Gabriel interfere, or even blow up the fake Gabriel in front of Mohammad and essentially tell him that was a fake and forget about what he said. Had it been me in God's position, I'd make sure there's absolutely NOTHING taking away my victory over Satan, and even go as far as to have Jesus outright murder Satan during his three-day death and leave Satan permanently dead, to ensure no one can ever escape my rule again. In fact, also make sure that Jesus, when he kills Satan for good during that time, does it like Vegeta did with Jeice here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKAqrzhZxs]. That's what I would have done, and probably take away free will as soon as Jesus rose from the dead specifically to end sin then and there. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:29, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
::::That would certainly be the efficient way...
::::Strange as it may seem, though, Satan seems to be an integral part to God's plan. If you think about it, God created Satan, knowing that he would fall. Also, as we see in Job, Satan apparently needs to ask permission from God do do things. Why God permits him to do so much I don't really know, but it's a part of His plan. If nothing else, Satan separates the wheat from the chaff, and in some cases, drives people to Christ. Some day, I trust we'll know.
::::Anyway, I'd say that you might as well go ahead and give this page a try then. I'm sure you'll hear about it if anyone objects! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 20:36, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::Already altered it. Don't know what else I need to do with the page, though.
:::::So, in other words, God's just like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrVThXFnE1s the] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA Patriots] from Metal Gear Solid 2, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3OXs_5AD2A Gale][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CfTgMXuxM nth] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAmhH-IDB9s Dysley] from Final Fantasy XIII, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3OXs_5AD2A the Architect] from the Matrix Reloaded? That... really doesn't give me even a remotely good image of God, unfortunately. I've already got a warped impression of God ever since I accidentally saw the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark as a small boy, those sources already made my views on God worse, even when I tried to reconcile Christianity with that and ignored those sources, and as you can pretty much guess from those videos, they were depicted in a very negative, almost evil light. The fact that at least one sermon from Christianity, Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God, actually ultimately depicted God in a similar maniacal light doesn't help matters either. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:46, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::Some theologians seem to have all the answers (whether right or not) but honstly, if I think it though too far, all I get is a headache. (Put simply, how can a perfect God create the devil and permit sin?) Many of the answers are out there, but at some point, it's my opinion that you need to trust in God, regardless of all that. We know He is good, faithful, loving, and merciful, and in a way, that's enough. In certain cases, I just opt to trust Him, and figure that some day, I will probably be able to ask Him. I will say that I think the idea of Him being like the "Architect" or other such evil geniuses is unfair to Him. His purposes may be beyond us, but if we are to be rules or in any position of authority in heaven, perhaps this all was needed to test us and prove that we are willing to let Him be the "boss" (Lord), and to trust in and obey Him. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 21:44, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Also, I forgot to mention it, but while Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God is a great book for convincing sinners of their guilt, it's exactly a daily devotional for every christian. It is written to convict, disarm, and drive to Christ those who are resisting. As the puritans would put it, it "shuts them up to God" (drives them to Him, leaving nowhere else for them to go). It is a great book, but try to remember that He is angry at those who have refused for their entire lifetime to repent. If you have repented, turned to Him, and trusted in Him for salvation, and are walking faithfully with Him, He is not this was towards you. He can certainly be angry, but He is slow to anger and abounding in love. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 23:07, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
== Jibril - Gabriel ==
[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] says,
:"So... what should we do about the bit regarding Archangel Gabriel? I find it unlikely that the guy who gave Mary the news that God chose her to be impregnated with His son Jesus Christ would just defect to Satan's side, and the article does mention that Gabriel played some role in Mohammad founding Islam."
I heartily agree with this objection. So I did something. "about the bit regarding Archangel Gabriel". I immediately revised the statement re Gabriel to a statement that Jibril is believed by many to be Gabriel, then added a fat ref note that Jibril is not the same being as Gabriel, and that if the Qur’an was indeed delivered by It to Muhammad It was lying. I also added several other links, including the fact that a [[falsehood]] believed to be true is not the same as a [[lie]] ''intended'' to [[Deceit|deceive]]. That means that if Muhammad saw and heard Jibril, he was lied to and thought it was the truth. An example of [[specious reasoning]]. He was taken in by a lying spirit. However, I believe it far more likely that Muhammad made the whole thing up, and showed himself to be a master of [[Demagogue|demogoguery]] and [[rhetoric]]. "A tree is known by its fruit" and [[Wahhabism]] is the perfect fruit of Muhammad's tree. <br>''Peace be with you'' Semper Fi. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 04:48, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
==Muhammad a racist==
For the claim that Muhammad is a racist, we will need an in-text citation from the Koran. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:22, 22 May 2021 (EDT)