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Talk:Essay:Best New Conservative Words (view source)
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, 01:43, March 9, 2010→How are these words conservative?: As to "self-defense", conservatives support self-defense rather than gun control; liberals support gun control rather than self-defense. Whatever you may claim
:::::It seems like your argument for "volunteer" and "self-defense" is that correlation implies causation, and conservatism therefore causes those behaviours. I'm sure you're probably right that conservatives engage in them more than liberals, but that doesn't make them "conservative actions." I know lots of conservatives that don't volunteer their time anywhere, and I know many liberals (myself included) that do. The act itself isn't political. We do it because we care about others, just as you do. It's silly to imply that liberals don't care for those less fortunate, and in the same breath mock liberal politicians for overspending to try and help those same individuals. It's a poor attempt to shift the argument from what it really is (a debate about the practical solutions to real problems) to a slander of a straw man enemy. If you're going to embrace the positive traits that correlate with conservatism, you're forced to accept the negative ones as well, such as closed-mindedness, fear of loss and death, and avoidance of complexity (references upon request).[[User:Insufficient|Insufficient]] 14:23, 8 March 2010 (EST)
:::::It seems like your argument for "volunteer" and "self-defense" is that correlation implies causation, and conservatism therefore causes those behaviours. I'm sure you're probably right that conservatives engage in them more than liberals, but that doesn't make them "conservative actions." I know lots of conservatives that don't volunteer their time anywhere, and I know many liberals (myself included) that do. The act itself isn't political. We do it because we care about others, just as you do. It's silly to imply that liberals don't care for those less fortunate, and in the same breath mock liberal politicians for overspending to try and help those same individuals. It's a poor attempt to shift the argument from what it really is (a debate about the practical solutions to real problems) to a slander of a straw man enemy. If you're going to embrace the positive traits that correlate with conservatism, you're forced to accept the negative ones as well, such as closed-mindedness, fear of loss and death, and avoidance of complexity (references upon request).[[User:Insufficient|Insufficient]] 14:23, 8 March 2010 (EST)
::::::"Insufficient", conservatives support charity and volunteering as solutions to problems; liberals support the opposite: tax and spend. As to "self-defense", conservatives support self-defense rather than gun control; liberals support gun control rather than self-defense. Whatever you may claim as anecdotal evidence, conservatives are more charitable than liberals. Take a look at Canada as it has become more liberal.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:43, 8 March 2010 (EST)
:::::''But as to the examples you've disputed, if I did a search on Supreme Court opinions and found that conservative Justices used those words more often than liberal Justices do, then you would you concede that they belong on the list?''
:::::''But as to the examples you've disputed, if I did a search on Supreme Court opinions and found that conservative Justices used those words more often than liberal Justices do, then you would you concede that they belong on the list?''